Coronavirus - Australia
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Updates from Victoria:
Exercising?
People who are isolating at home can no longer leave their property to exercise. Everyone else can use their one hour of exercise as normal.
Stiff shit if you can't get your exercise done within 5km and an hour. Otherwise people will die.
Childcare?
Dan Andrews will discuss childcare with the Prime Minister "It's not so much about whether it's a yes or no [in relation to childcare being open]," Mr Andrews said. "It's about trying to work out what will be the impact be. How many kids will be going to childcare? How many childcare workers will need to move around the community? How much movement will that add? How much will that undermine our general push to have as little movement as possible? "We'll get the clarity as quickly as we possibly can. We'll inform people and we'll try and make it as simple and as easy to understand as we possibly can."
Why do you need childcare if everyone has to stay at home ffs? Why should the country pay for your incompetence? Tax your own State.
Work permits?
Permit to be issued for workers who have to work past the 8:00pm curfew Mr Andrews said a permit would be issued for those who need to be out after 8:00pm from tomorrow. "It's a piece of paper. Your employer fills it out. They sign it. You sign it. You carry it with you and then you're able to demonstrate so there's not a sense of anxiety or a sense of having to tell your story 17 times. "If you're pulled up by police, you can simply provide that piece of paper and then you would be waved on to go about your business."
No loophole there. No sirree.
I'm pleasantly surprised they have allowed Racing to continue in Victoria.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Updates from Victoria:
Exercising?
People who are isolating at home can no longer leave their property to exercise. Everyone else can use their one hour of exercise as normal.
Stiff shit if you can't get your exercise done within 5km and an hour. Otherwise people will die.
Childcare?
Dan Andrews will discuss childcare with the Prime Minister "It's not so much about whether it's a yes or no [in relation to childcare being open]," Mr Andrews said. "It's about trying to work out what will be the impact be. How many kids will be going to childcare? How many childcare workers will need to move around the community? How much movement will that add? How much will that undermine our general push to have as little movement as possible? "We'll get the clarity as quickly as we possibly can. We'll inform people and we'll try and make it as simple and as easy to understand as we possibly can."
Why do you need childcare if everyone has to stay at home ffs? Why should the country pay for your incompetence? Tax your own State.
Work permits?
Permit to be issued for workers who have to work past the 8:00pm curfew Mr Andrews said a permit would be issued for those who need to be out after 8:00pm from tomorrow. "It's a piece of paper. Your employer fills it out. They sign it. You sign it. You carry it with you and then you're able to demonstrate so there's not a sense of anxiety or a sense of having to tell your story 17 times. "If you're pulled up by police, you can simply provide that piece of paper and then you would be waved on to go about your business."
No loophole there. No sirree.
I'm pleasantly surprised they have allowed Racing to continue in Victoria.
Racing cannot be killed by conventional weapons
That said, we'll happily run the Cox Plate at Cannon Park
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Updates from Victoria:
Exercising?
People who are isolating at home can no longer leave their property to exercise. Everyone else can use their one hour of exercise as normal.
Stiff shit if you can't get your exercise done within 5km and an hour. Otherwise people will die.
Childcare?
Dan Andrews will discuss childcare with the Prime Minister "It's not so much about whether it's a yes or no [in relation to childcare being open]," Mr Andrews said. "It's about trying to work out what will be the impact be. How many kids will be going to childcare? How many childcare workers will need to move around the community? How much movement will that add? How much will that undermine our general push to have as little movement as possible? "We'll get the clarity as quickly as we possibly can. We'll inform people and we'll try and make it as simple and as easy to understand as we possibly can."
Why do you need childcare if everyone has to stay at home ffs? Why should the country pay for your incompetence? Tax your own State.
Work permits?
Permit to be issued for workers who have to work past the 8:00pm curfew Mr Andrews said a permit would be issued for those who need to be out after 8:00pm from tomorrow. "It's a piece of paper. Your employer fills it out. They sign it. You sign it. You carry it with you and then you're able to demonstrate so there's not a sense of anxiety or a sense of having to tell your story 17 times. "If you're pulled up by police, you can simply provide that piece of paper and then you would be waved on to go about your business."
No loophole there. No sirree.
I'm pleasantly surprised they have allowed Racing to continue in Victoria.
Racing cannot be killed by conventional weapons
That said, we'll happily run the Cox Plate at Cannon Park
and we (Polsy) will travel.... (Dreams are very free on my part)
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I'm pleasantly surprised they have allowed Racing to continue in Victoria.
Their network must be amazing.
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@antipodean long may we play
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I'm pleasantly surprised they have allowed Racing to continue in Victoria.
Their network must be amazing.
Yes, well, whether it lasts or not is another thing.
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Sweden's approach with a bit more attention to protecting those in rest-homes, is looking smarter by the day. What an absolute clusterfuck.
The govt should be publishing metrics others than Covid cases.
Jobs lost, mental health calls, domestic abuse etc.Are you just going to keep posting that with the attached asterisk around deaths in rest homes in post after post?
Huh?
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Sweden's approach with a bit more attention to protecting those in rest-homes, is looking smarter by the day. What an absolute clusterfuck.
The govt should be publishing metrics others than Covid cases.
Jobs lost, mental health calls, domestic abuse etc.Are you just going to keep posting that with the attached asterisk around deaths in rest homes in post after post?
Huh?
First time I have mentioned it.Hmmm, I guess must have conflated you with another poster, my bad.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The govt should be publishing metrics others than Covid cases.
Jobs lost, mental health calls, domestic abuse etc.And in Australia they certainly publish stats on all of those things. Most countries do.
Should have made myself clearer.
I know these are already published.I meant publish all figures that affect us in one document.
So today there were x number of Covid cases, x increase in unemployment claims, x number of businesses filed for bankruptcy, x increase in mental health call-outs etc.Covid is not simply about people getting sick.
I think it would give everyone a more complete picture and promote more informed discussion.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The govt should be publishing metrics others than Covid cases.
Jobs lost, mental health calls, domestic abuse etc.And in Australia they certainly publish stats on all of those things. Most countries do.
Hard to accurately assess that, especially in the states, because schools are not open and no one wants to go to the ER due to fear of the Rona. A lot of reporting of child abuse comes from the schools.
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
x increase in unemployment claims, x number of businesses filed for bankruptcy, x increase in mental health call-outs
expect those ones have so many variables it would be difficult to quantify, I mean we already have some deaths attributed to Covid, when in reality a stiff southerly breeze would likely have had same end result with some.
Some businesses have used Covid as a reason to re-structure, whereas some (in NZ) that supposedly fell over in the first week of lockdown, were clearly in trouble anyway, but could attribute Covid to the final nail??
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
x increase in unemployment claims, x number of businesses filed for bankruptcy, x increase in mental health call-outs
expect those ones have so many variables it would be difficult to quantify, I mean we already have some deaths attributed to Covid, when in reality a stiff southerly breeze would likely have had same end result with some.
Some businesses have used Covid as a reason to re-structure, whereas some (in NZ) that supposedly fell over in the first week of lockdown, were clearly in trouble anyway, but could attribute Covid to the final nail??
True.And I think the Covid numbers are being inflated in some cases for political gain or the securing of more funding. But I am saying also publish jobs lost, bankruptcy filings. Those are quantifiable. Much more so than whether or not someone's death was caused by Covid.
I worry that the damage being done to economies will not be repairable for a long time.
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
True.And I think the Covid numbers are being inflated in some cases for political gain or the securing of more funding. But I am saying also publish jobs lost, bankruptcy filings. Those are quantifiable. Much more so than whether or not someone's death was caused by Covid.
The issue is we've kicked that can down the road. Once legal protection from trading insolvent disappears, we'll see a heap of businesses winding up. Same with personal bankruptcies as newly unemployed people realise they've just been given a repayment grace period but their loan is still accumulating interest.
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But those statistics are just as misleading as deaths. Some old bloke riddled with chronic illness is as much a Covid death as a business well in the red to begin with is a Covid bankrupcy.
Unemployment and underemployment figures are the most reliable macro indicators I'd think.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
But those statistics are just as misleading as deaths. Some old bloke riddled with chronic illness is as much a Covid death as a business well in the red to begin with is a Covid bankrupcy.
Unemployment and underemployment figures are the most reliable macro indicators I'd think.
But even those are affected by JobKeeper.
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@antipodean Yes, but Jobkeeper numbers are public, plus I seem to recall Morrison citing unemployment figures including jobkeeper (13% from memory).
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean Yes, but Jobkeeper numbers are public, plus I seem to recall Morrison citing unemployment figures including jobkeeper (13% from memory).
There’s an official unemployment rate based on the ABS labour force collection (currently 7.5%) and then there’s an “effective unemployment rate” that accounts for those officially unemployed plus the increase in those that are not in the labour force as a result of COVID (estimated around 11.5% - 12%).
There’s some other data that show a bit more of a real time picture that the ABS are releasing more frequently than the monthly labour force data that shows PAYG tax withheld which shows how many workers are having income tax paid etc.
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Queensland to close borders to NSW and ACT as state records another coronavirus case
Queensland will close its border to all of New South Wales and the ACT from 1:00am on Saturday.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Queensland to close borders to NSW and ACT as state records another coronavirus case
Queensland will close its border to all of New South Wales and the ACT from 1:00am on Saturday.
I'm shocked
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"it's to protect the Qld economy". Not sure she understands how these things work.