Coronavirus - Australia
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
And those that have spread this thing, those that have tested positive and still gone out are blameless?
No no no no no!!! We always blame the government* when our rights are under threat, and NEVER the individuals who decided to fuck up everyone else's rights by asserting their selfish individual bullshit.
*Unless it's a government we like.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Why not protect the vulnerable and let the rest get on with their life
Are you about to quote the Swedish experience?
No. The Swedes didn't protect the vulnerable.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
No no no no no!!! We always blame the government* when our rights are under threat,
Because its the Govt that take away our rights. And use any excuse to do it
and NEVER the individuals who decided to fuck up everyone else's rights by asserting their selfish individual bullshit.
Its not bullshit, Its what has made the West a great place to live.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
And those that have spread this thing, those that have tested positive and still gone out are blameless?
No no no no no!!! We always blame the government* when our rights are under threat, and NEVER the individuals who decided to fuck up everyone else's rights by asserting their selfish individual bullshit.
*Unless it's a government we like.
It's the government's fault there's community transmission in Victoria.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
And those that have spread this thing, those that have tested positive and still gone out are blameless?
No no no no no!!! We always blame the government* when our rights are under threat, and NEVER the individuals who decided to fuck up everyone else's rights by asserting their selfish individual bullshit.
*Unless it's a government we like.
It's the government's fault there's community transmission in Victoria.
SOLELY the government's fault? Just so we are clear.
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So...we want the government to be completely responsible for everyone’s actions...but without exerting any control over the populous....got it
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
And those that have spread this thing, those that have tested positive and still gone out are blameless?
No no no no no!!! We always blame the government* when our rights are under threat, and NEVER the individuals who decided to fuck up everyone else's rights by asserting their selfish individual bullshit.
*Unless it's a government we like.
It's the government's fault there's community transmission in Victoria.
SOLELY the government's fault? Just so we are clear.
Only one government in Australia incompetently managed the quarantine process permitting people to spread the virus. Blaming people for spreading it is ignoring the elephant in the room: They were able to because untrained, low paid security guards were responsible for administering quarantine.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
So are you and your contacts OK with this (surely it must be an exaggeration)
They're not thrilled with it, but a lot of the people I know in Melbourne are not pointing the finger at the government alone.
Society - and our legal system - operates on the lowest common denominator, and a small percentage of people aren't acting like responsible adults. If fines, curfews, and limited movement is the price to pay for 4 weeks then the people I know are prepared to deal with it.
Maybe the should be. Its a heavy handed approach that very likely won't work. And this
All because 147 people died in the state of Victoria (total population is 6.359 million), almost all of the deaths are over 70 with comorbidities, same as everywhere else in the world.
Why not protect the vulnerable and let the rest get on with their life
I've asked you before @Winger : how do you "protect the vulnerable"?
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Why can't ( or don't) people lockdown properly?
"Because they're stupid and or selfish" is a pretty superficial explanation.
Why are they so seemingly stupid and selfish?
How would have societies in the previous 4 decades reacted to lockdown? More conformity or less? I don't know.
I think the actual causes of this " disobedience " aren't being examined in any depth.
Could be, and probably is a myriad of factors:
No confidence in authorities
Simple narcissism
Conflicting information and misinformation from the media
The lockdown rules just simply are inappropriate for living communities (animals confined to cages behave abnormally too)
Have we bred this nonconformity and "rules don't apply to me" attitude with 2 decades of " your unique. Your special. Don't let society judge you" messaging we've given our youth?
A perception that the existential threat is not evidentThere's a lot of harm being realised in these strict lockdowns and I wonder if we haven't all misjudged the current psyche of the community and are holding them to a bygone era of nationalism and common solidarity. Like a teacher using the wrong methods to teach an unruly classroom, are we sure these tactics fit the purpose - because the financial and social bills are piling up while we flounder. Are we actually "playing what's in front of us" or simply using outdated tools and methods.
I don't know the answer, except herd immunity which is also perilous, but it's bloody depressing watching the Vic slow motion trainwreck everyday for the next 6 weeks.
Maybe this lockdown thing simply isn't possible to carry out with any degree of acceptable efficacy?
Surely everyone outside of Victoria senses their lockdown again time isnt far off.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Only one government in Australia incompetently managed the quarantine process permitting people to spread the virus. Blaming people for spreading it is ignoring the elephant in the room: They were able to because untrained, low paid security guards were responsible for administering quarantine.
Which is to ignore completely ignore the Ruby Process fiasco, and the Aspen Assholes Rich Persons Group. Who are still touring btw
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
So are you and your contacts OK with this (surely it must be an exaggeration)
They're not thrilled with it, but a lot of the people I know in Melbourne are not pointing the finger at the government alone.
Society - and our legal system - operates on the lowest common denominator, and a small percentage of people aren't acting like responsible adults. If fines, curfews, and limited movement is the price to pay for 4 weeks then the people I know are prepared to deal with it.
Maybe the should be. Its a heavy handed approach that very likely won't work. And this
All because 147 people died in the state of Victoria (total population is 6.359 million), almost all of the deaths are over 70 with comorbidities, same as everywhere else in the world.
Why not protect the vulnerable and let the rest get on with their life
I've asked you before @Winger : how do you "protect the vulnerable"?
One example. Ive a mate in the UK who has a weak immune system. He stayed at home and had his food delivered. This is one example. Another was an older friend who was healthy who just took extra steps. Like social distancing (they went out walking but avoided people) food delivered or if visiting a shop wearing masks in the shop.
But the onus would be on the vulnerable to take the needed steps. They would be given advise to follow to protect themselves and all the assistance they need.
Another step is temperature readers on public transport and shops
Re nursing homes etc. One step. Don't force nursing homes to take in sick people
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Only one government in Australia incompetently managed the quarantine process permitting people to spread the virus. Blaming people for spreading it is ignoring the elephant in the room: They were able to because untrained, low paid security guards were responsible for administering quarantine.
Which is to ignore completely ignore the Ruby Process fiasco, and the Aspen Assholes Rich Persons Group. Who are still touring btw
Seriously quoting the New Daily? Labor fluffers? The tracing conducted thus far and genomic fingerprinting all points back to the issues of untrained people running quarantine.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The lockdown rules just simply are inappropriate for living communities (animals confined to cages behave abnormally too)
Good post.
If 147,000 (including lots of healthy and all ages) had died then people would comply. But 147. This lock-down is totally over the top. I'm amazed there haven't been more non compliance.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The lockdown rules just simply are inappropriate for living communities (animals confined to cages behave abnormally too)
Good post.
If 147,000 (including lots of healthy and all ages) had died then people would comply. But 147. This lock-down is totally over the top. I'm amazed there haven't been more non compliance.
I hope you don't have elderly parents or other relatives or friends of advancing age, because you seem to have a laissez-faire attitude towards their welfare in the face of covid19
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@canefan is the guilt trip really necessary? It's ssooo March 2020!🙂
Elderley loved ones are always a dreadful telephone call or a serious medical diagnosis away at anytime. If you don't understand that, you simply haven't lived long enough.
Fact of life
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The lockdown rules just simply are inappropriate for living communities (animals confined to cages behave abnormally too)
Good post.
If 147,000 (including lots of healthy and all ages) had died then people would comply. But 147. This lock-down is totally over the top. I'm amazed there haven't been more non compliance.
I hope you don't have elderly parents or other relatives or friends of advancing age, because you seem to have a laissez-faire attitude towards their welfare in the face of covid19
Im not young myself. And I certainly don't want young people lives to be f++ked up to (somehow) protect me. Its up to me to look after myself. To hell with this greater good nonsense. It just gives an excuse for nanny state control freak leaders to destroy everything. Including having fun.
These types of leaders will remove all our rights and freedoms, destroy the economy, fine people for minor infractions then lock people up etc. And then clamp down totally on our rights like free speech as things slowly go to hell, If we let them.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The tracing conducted thus far and genomic fingerprinting all points back to the issues of untrained people running quarantine.
You said - and I quote:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Only one government in Australia incompetently managed the quarantine process permitting people to spread the virus
So. Ruby Princess.
"Only one government"
Your move, Baron.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The tracing conducted thus far and genomic fingerprinting all points back to the issues of untrained people running quarantine.
You said - and I quote:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Only one government in Australia incompetently managed the quarantine process permitting people to spread the virus
So. Ruby Princess.
"Only one government"
Your move, Baron.
Your evidence of uncontrolled community transmission from the Ruby Princess?
Your move Winger.