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@JC said in US Politics:
I don’t know how it is that otherwise smart people continue to accept the narrative that Trump is some kind of genius based solely on the evidence of him telling them so
Don't think many smart people believe Trump's a genius.
But they may rightly think his opponents are equally stupid - or worse.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
I read that this all came about from an internal battle within the organization, and one side got the authorities involved.
Timing is shit though.
But oh, so Democrat.
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Excellent point.
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Some anti Trump stuff in here that isn't needed, especially as they are basically making a populist argument (which is really what got trump elected), but the Mabo of the piece is worse considering.
During our lives, we are likely to see world power change from the USA to China - for better or (far more likely) worse.
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I spend a bit of time on Twitter and follow people from the far left to the far right.
All of the people I would consider far left SJWs/Socialists/Communists absolutely despise Biden and his policies. They don't see him as left wing at all, but more just a continuation of what has come before.
Biden's problem isn't that he's too far left, it's that he rambles, often incoherently. That doesn't seem to be a new thing though - this from 2009:
Frankly I'm astounded that he got the nod. I assume they are hoping his time with Obama will make people think he's got the experience for the job, but man he's already giving Trump and co so much ammunition. And he doesn't seem particularly apt at giving back as good as he's getting, so it's going to get pretty ugly for him.
I really have no idea who's going to win this election though. I would have said Trump at the start of the year, but his handling of Covid and the race tensions this year have been an absolute clusterfuck, to the point that I have seen a lot of pretty diehard Trump supporters wake up to his bullshit and turn against him.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
However I would also expect that most leaders, no matter their politics or how useless, would step up for the good of all in a crisis. Trump has almost done the opposite
To be fair, other leaders dealing with Coronavirus haven't had their political opponents deliberately undermining their efforts to contain the spread of the virus.
Whether it was Pelosi's opposition to restricting travel from China or Bill di Blasio telling people to ignore the warnings and carry on as normal as Covid-19 wasn't a big deal, the Democrats have contributed equally to the mess.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
However I would also expect that most leaders, no matter their politics or how useless, would step up for the good of all in a crisis. Trump has almost done the opposite
To be fair, other leaders dealing with Coronavirus haven't had their political opponents deliberately undermining their efforts to contain the spread of the virus.
Whether it was Pelosi's opposition to restricting travel from China or Bill di Blasio telling people to ignore the warnings and carry on as normal as Covid-19 wasn't a big deal, the Democrats have contributed equally to the mess.
Contributed, yes. Equally, no.
Trump has had endless opportunities to show solid leadership during this crisis and, apart from odd moments of lucidity, has gone out of his way to try and turn it into a political event.
Most countries made mistakes at the beginning while trying to grasp with how this should work. The UK dithered, NZ was weak at the border...
The China ban situation could well be argued as being classic boy who cried wolf stuff with Trump looking for any opportunity to throw around anti-china messages. Dems got that one wrong.
However the litany of spread tweets, the messages that it will go away, the failure to understand that federal actions in times like this are just what the point of federal govt is, the appointment of his unqualified son in law (with a track record of failure) to oversee a task force, the ridiculing of any Dem governor trying to take action etc etc all fall on Trump.
He is the one that should have stepped up, got everyone in a room and listened to the experts on ways to control spread and then negotiated bi-partisan actions.
It still amazes me how some are quick to forgive Trumps own actions because they can throw a little blame around elsewhere.
No matter what the opposition is, he is the still a narcissist, nepotist, pocket lining corrupt idiot and some are happy with that because he 'isn't PC'.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
He is the one that should have stepped up, got everyone in a room and listened to the experts on ways to control spread and then negotiated bi-partisan actions.
When he did exactly what you suggested on an economic package, the Democrats refused to let the the measure pass until any and only businesses owned by Trump or his family were excluded.
Childish, petulant, political tantrums in a time of national emergency.
It still amazes me how some are quick to forgive Trumps own actions because they can throw a little blame around elsewhere.
Only if you believe criticising anyone who opposes Trump is somehow an endorsement of him.
No matter what the opposition is, he is the still a narcissist, nepotist, pocket lining corrupt idiot and some are happy with that because he 'isn't PC'.
Baffling.Not baffling when you look at the quality of his opponents and their views on their fellow citizens who don't vote for them.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
He is the one that should have stepped up, got everyone in a room and listened to the experts on ways to control spread and then negotiated bi-partisan actions.
Impossible with the way the Democrats are now. They are a party of crazies. Starting at the very top with Joe where am I Biden and Pelosi
And the so called leading experts like Fauci haven't really helped
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@Siam said in US Politics:
Sorry lads, didn't mean to impinge upon your rights to free speech, no offence intended just wondering if we could advance the conversation as to the future of our mates in the USA.
Again, I haven't seen an upside to anyone but trump which must be very concerning to our equivalents in the land of the free.
Nah, bugger that @Siam nothing to apologise for. That’s just what debate is. You have an expectation, we push back, we find a middle ground. Or we don’t.
Either way if we were applying the Fern pub rules, you’d still be part of the next round. Which right now is a surprisingly pleasant Moa West Coast Black Beer. Pretends it’s a stout, behaves like a lager.
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Problem with Trump over Covid & BLM (and in general) is rather than being a leader who leads and trying to unite his country, he continues his divisive language and actions, pushing a wedge between factions.
Yes others around do thier best to undermine him also, but the problem is, he has laid the foundation for people to do this to him since before he even took office.
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Here’s an interesting summation of Trumps tenure from a group of Ohio Republicans setting out to promote Reps there to vote against him this time.
*In 2016, many of us who wanted change in the White House took a chance on Donald Trump. We thought he’d lead as a conservative Republican. Instead, he has imperiled our republic.
We are alarmed by the anti-democratic tactics and flagrant abuse of power committed daily by Donald Trump. His actions are an affront to our Constitution and the Republican Party. Our 18th president, Ohio’s Ulysses S. Grant, called his failures "errors in judgment, not intent."
In 2016, many Ohio voters put their faith in Donald Trump, us included. That was an error of judgment, not intent. For these reasons, we’re joining with other Republicans in this state to vote against President Trump this November.
He has created a culture of fear within the Republican Party as well as across the country, demonizing anyone with differing opinions. He belittles, berates, and ruins the careers of all who oppose him — including his own appointed government agency heads, respected military leaders and war heroes.
He has undermined the rule of law, obstructed justice, and issued pardons and commutations to personal cronies who helped cover up his misdeeds.
He has demonstrated gross incompetence during the COVID-19 pandemic, causing needless suffering and death.
He has run up a $2.7 trillion budget deficit, $1 trillion of which occurred before the pandemic unfolded.
He has, as the late Sen. John McCain put it, "abased himself ... before a tyrant," referring to Trump’s refusal to stand up to Russian President Vladimir Putin and protect our elections from foreign interference.
He has turned his back on our NATO allies we have embraced for 75 years.*
Just one group, but if that is an indication of how many conservative Reps are thinking then Trump will be relying on his “non-middle” supporters come election time.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
Here’s an interesting summation of Trumps tenure from a group of Ohio Republicans setting out to promote Reps there to vote against him this time.
*In 2016, many of us who wanted change in the White House took a chance on Donald Trump. We thought he’d lead as a conservative Republican. Instead, he has imperiled our republic.
We are alarmed by the anti-democratic tactics and flagrant abuse of power committed daily by Donald Trump. His actions are an affront to our Constitution and the Republican Party. Our 18th president, Ohio’s Ulysses S. Grant, called his failures "errors in judgment, not intent."
In 2016, many Ohio voters put their faith in Donald Trump, us included. That was an error of judgment, not intent. For these reasons, we’re joining with other Republicans in this state to vote against President Trump this November.
He has created a culture of fear within the Republican Party as well as across the country, demonizing anyone with differing opinions. He belittles, berates, and ruins the careers of all who oppose him — including his own appointed government agency heads, respected military leaders and war heroes.
He has undermined the rule of law, obstructed justice, and issued pardons and commutations to personal cronies who helped cover up his misdeeds.
He has demonstrated gross incompetence during the COVID-19 pandemic, causing needless suffering and death.
He has run up a $2.7 trillion budget deficit, $1 trillion of which occurred before the pandemic unfolded.
He has, as the late Sen. John McCain put it, "abased himself ... before a tyrant," referring to Trump’s refusal to stand up to Russian President Vladimir Putin and protect our elections from foreign interference.
He has turned his back on our NATO allies we have embraced for 75 years.*
Just one group, but if that is an indication of how many conservative Reps are thinking then Trump will be relying on his “non-middle” supporters come election time.
The issue with this nonsense. Is most voters that will vote Trump know it is just that. For example lots of Rupublican's were anti Trump in 2016
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@Crucial are they getting any kind of traction?
No idea. Hard to tell how much of these things are small vocal groups or the mouthpiece of a groundswell.
Anecdotally I know lifelong republicans that would confer with much of what that group wrote. They don’t think that Trump has been good for the party and dislike where he is taking things.
If the likes of the Lincoln Project and this Ohio group are the result of a silent but large moderate republican base then it makes things interesting.
Aside from that though, this election won’t be remembered by the numbers alone but by the attempts to de-legitimise the outcome whether due to postal votes or voting locations.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Here’s an interesting summation of Trumps tenure from a group of Ohio Republicans setting out to promote Reps there to vote against him this time.
*In 2016, many of us who wanted change in the White House took a chance on Donald Trump. We thought he’d lead as a conservative Republican. Instead, he has imperiled our republic.
We are alarmed by the anti-democratic tactics and flagrant abuse of power committed daily by Donald Trump. His actions are an affront to our Constitution and the Republican Party. Our 18th president, Ohio’s Ulysses S. Grant, called his failures "errors in judgment, not intent."
In 2016, many Ohio voters put their faith in Donald Trump, us included. That was an error of judgment, not intent. For these reasons, we’re joining with other Republicans in this state to vote against President Trump this November.
He has created a culture of fear within the Republican Party as well as across the country, demonizing anyone with differing opinions. He belittles, berates, and ruins the careers of all who oppose him — including his own appointed government agency heads, respected military leaders and war heroes.
He has undermined the rule of law, obstructed justice, and issued pardons and commutations to personal cronies who helped cover up his misdeeds.
He has demonstrated gross incompetence during the COVID-19 pandemic, causing needless suffering and death.
He has run up a $2.7 trillion budget deficit, $1 trillion of which occurred before the pandemic unfolded.
He has, as the late Sen. John McCain put it, "abased himself ... before a tyrant," referring to Trump’s refusal to stand up to Russian President Vladimir Putin and protect our elections from foreign interference.
He has turned his back on our NATO allies we have embraced for 75 years.*
Just one group, but if that is an indication of how many conservative Reps are thinking then Trump will be relying on his “non-middle” supporters come election time.
The issue with this nonsense. Is most voters that will vote Trump know it is just that
Eh?
This is talking about voters that should vote republican but won’t be. Trumps fans aren’t in question. A possibly large portion that voted for him last time but won’t do so again are the interesting sector. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Here’s an interesting summation of Trumps tenure from a group of Ohio Republicans setting out to promote Reps there to vote against him this time.
*In 2016, many of us who wanted change in the White House took a chance on Donald Trump. We thought he’d lead as a conservative Republican. Instead, he has imperiled our republic.
We are alarmed by the anti-democratic tactics and flagrant abuse of power committed daily by Donald Trump. His actions are an affront to our Constitution and the Republican Party. Our 18th president, Ohio’s Ulysses S. Grant, called his failures "errors in judgment, not intent."
In 2016, many Ohio voters put their faith in Donald Trump, us included. That was an error of judgment, not intent. For these reasons, we’re joining with other Republicans in this state to vote against President Trump this November.
He has created a culture of fear within the Republican Party as well as across the country, demonizing anyone with differing opinions. He belittles, berates, and ruins the careers of all who oppose him — including his own appointed government agency heads, respected military leaders and war heroes.
He has undermined the rule of law, obstructed justice, and issued pardons and commutations to personal cronies who helped cover up his misdeeds.
He has demonstrated gross incompetence during the COVID-19 pandemic, causing needless suffering and death.
He has run up a $2.7 trillion budget deficit, $1 trillion of which occurred before the pandemic unfolded.
He has, as the late Sen. John McCain put it, "abased himself ... before a tyrant," referring to Trump’s refusal to stand up to Russian President Vladimir Putin and protect our elections from foreign interference.
He has turned his back on our NATO allies we have embraced for 75 years.*
Just one group, but if that is an indication of how many conservative Reps are thinking then Trump will be relying on his “non-middle” supporters come election time.
The issue with this nonsense. Is most voters that will vote Trump know it is just that
Eh?
This is talking about voters that should vote republican but won’t be. Trumps fans aren’t in question. A possibly large portion that voted for him last time but won’t do so again are the interesting sector.Here's another viewpoint on how Trump is doing. My view is he's making the Democrats look terrible. And of course some Republican's who would be more at home in the Democratic party will be upset. But posting silly nonsense will not help their cause
Even people who aren’t huge Trump fans were impressed. Paul Mirengoff, who can’t warm up to Trump but knows he’s better than Biden, called Trump’s actions on Saturday a “political masterstroke.” While Mirengoff is concerned, as everyone should be, about executive overreach (something at which Obama excelled), he recognizes the political strength behind Trump’s having emerged suddenly and overwhelmed the Democrats: [A]s a political matter, Trump’s move looks like a masterstroke. Since the days of FDR, the public has always seemed to approve of presidents who act to ameliorate suffering while Congress diddles. A flurry of activity, even of the futile or potentially counterproductive kind, makes a president look energetic and caring. People who underestimate Trump routinely do so at their peril. Everything he does is calculated, including tweets that send his political opponents scurrying around like cats chasing a light while he’s getting things done to help the American people.
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@Winger so you are still putting the house on a Trump landslide?
I’ll buy tickets in that one.
Thing is that I am reading the likes of what you just posted and weighing it up against other opinions and it just smacks of unqualified optimism at the moment.
As far as the EOs go, I don’t have a problem with the outcomes at all. Whether the desired effect of voters saying thanks Mr President happens will depend largely on whether the move is seen as cynical, whether it adds to more questions around his previous campaign promises and criticisms of the use of EOs, and whether it adds to the picture of a President that doesn’t respect the concept of the three branches of government.
The last point is quite important as those that understand their own system can often be those less vocal as they place trust in the checks and balances afforded by it. Chip away at those checks and balances (as Obama did) and that middle ground (the non-aligned is a sizeable proportion) will look to restore it.
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@booboo said in US Politics:
And the next President of the Youuu Nited States of Murka is ...
... Kamala Harris
Announced as Biden's running mate.
'Slow Joe and Phoney Kamala' is the tag assigned by the Trump campaign.
Good to see that the kiddies in the sandpit had their names already lined up.
Is there an adult in the house? Anywhere?
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