Coronavirus - New Zealand
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I know it's not the Fern way... but did anybody actually read anything about that contact-tracing card trial?
They're not proposing that it be compulsory... in fact, the whole point of the trial is to see how many people will actually bother taking them out'n'about. It's effectively a technical solution to just making the COVID-contact-tracing sign-ins/etc easier for people.
Sure - conspiracists can ask "but this is just the first step to it becoming compulsory..." - and sure, if you're a nutcase - it could be. But in reality it's just making an alternative to one/any/all of the OPTIONAL contact-tracing apps available, and one that doesn't require any manual step each time one goes anywhere. -
@Kruse said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I know it's not the Fern way... but did anybody actually read anything about that contact-tracing card trial?
They're not proposing that it be compulsory... in fact, the whole point of the trial is to see how many people will actually bother taking them out'n'about. It's effectively a technical solution to just making the COVID-contact-tracing sign-ins/etc easier for people.
Sure - conspiracists can ask "but this is just the first step to it becoming compulsory..." - and sure, if you're a nutcase - it could be. But in reality it's just making an alternative to one/any/all of the OPTIONAL contact-tracing apps available, and one that doesn't require any manual step each time one goes anywhere.Covid tracing apps/ cards requires the majority of the population otherwise it doesn't work, so opt-in trials are always predecessors to making something compulsory. If it doesn't work, they'll dump it and look for something with better efficacy.
If you have a range of tools, then to make them satisfactory, they require cross-referencing.
I've worked on enough government programmes to be aware of the capability to conduct data matching to be wary when it's an explicit aim to identify when, where and who you come into contact with.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I've been in the IT industry for near on 30 years.
You're older than I thought you were
I started when I was 17. Been working in IT for 30 years around October next year. Fuck.
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This conversation reminded me of this comic.
There are at least two people on this thread that have worked in this area and see where these things are headed/risks involved, so I bristle a bit at being labelled a conspiracy nut. One of the few things I know what I'm talking about
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This conversation reminded me of this comic.
There are at least two people on this thread that have worked in this area and see where these things are headed/risks involved, so I bristle a bit at being labelled a conspiracy nut. One of the few things I know what I'm talking about
I agree with that cartoon - except that I find the word "voting" to be redundant.
Software - all sorts of software - is developed by... developers. And they really are fucking terrible at what they do... or, rather, they're terrible at providing a reliable and fit-for-purpose product. They're great at what they actually do - which is provide cheap-as-possible shortcut-solutions to any narrowly-scoped requirement put in front of them.
I too, actually work in IT, and have done for longer than I'd like to admit.
But - the problem isn't IT, nor is it anything to do with software. (Or rather, the problem being discussed isn't)
As @antipodean mentions - yeah, if somebody wanted, with access to multiple data-sets, they could come up with some pretty scarily accurate tracing of people. Like... they could already do. And in the private sector - do, already do... and do, already, sell to other agencies.
I worked for NZ's DIA some time ago... and two things I found interesting. One - there was a system to cross-reference EVERYTHING to do with "things of interest"... ie: not just "persons of interest", but "vehicles of interest", "weapons OI", "properties OI", etc. And secondly - there was zero interfaces between multiple government departments, making any cross-referencing actually impossible. FFS - the Police computers didn't talk to the Prison systems , and neither had any interface with the Justice systems.
Just... I have a huge mistrust in government... but not in their intentions, rather their ability to follow through with any nefarious "let's check how many times TSF User#1 wanks" plans. -
OT but related to the recent discussion; IT is a terrible industry without peer in the modern era. A complete lack of professional standards and oversight. Certifications you can earn within a few days of paying for them. Halfwits certifying other halfwits. At least engineering, law and healthcare can prevent you working in them.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
At least engineering can prevent you working in them.
You should google John Scarry on Structural Engineering in NZ.
The quality is ... interesting (but more consistent than IT, I'll give you that)
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
OT but related to the recent discussion; IT is a terrible industry without peer in the modern era. A complete lack of professional standards and oversight. Certifications you can earn within a few days of paying for them. Halfwits certifying other halfwits. At least engineering, law and healthcare can prevent you working in them.
Terrifying when you consider how much we rely on it.Yep... I find the standard of people I work with horrifying at times. I've been working for banks for the last decade, and am honestly amazed there haven't been many many more public fuck-ups by the big banks.
And certifications... shit, when I see somebody WITH certifications in my area, I immediately lower my opinion/expectation of them.
Of course - I'm about to go work for the actual mother-company... the Big Bad "Man" which creates the product I'm specialised in... and I believe they're going to insist I go through all the certification bollocks, so that they can tell clients I've got all the right "badges".
The prick, in the interview, likened it to going to a doctor's and seeing their MD on the wall. Fuck off. I'm going to be working for the company which does the testing, does the "education", etc etc... and forced into recommending whatever products they deign sales-worthy at any point in time. I'm too drunk to create a doctor-simile, but... fuck off New Boss. -
Can't believe you lied about your age @taniwharugby
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12354972
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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern hopes a travel bubble with the Cooks Islands will be up and running before the end of this year.
Cabinet met this morning to discuss the draft agreement, which isn't far from completion.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says in the next 10 days, the agreement will be verified by officials.She says there's no timeframe for the travel bubble, but they expect it to be up and running by the end of the year.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern hopes a travel bubble with the Cooks Islands will be up and running before the end of this year.
Cabinet met this morning to discuss the draft agreement, which isn't far from completion.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says in the next 10 days, the agreement will be verified by officials.She says there's no timeframe for the travel bubble, but they expect it to be up and running by the end of the year.
Should bring in hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars.
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There's worse places to go on holidays to escape winter.
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mariner4life kicks his monitor over
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Fuck...cindy making some announcement t at 9.15pm...cant be good news
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You can't be serious