UFC / MMA

raznomore

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SimonAdd" data-cid="561476" data-time="1456617711">Michael Bisping has just beaten Anderson Silva. 
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The world has moved on and Anderson isn't the fighter he was. ClichÃ©d but true. 
In saying that I'm still shocked Bisping won. The count has always been solid but not on Silva's level. He just wanted it more I guess. He's not sporting the mug of a guy who's won though. He got munted right up. 
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Unco

Anderson's the Roy Jones Jr of MMA. His speed and accuracy made him the best in the world but he was always going to fall off pretty quickly once he got old and slowed down. Father Time never loses.
 
Oh and the failed drug tests.
 
Good for Bisping though. I always felt bad for the guy because he'd manage to build up a run for the title but lose at the very last hurdle. Hope he finally manages to get a title shot one of these days.

SimonAdd

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Unco" data-cid="561503" data-time="1456642114">Anderson's the Roy Jones Jr of MMA. His speed and accuracy made him the best in the world but he was always going to fall off pretty quickly once he got old and slowed down. Father Time never loses. 
Oh and the failed drug tests. 
Good for Bisping though. I always felt bad for the guy because he'd manage to build up a run for the title but lose at the very last hurdle. Hope he finally manages to get a title shot one of these days.</blockquote>
I'm not sure Anderson's speed and accuracy have gone anywhere - he looked plenty fast and accurate against both Bisping and Diaz. What has gone is his chin and his killer instinct. 
The way he went down in the second wasn't pretty; Bisping hit him with a couple of solid shots but they weren't haymakers by any means and The Count is notoriously pillow-fisted. Anderson in his youth would have eaten those like toffee. Instead, he was knocked down and in serious trouble - reminiscent of the knockdown from the clinch in the second Weidman fight. 
In the fourth round, Bisping came out visibly wobbled and was pretty much out on his feet. All Anderson had to do was swarm him at the beginning of the round and he would have knocked him out. Instead, he took 4 minutes off and let Bisping secure the winning round. 
Those things are bad signs, and should point that it's time to retire IMO. 
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MiketheSnow

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I'm not sure Anderson's speed and accuracy have gone anywhere - he looked plenty fast and accurate against both Bisping and Diaz. What has gone is his chin and his killer instinct. 
The way he went down in the second wasn't pretty; Bisping hit him with a couple of solid shots but they weren't haymakers by any means and The Count is notoriously pillow-fisted. Anderson in his youth would have eaten those like toffee. Instead, he was knocked down and in serious trouble - reminiscent of the knockdown from the clinch in the second Weidman fight. 
In the fourth round, Bisping came out visibly wobbled and was pretty much out on his feet. All Anderson had to do was swarm him at the beginning of the round and he would have knocked him out. Instead, he took 4 minutes off and let Bisping secure the winning round. 
Those things are bad signs, and should point that it's time to retire IMO. 
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Very good summary.
 
Wasted opportunity for Silva.
 
Some beautiful moves from Silva, but guts & go forward from Bisping.
 
Bisping's next career? Country & Western singer by the sounds of his post-fight interview ;)

Unco

HOLY SHIT!

canefan

Holm and O'Connor are one and done as champions

Unco

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Holm and O'Connor are one and done as champions
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No. [b]McGregor[/b]'s fight wasn't for the belt, seeing as it was in two weight classes above Featherweight, so he'll be fine. Can't see him going for the lightweight belt anytime soon though because if he couldn't beat Nate Diaz, he'll stand no chance against dos Anjos.
 
McGregor just tried way too much in the first round, so was pretty gassed going into the second round and Diaz capitalised. If he'd fought smarter, I think he would've won, but trying to go for the round one KO against someone in a higher weight class and with a good chin was dumb.
 
Holm/Tate, on the other hand, was an awesome fight. Holm dominated on the feet, Tate completely dominated on the ground. That rear naked choke in the fifth round was awesome. Sucks for Holm because he seems cool but I'm happy for Tate because she fought a really smart fight (unlike Ronda). Laughed at how pissed Dana was, what a dick.

MajorRage

UFC 196 showed me once again the unstoppable rise of the sport. Take me, as an example, didn't watch a single match of super rugby all weekend, but there was no way I was missing the 2 headline fights yesterday.
 
Holm losing to Tate is a bit of a blow to White for sure, as it takes the sting out of the Holm vs Rousey re-match. Rousey already beaten Tate twice, but this could open up an interesting 3-way tussle for the top spot over the next few months. The fight was ok, I wasn't as hyped about it as others, but the submission finish was pretty clinical.
 
McGregor vs Diaz was sensational. CMG was over confident, I'm not sure why, stepping up a couple of weight classes was always going to be tough. Diaz is hardly at the top of the tree, but he's tough as fuck, can take a punch and pretty technical with Jiu Jitsu. Round 1 was fascinating, as CMG was throwing out far too much, he's bloody quick,no doubt about it and you know if one oof his kicks connected to the head it was game over. But diaz rode his time, bounced around, kept him moving and did he best to stop the blood flow. The flush hit to CMG's chin, halfway through the second round changed it. You could see immediately that it properly hurt and that was it. Once he was on the ground he was toast. Totally awesome sport.

raznomore

I see Peter Williams has questioned the legitimacy of mma as a sport this morning. 
Too much blood for his liking. Football, rugby and boxing all have measures in place to limit the blood and mma celebrates it. Took a massive swipe at the US, thier gun laws and even NFL. Forgetting that Japan, Brazil, Many European countries and Australia all have huge mma bases. 
It does take some getting used to. I was not an instant fan the first time I saw it in a sports bar in Brisbane in the late 90s. But Williams has criticised this from the wrong angle. Just sounds like an old man scared of the future.

MajorRage

It's a sport that is always going to divide people as it's so barbaric by nature. Yes, the blood ain't necessarily a good look, but reality it's kind of one of those is what it is things.
 
The fighters want to fight, the fans want to watch it ... can you imagine the havoc the likes of Diaz would cause on the city streets instead?

Godder

IMO, the focus on submissions and ground fighting makes it safer than many sports - obviously there's a bit of striking of the head, but it's better than boxing or American Football because concussions are rarer, and they get time off if they get KO'd.

MiketheSnow

Two cracking contests.
 
The old saying still stands, 'a good big 'un will beat a good little one' 
McGregor very humble in defeat fair play.

TeWaio

The blood thing freaks me out too much to get into it, despite its obvious appeal. I'm not an old man (I'm <30), and I'm not squeamish about blood generally (I grew up on a pastoral farm).
 
It's just something about continuing to beat the p1ss out of a man/woman despite them being blood-spattered and/or unconscious that freaks me out.
 
At least in boxing, knock someone down -> first thing you do is retire to your corner.

Milk

I like UFC, but if there is one thing that makes me squirm, it's when they use elbows in the ground and pound.

MajorRage

I think there are things in UFC which will make everybody squeamish. But the appeal of the sport, is the limited rules, so pretty much so everything goes.
 
There is no beating up of anybody whose unconscious. Once they are out, it's over. Yes, they go in for the kill when somebody goes down, but thats no different to boxing when somebody continues to punch the hell out of somebody whose clearly done. There is always going to be time between knockout hit/punch and referee intervention.

Unco

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The blood thing freaks me out too much to get into it, despite its obvious appeal. I'm not an old man (I'm <30), and I'm not squeamish about blood generally (I grew up on a pastoral farm).
 
It's just something about continuing to beat the p1ss out of a man/woman despite them being blood-spattered and/or unconscious that freaks me out.
 
At least in boxing, knock someone down -> first thing you do is retire to your corner.
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Yeah, but you're retiring to your corner because the opponent is given a chance to recover and if they do, you continue punching them in the face. In MMA, fighters rush in to make sure the fight is done there and then, which can in the long run result in LESS impact to the head.
 
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I like UFC, but if there is one thing that makes me squirm, it's when they use elbows in the ground and pound.
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Elbows aren't that bad.
 
The only things that makes me squirm are 1) incompetent refs and 2) oblique kicks. Oblique kicks should absolutely be illegal, the only use to them is crippling opponents or creating space because your opponent is scared of being crippled. They're the worst.

TeWaio

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Yeah, but you're retiring to your corner because the opponent is given a chance to recover and if they do, you continue punching them in the face. In MMA, fighters rush in to make sure the fight is done there and then, which can in the long run result in LESS impact to the head.
 
 
Elbows aren't that bad.
 
The only things that makes me squirm are 1) incompetent refs and 2) oblique kicks. Oblique kicks should absolutely be illegal, the only use to them is crippling opponents or creating space because your opponent is scared of being crippled. They're the worst.
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That is a good point, I hadn't thought of it that way.
 
 
Dare I ask what an oblique kick is?

MiketheSnow

Straight kick - with the heel being the contact point - and/or side swipe kick - top of foot being the contact point - to an opponent's knee I think.

raznomore

Broken bones. Thats me. If something snaps im out. 
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Milk

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Unco" data-cid="563239" data-time="1457404365">
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Elbows aren't that bad.
 
The only things that makes me squirm are 1) incompetent refs and 2) oblique kicks. Oblique kicks should absolutely be illegal, the only use to them is crippling opponents or creating space because your opponent is scared of being crippled. They're the worst.
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Elbows during stand up are bad-ass, but when they are on the ground and the head has now where to go (no give) as it's pressed onto the canvas, it grosses me out.
 
Agree on the oblique kicks... you see a lot of them from Holly Holm and Jon Jones.

The Silver Fern

UFC / MMA