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Wow wee! What a last few days of releases!
Evidence of dodgy Biden deals for monetary gain. Ex business partner flipping sharing another huge tranche of emails confirming original accusations and the 'big guy' Joe Biden's involvement. Hunter now not only a degenerate crack-head but also implicated in potential possession of child-porn at best or at worst involved in such and potentially with a family member. Dem's and much MSM still crying "Muh russia!!!" despite authenticity of details now confirmed from multiple sources including the FBI. Other outlets simply choosing (NPR openly) not to cover this. Social media still suppressing news and banning those who discuss or share it (NYPost's twitter is still suspended, don't by Jack Dorsey's bullshit policy change), google employees now on hidden camera providing further confirmation of intentional election interference. Suggestions other Dem's implicated including "O" whomever that could possibly be.
I mean it's not as iron tight as WasPo or NYT's "anonymous sources say" or anything
Bring on the debate!
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@Rembrandt ah, the good old 'sources' at x, y, z have confirmed? links man, I want links
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@Paekakboyz Ha if you're seriously interested I'll put in the time to collate them
Debate was a huge improvement. Moderator was very good too. In my mind unlike the first one this was a clear win for Trump. Will it sway voters? Maybe. Biden for periods was stuttery and uncomfortable, Trump was on form and surprisingly precise. The laptop from hell was bought up multiple times, Biden naturally went to "Muh russian disinformation campaign!"..which I think even diehard liberals are a bit over now. Even with the suppression it won't take undecided voters long to find the contents of this laptop.
Favourite part of the night. Biden confusing Trump and Abraham Lincoln and calling Lincoln a racist..and then the look on Biden's face when Trump called him out on it.
Terrific theatre
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Moderator was very good too.
I didn't see it - could you tell when he was "muting" them? I like the idea of a STFU button with a red light that comes on the TB to let us know who was told off.
That is great innovation to stop two deliquents arguing.
I should know - a bit like here really.
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
I didn't see it - could you tell when he was "muting" them?
She. Sexist fluffybunny
You couldn't notice it because there wasn't much cross talking during the 2min answers (both mics were open after the initial topic questions)
You did see Biden talking once with no sound but that was them being too slow to switch back
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
She. Sexist fluffybunny
Haha. I was going to put a he /she in there but actually thought it was supposed to be a bloke. I probably should have used all of the letters just to cover it and not offend.
Both of them talking with no sound would probably be best for both of them politcally. I want that job.
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@Rembrandt i can wait, research is against fern policy! š tbh i don't think Biden supporters care anymore about the laptop than trumps do about russia/China etc.
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@Frank are those swing states places where that industry is a big deal? or do you think swing state voters will think it's anti-business/growth/jobs etc?
Not sure.
I just know Biden's current attempts to deny he was against fracking earlier means banning fracking polls very badly in the swing states (particularly Pennsylvania)
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@Frank are those swing states places where that industry is a big deal? or do you think swing state voters will think it's anti-business/growth/jobs etc?
Not sure.
I just know Biden's current attempts to deny he was against fracking earlier means banning fracking polls very badly in the swing states (particularly Pennsylvania)
The fact that Democrats can't/won't moderate their woke liberal leanings to take the moderate middle, which is so obviously there for the taking, was always likely to resurface.
Biden fading in home straight.
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@pakman said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@Frank are those swing states places where that industry is a big deal? or do you think swing state voters will think it's anti-business/growth/jobs etc?
Not sure.
I just know Biden's current attempts to deny he was against fracking earlier means banning fracking polls very badly in the swing states (particularly Pennsylvania)
The fact that Democrats can't/won't moderate their woke liberal leanings to take the moderate middle, which is so obviously there for the taking, was always likely to resurface.
Biden fading in home straight.
How is fracking āwokeā or āliberalā?
Itās a science/environment issue.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@pakman said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@Frank are those swing states places where that industry is a big deal? or do you think swing state voters will think it's anti-business/growth/jobs etc?
Not sure.
I just know Biden's current attempts to deny he was against fracking earlier means banning fracking polls very badly in the swing states (particularly Pennsylvania)
The fact that Democrats can't/won't moderate their woke liberal leanings to take the moderate middle, which is so obviously there for the taking, was always likely to resurface.
Biden fading in home straight.
How is fracking āwokeā or āliberalā?
Itās a science/environment issue.
Itās plain itās not inherently woke or liberal, but anti-fracking is a widely held view by such types.
Itās not purely a science/environment issue: itās also economic. Most of the glib climate change promises are not economically viable. For them to be so requires technology which currently doesnāt exist. And of course, without China playing ball itās all rather futile.
At core, Biden is pushing āmoralā causes even if the costs fall on the less fortunate.
Itās very decent, but his apparent indifference to the economic impact on the electorate could be costly in the swing states.
Iād much rather socialise with Biden, but I think itās going to go to the wire.
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@pakman said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@pakman said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@Frank are those swing states places where that industry is a big deal? or do you think swing state voters will think it's anti-business/growth/jobs etc?
Not sure.
I just know Biden's current attempts to deny he was against fracking earlier means banning fracking polls very badly in the swing states (particularly Pennsylvania)
The fact that Democrats can't/won't moderate their woke liberal leanings to take the moderate middle, which is so obviously there for the taking, was always likely to resurface.
Biden fading in home straight.
How is fracking āwokeā or āliberalā?
Itās a science/environment issue.
Itās plain itās not inherently woke or liberal, but anti-fracking is a widely held view by such types.
Itās not purely a science/environment issue: itās also economic. Most of the glib climate change promises are not economically viable. For them to be so requires technology which currently doesnāt exist. And of course, without China playing ball itās all rather futile.
At core, Biden is pushing āmoralā causes even if the costs fall on the less fortunate.
Itās very decent, but his apparent indifference to the economic impact on the electorate could be costly in the swing states.
Iād much rather socialise with Biden, but I think itās going to go to the wire.
I get where you are coming from but fracking is a little different. You either frack or you don't. No technology changes required. Just like COVID, follow the science. I do get that there are economic implications, but everything has economic implications and not everything that makes money is inherently 'good'
If I follow your argument it is verging on claiming that something like vaccinating is 'woke'.I just wish people would stop assigning topics to 'groups' rather than assess them for what they are. By doing so cuts the sensible arguments off at the knees.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@pakman said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@pakman said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@Frank are those swing states places where that industry is a big deal? or do you think swing state voters will think it's anti-business/growth/jobs etc?
Not sure.
I just know Biden's current attempts to deny he was against fracking earlier means banning fracking polls very badly in the swing states (particularly Pennsylvania)
The fact that Democrats can't/won't moderate their woke liberal leanings to take the moderate middle, which is so obviously there for the taking, was always likely to resurface.
Biden fading in home straight.
How is fracking āwokeā or āliberalā?
Itās a science/environment issue.
Itās plain itās not inherently woke or liberal, but anti-fracking is a widely held view by such types.
Itās not purely a science/environment issue: itās also economic. Most of the glib climate change promises are not economically viable. For them to be so requires technology which currently doesnāt exist. And of course, without China playing ball itās all rather futile.
At core, Biden is pushing āmoralā causes even if the costs fall on the less fortunate.
Itās very decent, but his apparent indifference to the economic impact on the electorate could be costly in the swing states.
Iād much rather socialise with Biden, but I think itās going to go to the wire.
I get where you are coming from but fracking is a little different. You either frack or you don't. No technology changes required. Just like COVID, follow the science. I do get that there are economic implications, but everything has economic implications and not everything that makes money is inherently 'good'
If I follow your argument it is verging on claiming that something like vaccinating is 'woke'.I just wish people would stop assigning topics to 'groups' rather than assess them for what they are. By doing so cuts the sensible arguments off at the knees.
Obviously Iām very much summarising, but if Biden pitched his policies more towards moving in the right direction rather than making fairly strong shorter term commitments I think heād claim the middle ground. If he then wins he can always up the ante.
There has been comment in UK that Joe has allowed an element of polarisation over Covid. Heās prioritising health over economy whereas Trump made a big play that Covid wasnāt as serious as some made out and the economy needed to be protected.
Trump really majored on jobs, but Joe seemed more in the camp of there being casualties in any war.
For some that may be a decisive factor in how they vote.
All that said, IMO itās going to be tight.
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@pakman it may well be tight. If you have followed the posts where I am tracking the changes in polls you can see that Trump basically needs to own everything that is within the polling margins of error (and currently leaning Biden) PLUS he needs one more that the polls show as 5-10% in Bidens camp. It has to be a decent sized one as well. Somewhere like Michigan.
If Biden wins Florida it is all over for Trump.
So, yeah, the strange US system could see even more people across the country voting Biden than Clinton but still a loss -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
So, yeah, the strange US system could see even more people across the country voting Biden than Clinton but still a loss
The electoral college is really odd. You are actually voting for someone to vote for you effectively. I can see how it came about but shouldn't they have moved on by now?
There have been 5 presidents that won the college vote, but not the peoples (one draw). Is that democracy?
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
So, yeah, the strange US system could see even more people across the country voting Biden than Clinton but still a loss
The electoral college is really odd. You are actually voting for someone to vote for you effectively. I can see how it came about but shouldn't they have moved on by now?
There have been 5 presidents that won the college vote, but not the peoples (one draw). Is that democracy?
Some argue that it is a form of Proportional representation but I must look up how often it is adjusted for population. One vote per state would be an even worse set up.
When you are voting for one overall President you'd think that the fairest way is overall count. That would mean that the three branches cover the three representations.Good basic explanation here https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/oct/22/us-electoral-college-explained
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