David Bain
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@Siam said in David Bain no compensation:
I used to sit next to David in a psychology tutorial at Otago uni. Never forget those jerseys and also he wore one of those german army disposable coats that were cheap and popular for scarfies in 1990.
But it was strange all those years ago putting a face to the name. I remember noticing his acne, height, skinniness and clothing, but apart from that nothing he said or behaved indicated much apart from my immature diagnosis of "nerd" and knowing he was a local Dunedin student.
That's it. That's my input to this thread. However due to his "unremarkableness" I've always tended on the innocent side for him - not that that holds any water (nor does my input to this thread - it's a hell of a mystery though)
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@Virgil said in David Bain no compensation:
Finished listening to the podcast series
How the fuck is this guy not rotting in a jail cell?
Always thought it was obvious he was the killer listening to this just reinforces it.
Karam and co should hang their heads in shameI think this post after listening to the podcasts shows just how biased the series is.
I agree that it make a very persuasive case for the prosecution but explore a bit deeper and there are aspects that are dismissed purely because Van Beynan applies his own behaviour to the situation, ignores the doubt surrounding the David' case due to missing evidence in the 'Robin' case and has clearly set out (despite his claims to the contrary) to justify his own strongly held views.
I'm not claiming David is innocent, just that even with detailed hindsight views unencumbered by the courtroom it is fascinating to see how totally different pictures can be argued from the same set of evidence.
Read Binnie, read Callinan. You may still come to the same conclusion but without Van Beynan's dramatics.
One of the most puzzling aspects of the case is that the 'David did it' camp paint him as a psychotic weirdo with all sorts of issues yet there is no clinical evidence that backs this up. Only lay persons opinions. All professional opinion is to the contrary.
There are simply massive holes in the evidence for both sides.
Another interesting difference is the method of viewing evidence used by Van Beynan compared to Binnie.
VB describes it as strands of a rope which for the rope to fail nearly all of the strands must fail. A 'perfect storm' of evidence pointing toward David for which it would be massively coincidental for all pieces to be wrong at the same time.
Binnie describes the similar 'rope' situation but takes the view that if one strand fails the rope becomes weaker and he will only count strands that are proven. -
But David lied to Binnie, his story keeps changing.
He can't account (truthfully) for the missing 25 mins from when he came home to ringing 111.
Apart from this bloody sock print thing there's no physical evidence linking the dad to the murders. He even had a full bladder ffs. I'm only 44 but there's a shit show chance I can last an hour when I get up without taking a piss. -
@Virgil said in David Bain no compensation:
But David lied to Binnie, his story keeps changing.
He can't account (truthfully) for the missing 25 mins from when he came home to ringing 111.
Apart from this bloody sock print thing there's no physical evidence linking the dad to the murders. He even had a full bladder ffs. I'm only 44 but there's a shit show chance I can last an hour when I get up without taking a piss.Binnie doesn't think David lied to him and he was face to face with him. VB says David lied based on his interpretation then sells that.
The 25 minutes is a bit of a red herring IMO. Yes, David can't account for it but what is he alleged to have done in that 25 minutes? He certainly didn't take time to check through the scene and make sure there was no evidence he left behind. His gloves were in his brothers room and his father had no visible signs of blood.
According to the police he didn't kill everyone in the 25 minute spell (although I'm not sure why that is.
The bladder thing is also a non issue. For starters it wasn't an hour, we don't even know when Robin got out of bed but he obviously didn't feel the need for a piss straight away because even if he was innocent he still walked through the garden, walked past the toilet and up the stairs, went out to the letterbox (which wasn't close) and went back inside to read the paper. He quite obviously either didn't need a piss or he had one and still had urine in his bladder.
Thing is that none of it makes sense in the way described. David had no traces of blood in or on the shoes he wore on the paper run for example.
There is no evidence against Robin, but then hardly any was looked for or it was not taken or fucked up later. A lack of evidence can't be used against David just as it can't be used against Robin.I'd love to work this one out and while I agree that everything there is makes it more likely to be David Im not certain that if I was on a jury and had VB as prosecution and Binnie as defence I would convict.
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@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
Bump.....
Anyone watching the show on TVNZ on demand ?
Yes. Not sure what to make of it really. More questions than answers. The disfunctional family is clear.
I’m three out of four episodes in and genuinely wondering why it was even made to be honest.
Fucken weird family and I still personally reckon David did it.
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@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
Bump.....
Anyone watching the show on TVNZ on demand ?
Yes. Not sure what to make of it really. More questions than answers. The disfunctional family is clear.
I’m three out of four episodes in and genuinely wondering why it was even made to be honest.
Fucken weird family and I still personally reckon David did it.
Yep. If they were going to continue the program with the court process and outcomes it might have more relevance but it doesn't look like it. Whole thing is just a bit strange, from the family, to the making of the show.
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@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
Bump.....
Anyone watching the show on TVNZ on demand ?
Yes. Not sure what to make of it really. More questions than answers. The disfunctional family is clear.
I’m three out of four episodes in and genuinely wondering why it was even made to be honest.
Fucken weird family and I still personally reckon David did it.
Yep. If they were going to continue the program with the court process and outcomes it might have more relevance but it doesn't look like it. Whole thing is just a bit strange, from the family, to the making of the show.
Indeed. Without seeing the last episode ( still 50/50 on if I will or not ) it seems we’re left to draw our own conclusions.
The scenes with the family without David are somewhat weird in that there’s no one alive to confirm if such discussions/arguments happened or not.
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@MN5 said in David Bain:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
Bump.....
Anyone watching the show on TVNZ on demand ?
Yes. Not sure what to make of it really. More questions than answers. The disfunctional family is clear.
I’m three out of four episodes in and genuinely wondering why it was even made to be honest.
Fucken weird family and I still personally reckon David did it.
100% he did it.
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@canefan said in David Bain:
@MN5 said in David Bain:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
Bump.....
Anyone watching the show on TVNZ on demand ?
Yes. Not sure what to make of it really. More questions than answers. The disfunctional family is clear.
I’m three out of four episodes in and genuinely wondering why it was even made to be honest.
Fucken weird family and I still personally reckon David did it.
100% he did it.
Have to concur, it sounds like if the Police did their job properly to start with it wouldn’t have even been a question.
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@MN5 said in David Bain:
@canefan said in David Bain:
@MN5 said in David Bain:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
Bump.....
Anyone watching the show on TVNZ on demand ?
Yes. Not sure what to make of it really. More questions than answers. The disfunctional family is clear.
I’m three out of four episodes in and genuinely wondering why it was even made to be honest.
Fucken weird family and I still personally reckon David did it.
100% he did it.
Have to concur, it sounds like if the Police did their job properly to start with it wouldn’t have even been a question.
I have a mate who got to see the evidence. If you believe Robin killed everyone, then offed himself but managed to get the shell casing to end up on it's end, as it presented at the scene, then I would ask how he did that
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@MN5 said in David Bain:
@canefan said in David Bain:
@MN5 said in David Bain:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
Bump.....
Anyone watching the show on TVNZ on demand ?
Yes. Not sure what to make of it really. More questions than answers. The disfunctional family is clear.
I’m three out of four episodes in and genuinely wondering why it was even made to be honest.
Fucken weird family and I still personally reckon David did it.
100% he did it.
Have to concur, it sounds like if the Police did their job properly to start with it wouldn’t have even been a question.
this is it.
Test hands for gunshot residue
Don't burn down the house with all the evidence inside, including carpet with bloodstained footprints. Measure the feet of the deceased people to see if they fit? Maybe get actual timing of computers being turned on (rather than just an analog, inaccurate wristwatch)
It's a cluster all round, and probably the right outcome of 'not enough evidence to prove guilt'
@canefan I think David probably did it, but the police theory was a bit Lundy 500 like ... shoot up all your family except Robin, then do your paper round, wait for him and shoot him afterwards? Seems weird.
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@nzzp said in David Bain:
@MN5 said in David Bain:
@canefan said in David Bain:
@MN5 said in David Bain:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
Bump.....
Anyone watching the show on TVNZ on demand ?
Yes. Not sure what to make of it really. More questions than answers. The disfunctional family is clear.
I’m three out of four episodes in and genuinely wondering why it was even made to be honest.
Fucken weird family and I still personally reckon David did it.
100% he did it.
Have to concur, it sounds like if the Police did their job properly to start with it wouldn’t have even been a question.
this is it.
Test hands for gunshot residue
Don't burn down the house with all the evidence inside, including carpet with bloodstained footprints. Measure the feet of the deceased people to see if they fit? Maybe get actual timing of computers being turned on (rather than just an analog, inaccurate wristwatch)
It's a cluster all round, and probably the right outcome of 'not enough evidence to prove guilt'
@canefan I think David probably did it, but the police theory was a bit Lundy 500 like ... shoot up all your family except Robin, then do your paper round, wait for him and shoot him afterwards? Seems weird.
Could have made it a lot easier on themselves, probably got lulled into the fact that it was so open and shut. But still no excuse for bad detective work
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@MN5 said in David Bain:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
Bump.....
Anyone watching the show on TVNZ on demand ?
Yes. Not sure what to make of it really. More questions than answers. The disfunctional family is clear.
I’m three out of four episodes in and genuinely wondering why it was even made to be honest.
Fucken weird family and I still personally reckon David did it.
Yep. If they were going to continue the program with the court process and outcomes it might have more relevance but it doesn't look like it. Whole thing is just a bit strange, from the family, to the making of the show.
Indeed. Without seeing the last episode ( still 50/50 on if I will or not ) it seems we’re left to draw our own conclusions.
The scenes with the family without David are somewhat weird in that there’s no one alive to confirm if such discussions/arguments happened or not.
That was my feelings too. Little scenes not corroborated but form an important part of the picture the makers are trying to present.
As an example they kept showing Robin sitting outside Laniets place in his van then driving away looking angry or frustrated. Are they trying to show that he was worried, caring and weak? Or that he was building up a feeling of hopelessness? Or jealousy?
I know that they are leaving it to the viewer but I don’t recall any evidence that he was regularly doing that. -
@Crucial said in David Bain:
@MN5 said in David Bain:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
Bump.....
Anyone watching the show on TVNZ on demand ?
Yes. Not sure what to make of it really. More questions than answers. The disfunctional family is clear.
I’m three out of four episodes in and genuinely wondering why it was even made to be honest.
Fucken weird family and I still personally reckon David did it.
Yep. If they were going to continue the program with the court process and outcomes it might have more relevance but it doesn't look like it. Whole thing is just a bit strange, from the family, to the making of the show.
Indeed. Without seeing the last episode ( still 50/50 on if I will or not ) it seems we’re left to draw our own conclusions.
The scenes with the family without David are somewhat weird in that there’s no one alive to confirm if such discussions/arguments happened or not.
That was my feelings too. Little scenes not corroborated but form an important part of the picture the makers are trying to present.
As an example they kept showing Robin sitting outside Laniets place in his van then driving away looking angry or frustrated. Are they trying to show that he was worried, caring and weak? Or that he was building up a feeling of hopelessness? Or jealousy?
I know that they are leaving it to the viewer but I don’t recall any evidence that he was regularly doing that.It seems to be full of far too much creative license. I think the Aromoana film made a few years back did it much better.
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@MN5 said in David Bain:
@Crucial said in David Bain:
@MN5 said in David Bain:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
@Snowy said in David Bain no compensation:
@MN5 said in David Bain no compensation:
Bump.....
Anyone watching the show on TVNZ on demand ?
Yes. Not sure what to make of it really. More questions than answers. The disfunctional family is clear.
I’m three out of four episodes in and genuinely wondering why it was even made to be honest.
Fucken weird family and I still personally reckon David did it.
Yep. If they were going to continue the program with the court process and outcomes it might have more relevance but it doesn't look like it. Whole thing is just a bit strange, from the family, to the making of the show.
Indeed. Without seeing the last episode ( still 50/50 on if I will or not ) it seems we’re left to draw our own conclusions.
The scenes with the family without David are somewhat weird in that there’s no one alive to confirm if such discussions/arguments happened or not.
That was my feelings too. Little scenes not corroborated but form an important part of the picture the makers are trying to present.
As an example they kept showing Robin sitting outside Laniets place in his van then driving away looking angry or frustrated. Are they trying to show that he was worried, caring and weak? Or that he was building up a feeling of hopelessness? Or jealousy?
I know that they are leaving it to the viewer but I don’t recall any evidence that he was regularly doing that.It seems to be full of far too much creative license. I think the Aromoana film made a few years back did it much better.
The other thing is that when they change the character focus they seem to change the personalty of David. I'm not sure if that is done on purpose or not but when it is a David or Robin story, David seems just a bit nerdy but not too bad. Just trying to survive as part of a family falling apart. But recently when it has been viewed from Laniet or Aroha, David turns into a controlling creep.
It seems to be wide interpretations based on little snippets and anecdotes.
Only thing the programme is doing for me is making me think that they are all better off dead and if David has got his shit together after prison and faded into a quiet life then leave it all alone. -
is it possible Robin went crazy and shot people then David shot him?