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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
We’re all in this together. obviously more so for the people that die in the meantime.
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
The EU turned down the chance to buy large quantities of the Oxford and Moderna vaccines and instead bet on one being developed by a French company which has flopped. Talk about xenophobia in a global pandemic..
When you hear this of this sort of shit going on you can quite understand the Brexit POV.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
When you hear this of this sort of shit going on you can quite understand the Brexit POV.
I would have hoped, had we still been part of the EU, we'd have told them to fuck right off for putting lives at risk for the sake of "EU Unity"
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
We’re all in this together. obviously more so for the people that die in the meantime.
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
The EU turned down the chance to buy large quantities of the Oxford and Moderna vaccines and instead bet on one being developed by a French company which has flopped. Talk about xenophobia in a global pandemic..
Worse than that, as the article I posted notes, De Spiegel reported the EU ordered only 200m of the 500m doses offered, in anticipation of the French vaccine being available. Luckily the British vaccine will be there to save their bacon!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
When you hear this of this sort of shit going on you can quite understand the Brexit POV.
I would have hoped, had we still been part of the EU, we'd have told them to fuck right off for putting lives at risk for the sake of "EU Unity"
We did retain control over certain issues, money and health being the two big ones. So quite likely we would have ploughed our own furrow.
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Don’t forget Boris took a contrary / fuck you stance to what the EU was doing back in March so it’s not as rosy a picture as everyone is painting.
There have been massive blunders both sides of the Channel.
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@MiketheSnow Agreed
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@MiketheSnow whose painting a rosy picture?
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow whose painting a rosy picture?
MSM posted in this thread
Deflection
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Tim said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Bones Think it's a two dose vaccine as well.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32623-4/fulltext
One dose 60% effective. Two up to 90%.
Getting scientific here, but the reason that they accidentally gave half doses in the AstraZeneca trial has just been released. The Italian manufacturers used a method called qPCR to confirm the strength (potency) of the drug supplied, which is the correct way to do that. Oxford when they received it, did their own tests using a different method (NANODROP), determined that the drug was twice the potency that it was, trusted their own results and watered it down accordingly.
Pretty bad process to assume the test you did is right (especially when NANODROP is typically used just for spot checks, not full quality control), and then not to bother checking with the manufacturers at all, or testing via qPCR (which is not very time consuming), then just going ahead and trusting your own results in isolation.
Through such fuckups are scientific breakthroughs made...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow whose painting a rosy picture?
MSM posted in this thread
Deflection
To be fair, i think the news on the vaccine front looks pretty good - particularly on this side of the Channel.
There's been loads of things every country should have done better in hindsight - not least the UK.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
In a nutshell my biggest bugbear with EU is responsibility without accountability. Like being run by the civil service.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow whose painting a rosy picture?
MSM posted in this thread
Deflection
To be fair, i think the news on the vaccine front looks pretty good - particularly on this side of the Channel.
There's been loads of things every country should have done better in hindsight - not least the UK.
UK leads the developed world. EU 'Nul points'.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
In a nutshell my biggest bugbear with EU is responsibility without accountability. Like being run by the civil service.
Funnily enough Margaret Thatcher's wanted the EU run by a professional civil service but answerable to the European parliament. Not such a bad idea in retrospect.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
In a nutshell my biggest bugbear with EU is responsibility without accountability. Like being run by the civil service.
Funnily enough Margaret Thatcher's wanted the EU run by a professional civil service but answerable to the European parliament. Not such a bad idea in retrospect.
It's not?
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
In a nutshell my biggest bugbear with EU is responsibility without accountability. Like being run by the civil service.
Funnily enough Margaret Thatcher's wanted the EU run by a professional civil service but answerable to the European parliament. Not such a bad idea in retrospect.
It's not?
IMO no, not a bad idea, but maybe I didn’t explain it very well. The idea was that you would have an elected and accountable set of policy makers with a professional civil service implementing policy. This rather than having an unelected and unaccountable group shaping and implementing policy with a largely irrelevant elected parliament.
Well, that’s one view anyway.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
In a nutshell my biggest bugbear with EU is responsibility without accountability. Like being run by the civil service.
Funnily enough Margaret Thatcher's wanted the EU run by a professional civil service but answerable to the European parliament. Not such a bad idea in retrospect.
It's not?
IMO no, not a bad idea, but maybe I didn’t explain it very well. The idea was that you would have an elected and accountable set of policy makers with a professional civil service implementing policy. This rather than having an unelected and unaccountable group shaping and implementing policy with a largely irrelevant elected parliament.
Well, that’s one view anyway.
It sounds a bit "Yes Prime minister" either way. You still end up with Sir Humphrey running the show.
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Oxford AstroZeneca vaccine approved.
Mass roll-out planned to start next week with 5-10m doses available straight away.
Coronavirus - UK