Electric Vehicles
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As an aside on data: I'm working in a team that is pulling over 3 million data points a day from IoT across ~900 sites, and people in the industry (facilities management) are losing their fucking minds over the quantity of points, but it really is only dozens of MB per day.
Estimates I've seen of Tesla cars is 40-70MB per day per car. It used to be over 150MB so I think they versioned in order to trim what they no longer needed after the first X million miles of driving.
Need a fairly capable Time Series DB to handle that, and a shitload of capability to wash it out the other side to be useful.
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@NTA yes, I think laws will (rightly) ensure that electric cars have to keep full logs of every decison they have made, so those numbers above are going to get massive very very quickly.
In my previous job, we talked a lot about self-driving cars. Apparently they had around 10 million lines of code then, and that was increasing all the time.
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How about this at the price point?
https://www.citroen.co.nz/citroen-universe/concept-car/ami-one-concept/
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@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
So cars have to talk to other cars? Yeah I can see that working coz manufacturers have a fantastic record of working together to create uniform platforms. Sharing IP no problem at all. Or will it be a case of dummkopf auto nien sprechen sie Audi
Thats a legislative issue, not a technology one. Billions of devices connect over the internet because there are standards about how to communicate.
In order to get a "license" to be on the road you have to use xyz standard to communicate.
Tesla or Google will probably design it, and Tesla already open source their patents and Google are pretty good on that front as well. Hell, even Microsoft open source software these days.
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@antipodean yeah I've seen the feedback from a few pundits on the software in the VW EVs and they say its crap
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@antipodean said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@mariner4life said in Investing - Property/Shares:
Can someone explain to me how suddenly Tesla is worth more than every other car company combined?
FOMO. There's literally no other reason for the stock price.
Anyone thinking their battery technology is worth such a ridiculous valuation is ignoring that most of the IP is actually owned by their partners and smaller university backed companies are doing more interesting, ground breaking things.
The EPS of the stock is ludicrous. It's like muppets think Tesla is going to dominate the automobile industry. Now that all the other real manufacturers are stepping into the EV market, Tesla will remain a niche for people who don't know what quality is.
Probably a bet on the self driving aspect of Tesla. Whoever cracks that technology first is going dominate what driving in the future looks like.
Particularly as they aren't using a lidar based system, and their competitors are.
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@Kirwan said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@antipodean said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@mariner4life said in Investing - Property/Shares:
Can someone explain to me how suddenly Tesla is worth more than every other car company combined?
FOMO. There's literally no other reason for the stock price.
Anyone thinking their battery technology is worth such a ridiculous valuation is ignoring that most of the IP is actually owned by their partners and smaller university backed companies are doing more interesting, ground breaking things.
The EPS of the stock is ludicrous. It's like muppets think Tesla is going to dominate the automobile industry. Now that all the other real manufacturers are stepping into the EV market, Tesla will remain a niche for people who don't know what quality is.
Probably a bet on the self driving aspect of Tesla. Whoever cracks that technology first is going dominate what driving in the future looks like.
Particularly as they aren't using a lidar based system, and their competitors are.
I'm pretty bearish on AVs in Australia, probably NZ also. Somewhere like Singapore maybe will be first.
But here in Oz in particular, everyone wants to drive, and everyone thinks they're really good at it. And red tape and beaurocracy will ensure that we continue to measure AV safety against perfection rather than the miserable drivers that humans actually are.
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@Kirwan said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@antipodean said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@mariner4life said in Investing - Property/Shares:
Can someone explain to me how suddenly Tesla is worth more than every other car company combined?
FOMO. There's literally no other reason for the stock price.
Anyone thinking their battery technology is worth such a ridiculous valuation is ignoring that most of the IP is actually owned by their partners and smaller university backed companies are doing more interesting, ground breaking things.
The EPS of the stock is ludicrous. It's like muppets think Tesla is going to dominate the automobile industry. Now that all the other real manufacturers are stepping into the EV market, Tesla will remain a niche for people who don't know what quality is.
Probably a bet on the self driving aspect of Tesla. Whoever cracks that technology first is going dominate what driving in the future looks like.
Particularly as they aren't using a lidar based system, and their competitors are.
My SUV will drive itself so long as you keep touching the steering wheel every 30 seconds to remind it you're still there. It's useless. It depends on monitoring your position on the road using cameras so it's looking for a clear white line on the offside and a centre line on the right. It's common not to have a left hand side line at all and any time there's a missing centerline the car drifts you across to the other side where it then uses its radar to detect the car it has now put you in the way of. The last thing you hear before you die is the truly excellent warning systems telling you it's all gone tits up.
Steering wheels. They're worth using.
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@voodoo said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@Kirwan said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@antipodean said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@mariner4life said in Investing - Property/Shares:
Can someone explain to me how suddenly Tesla is worth more than every other car company combined?
FOMO. There's literally no other reason for the stock price.
Anyone thinking their battery technology is worth such a ridiculous valuation is ignoring that most of the IP is actually owned by their partners and smaller university backed companies are doing more interesting, ground breaking things.
The EPS of the stock is ludicrous. It's like muppets think Tesla is going to dominate the automobile industry. Now that all the other real manufacturers are stepping into the EV market, Tesla will remain a niche for people who don't know what quality is.
Probably a bet on the self driving aspect of Tesla. Whoever cracks that technology first is going dominate what driving in the future looks like.
Particularly as they aren't using a lidar based system, and their competitors are.
I'm pretty bearish on AVs in Australia, probably NZ also. Somewhere like Singapore maybe will be first.
But here in Oz in particular, everyone wants to drive, and everyone thinks they're really good at it. And red tape and beaurocracy will ensure that we continue to measure AV safety against perfection rather than the miserable drivers that humans actually are.
Agreed. It doesn't need to be perfect, just better. The problem for lawmakers is semi-autonomous driving still kills people and they'll be more than happy to insist on inventing a suitable standard for such systems to comply with.
We're a long, long way off autonomous driving, but anything that limits this sort of fuckwittery is "A Good Thing":
Now given the time to implement a legislative background (which will only come at the behest of lobbying and public groundswell), that's a fair way off. Tesla may well be the obvious and lone candidate for licensing, but that alone won't justify the share price.
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Not sure how far along autonomous Jetsons are, but that could end up being the solution.
What will put AV over the top IMO is cheap passenger transport as a service, whether that's as individual cars going door to door for $5 or busses and trains dropping below $2.
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
So Toyotas, BMWs, Volkswagens, Hondas, Nissans, Kias etc..?
Rampant subsidies because, well why the hell not when you're running trillion dollar deficits?
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@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
So Toyotas, BMWs, Volkswagens, Hondas, Nissans, Kias etc..?
Rampant subsidies because, well why the hell not when you're running trillion dollar deficits?
Maybe Ford and Tesla will get a run? 😉
Rivian anyone?
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@NTA Tesla's had more than a decade. Useless.
I'm betting Ford's investment on Rivian will pay dividends. They used the last round of public money largesse to make their F truck fleet more environmentally friendly. A battery diesel hybrid will IMO be a success when Americans work out they're faster and can tow more.
Especially when you consider Amazon will be looking for Rivian to be the preferred manufacturer of its future delivery vehicles.
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@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla's had more than a decade. Useless.
Lol fuck really? Started a car company which hasn't been done in the US for donkeys, then finally got profitable rather than crashing and burning 🤣
Your definition of "useless" needs adjusting I think 🤔 Unless you are Jeff Bezos