Electric Vehicles
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@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@Godder Just moves the unintended consequence though. Where do all the AV's park?
One option I've seen is that less people will own cars, so once they have taken their trip the car with go off looking for another passenger. So technically less cars on the road and no parking at all (And a second income stream if you own the car and rent it out as taxi while you are at work).
Another option is that it just goes home and recharges there, comes back when you need it.
Won't work for all scenerios but will be fine for the daily commute for most people.
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@Kirwan Yeah go home works although doesn't ease congestion at all - in fact increases it so ...
Really IMO we should be doing everything we can to make it so cars be they AV or traditional dummy driven don't need to enter metropolitan areas.
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@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@Kirwan Yeah go home works although doesn't ease congestion at all - in fact increases it so ...
That's on the assumption that car ownership continues to be something people aspire to in highly urbanised areas. There are a lot of moving parts there around public transport, urban planning etc
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@Kirwan said in Electric Vehicles:
@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@Godder Just moves the unintended consequence though. Where do all the AV's park?
One option I've seen is that less people will own cars, so once they have taken their trip the car with go off looking for another passenger.
Hope the cars have a self cleaning interior. Stuffed if I want to be driven around in the car that has had a dozen grubs in it that day.
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@Bones said in Electric Vehicles:
@JC farken hell, they do cameras specifically so you can drive your car into a car wash now? I'm bewildered by the juxtaposition of having that much cash to blow you can choose that option yet not afford a hand car wash.
If I could find a place that would do a hand car wash in Shield Snorters I'd probably use it. Need some Eastern Europeans.
And it's a bit ironic talking about affording things when you never leave the right amount on my nightstand when you leave.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Electric Vehicles:
@Kirwan said in Electric Vehicles:
@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@Godder Just moves the unintended consequence though. Where do all the AV's park?
One option I've seen is that less people will own cars, so once they have taken their trip the car with go off looking for another passenger.
Hope the cars have a self cleaning interior. Stuffed if I want to be driven around in the car that has had a dozen grubs in it that day.
That's why Uber has that driver and passenger rating system. You select only 5 star passengers, and you get to vote them down if they are messy. They want to be interface for this sort of stuff in the future
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@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@Kirwan Yeah go home works although doesn't ease congestion at all - in fact increases it so ...
Really IMO we should be doing everything we can to make it so cars be they AV or traditional dummy driven don't need to enter metropolitan areas.
It'll be a combination of what I described, more people working from home, etc and as NTA says once people don't really own a car, traffic will reduce.
Imagine you only need a small car to get to work, but want a SUV for the weekend to go to the beach. Goin to be an interesting change
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@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@Kirwan don't disagree but I believe PT is more the answer than AV's - as long as there is a reasonable PT option.
Public transport?
Why spend billions when you can distribute the costs in a peer to peer option. The AV option is a combination of PT and single car ownership.
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@Kirwan said in Electric Vehicles:
That's why Uber has that driver and passenger rating system. You select only 5 star passengers, and you get to vote them down if they are messy. They want to be interface for this sort of stuff in the future
Logical that rideshare AVs will have camera tech to identify this sort of thing.
@Kirwan said in Electric Vehicles:
Imagine you only need a small car to get to work, but want a SUV for the weekend to go to the beach. Goin to be an interesting change
Would love to be a single-car family but difficult to manage in the current constraints of wife's work and kids' extracurricular, rugby club etc.
Even tho the office is only 7km by road, that's still 70km per week I'm not doing for 45-48 weeks per year give or take, so do I need the X-Trail? I ran some quick stats based on the logged services:
Lifetime of vehicle: 38.5km/day (114,000km over 2,828 days)
May 2012 to March 2020 when COVID hit (serviced a week in): ~106,000km @ 41km/day
First 6 months of COVID (to August service): 3800km @ 25km/day (-35% on lifetime)
Last 5 months of COVID (to today): 5000km @ 32km/day (-18% on lifetime)Most of that decrease is work as we still do weekend day trips and in fact have probably increased our day trips as we're not taking extended leave to go flying somewhere.
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@Kirwan said in Electric Vehicles:
@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@Kirwan don't disagree but I believe PT is more the answer than AV's - as long as there is a reasonable PT option.
Public transport?
Why spend billions when you can distribute the costs in a peer to peer option. The AV option is a combination of PT and single car ownership.
That is the question over PT now: what is the reliance on it in a WFH world? If you've not operating a centralised working model, how can you justify a mass transit system?
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@JC said in Electric Vehicles:
If I could find a place that would do a hand car wash in Shield Snorters I'd probably use it. Need some Eastern Europeans.
Most of the Polish chicks on here seem to have left Hawkes, so I guess that you are out of luck. Nice idea though. This could be Nepia?
As for AV. The eTron is actually pretty good with lane deviation, etc, heaps better than the earlier versions like the Subaru. They will get better of course. The Audi just gives the wheel a gentle nudge to say " hey you awake" if you deviate too much, which you may have to do. It doesn't shout at you or try to correct. The lane tracking seems to work quite well even on our not so well marked roads. I don't trust it, as JC said the steering wheel is there for a reason, but it does work and is a useful safety aid for old drivers who don't see so well (not me yet). The best bit is the motorway lane change warning, there is nearly always a blind spot in the mirrors and turning your head to look isn't ideal (car in front) so it flashes a light next to the mirror to warn you of something there (often a motorcyclist between lanes). The car in front isn't such a problem either as it will just slow to maintain a safe distance at that speed. HUD also excellent.
It's really good stuff. I'm much happier that my Dad is still driving now that he is in the Audi given that he had a horrendous crash a few years ago. His freelander looked like a golf ball - multiple rolls after a guy reaching for a water bottle crossed lanes on SH1, hit him, spun into ditch, did the tumble. Probably a 180kph impact. To be fair the landrover safety features, crumple zones, air bags, etc saved him. The cop couldn't believe that he was alive. he would have been late 70s at the time.
If the guy had lane departure it probably wouldn't have happened. Which is the point of these things.
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@Kirwan said in Electric Vehicles:
@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@Kirwan don't disagree but I believe PT is more the answer than AV's - as long as there is a reasonable PT option.
Public transport?
Why spend billions when you can distribute the costs in a peer to peer option.
Population density. All the AVs in the world aren't going to move people in Hong Kong, Tokyo etc.
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@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
@Kirwan said in Electric Vehicles:
@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@Kirwan don't disagree but I believe PT is more the answer than AV's - as long as there is a reasonable PT option.
Public transport?
Why spend billions when you can distribute the costs in a peer to peer option.
Population density. All the AVs in the world aren't going to move people in Hong Kong, Tokyo etc.
Both I reckon. Definitely public transport, but my usual mode of transport in HKG was walk or taxi to MTR. An AV could do that rather than a taxi. Same amount of vehicles on the road, unless we get to sharing AVs which people don't do in a taxi, and could help a lot. Basically a bus that picks you up from home because you have luggage and drops you off at the train station, and can collect other people on your way there.
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@Kirwan said in Electric Vehicles:
Also worth mentioning that when you get to a majority of AVs on the road congestion will greatly be improved, as the cars can maintain a set speed at a close distance. Would effectively increase the capacity of existing roads.
Yep effectively a train on roads. Human distance following isn't great and you end up with more efficiency with AVs. I've worked with "autopilots" in some way or form for a long time. They are better than humans except when things go wrong. Mundane tasks, fine, but there will still be issues, accidents, failures. Whether it would be fewer than now?
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@Snowy said in Electric Vehicles:
@Kirwan said in Electric Vehicles:
Also worth mentioning that when you get to a majority of AVs on the road congestion will greatly be improved, as the cars can maintain a set speed at a close distance. Would effectively increase the capacity of existing roads.
Yep effectively a train on roads. Human distance following isn't great and you end up with more efficiency with AVs. I've worked with "autopilots" in some way or form for a long time. They are better than humans except when things go wrong. Mundane tasks, fine, but there will still be issues, accidents, failures. Whether it would be fewer than now?
Yep, it's going to be an interesting issue. Humans cause deaths with cars, and so will AVs. How much less will it have to be for people to be comfortable with this?
Trolley problem, right. Kill the driver or that bus full of kids?
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@Kirwan I think it'll be insurance companies that drive adoption. Once they figure out the cars are less likely to kill people or get into at fault accidents they'll pour in. I think this will happen faster than people think.
Remember, it's not the good drivers that get replaced first, it's the 85 year old, the dodgy overseas visitors...