Coronavirus - Overall
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@kruse said in Coronavirus - Overall:
it's all factually correct, and just a good advisory, written in a way to appeal to the free-wheeling free-spirited free-love West-Coast crowd.
Of course it is. Its not really one indication of the world (or West) going quite mad
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kruse can you imagine the increase in global productivity if people stopped finding ways to be outraged and offended at irrelevant or imaginary things?
So commenting (or joking) on silliness (as the West descends into madness) is now being outraged or offended?
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@winger she seemed offended to me, why you even take the time to respond to something so inoffensive, making silly claims
And yes I'm aware that now I'm also in the camp of people wasting time talking about this shit!
Edit, saw your edit, I was talking about her, not you
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@winger she seemed offended to me, why you even take the time to respond to something so inoffensive, making silly claims
And yes I'm aware that now I'm also in the camp of people wasting time talking about this shit!
Edit, saw your edit, I was talking about her, not you
I know. But I took it (perhaps wrongly) as a very light hearted comment
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kruse can you imagine the increase in global productivity if people stopped finding ways to be outraged and offended at irrelevant or imaginary things?
I know TSF would need approximately 50% of current patreon-age - in the savings from disk-space and bandwidth requirements.
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Well Rugby is about to start up so Iām showing my face. In New Zealand I imagine that you donāt come across room many people who have had Covid. I got the first vaccine over two weeks ago and will have the second vaccine in March. The primary reason why I personally got it because I thought it might be good to have on the resume if I planned on leaving the country on a dive trip or something but alas itās not a get out of jail free card. Thereās always something new and scary out there on the horizon. So last Saturday I came down with a pretty good fever which lasted for about a day and a half. Since I was seeing patients the next day I decided to get tested and I was positive. So Iām out for 10 days. My ex-wife and her husband probably had it a couple weeks earlier although they did not get tested. So I most likely got it from the kids. How do you keep away from your kids? So after the fever broke my symptoms were pretty similar to the flu. Actually if Covid did not exist I would put this down to my usual sinus infection that I get around this time of the year. Pretty much the same symptoms. Now whether the vaccination mitigated the symptoms is unknown. Thereās always a possibility that having the vaccine might have resulted in a positive test too. So a couple of things 1). I never feared this virus because I donāt fit into the categories of those at risk. I am not saying that to brag but just that I know the stats and I would not call myself someone with weak constitution. 2). If you have health issues this virus can do a number on you especially diabetics and every other co-morbidity related to obesity. I see this in the post covid patients I am working with. 3). I still believe that lockdowns and a myopic focus on Covid is destructive. My kids are still not in school and miss the social contact, people are losing their jobs, suicides up, people not seeking help when they have had a CVA or MI due to fear of covid at the ER, and the list goes on. 4). The fear is palpable in people and unfortunately these people, including public health officials, are reinforcing the environment that we have to live in. 5). Have to let the virus take its course and people held responsible for their own health. Canāt see how we got to a point where asymptomatic healthy people have to walk around as if they are contagious. We have never done this in our lives before. The vaccine was supposed to be the solution but the bar keeps being moved.
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Here's an angle:
I want to get COVID.
I want my 46 year old wife to get Covid
I want my 74 year old mother to get covid.
And I'll nurse her through it, ( and I'll do it with all the effort and vigour of her life depending on it - another geater pursuit I can't think of). If she dies, then she's still the greatest mum that ever lived. Throughout all my years my life has been littered with people dying before the age of 70. People I've loved. Good people. Great mothers and fathers of my friends and family when I was a kid. 50 years of knowing and coping with "unjust" and premature deaths. Some might posit it's a part of life. Most of them had no comorbidities.
The science is clear - there is an astounding, overwhelming chance that one will live after one gets covid, so why not bring it on and be released from the shackles of fear?
Can I request it?
Because at the point of recovery, (like the 99% of those already infected) all the shill from the media and leaders ceases to affect me. All the fear and dread that they relentlessly conveyed, (and continue to), for a year ceases to be important. Ceases to be "life saving". Life can then go on oblivious to them demanding that we cower and grovel and ask and acquiesce to every non sensical illogical order and dictate. Every single reigning in of personal life.
So bring it on. Can one pay to get infected so as to remove the fear of the most overrated cause of death that's ever afflicted humans? Many have paid everything just because they were commanded to hide from it.
"That's what the vaccine is for dumbkopff" I hear you say. But the vaccine comes with it's own terms and conditions not to mention other "settled" scientific questions:
1 vaccination or many?
Can still spread after vaccinated?
Do covid recoverers need a vaccine?
Safe for kids, babies?
Safe for pregnant women?
Side effects?
Overloading an immune system already equipped to deal with covid proteins?
What's to stop 2020 type living even with total vaccination? - that one I can answer, a politician's pen and a parliamentary order never seen before. Just like from March 2020.Or do I cower in fear, unsure whether or not to let mum drive to the supermarket as that is realistically more likely to kill her than a virus whose "cure" ruins more lives than the actual pathogen.
Always stand up to bully's, confront them head on. And covid is one big bully, certainly portrayed to be.
Fuck the fearš
Who's with me?š
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No mask required supermarket (Florida) doing well
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Some random muddled thoughts:
I donāt come with many solutions, but I sense there are an increasing number of people who assume thereās some sort of perfect (or perhaps a better word is: quick) solution to this whole thing: particularly that we should just let Covid spread and be done with it.
Iāve been intrigued for months by the implicit economic and consumer behaviour theories that some people (and posters) have that you can somehow wall off circa 25% (the elderly, āat riskā, fat bastards, etc) of the population and that economic, employment, and social life will just somehow magically carry on for the rest of the population, and that thereās no possible interaction or overlaps there across the groups.
Sure, the spending of the elderly and other groups doesnāt drop away to zero if they are magically walled off, but like the stereotypical marketing grad who only wants to focus on the young cool crowd; it does assume away their discretionary spending in a local economy. Not to mention social connections (yet)...
Anyone that thinks you can either:
(a) āwall off the elderlyā and at risk, and/or
(b) let survival of the fittest run through the elderly and at risk population groups etc... and somehow, say, save the tourism and hospitality industries (as but two major employing industries of young people) has never looked twice at the average cruise ship clientele, package tour group, or a suburban cafe crowd on a weekday. Among others.
(Some days I wonder if some of the Tourism Associations have even noticed their clientele, based on some of the public commentary Iāve seen.)
Sucks for the primarily young people that work in those parts of the tourism and hospitality sectors - somehow they wonāt lose their jobs when the 65+ and Fat Bastards stay at home?? Absolutely, you āhavenāt deprived them of their freedomā, but bad luck for their day job. Arguably, thereās no ideal outcome there either way.
Sweden tried a version of it early on, card spending still dropped by 28%. The threshold for a number of the population for discretionary spending is unlikely to be the mortality rate that is seen as the significant metric by some TSF posters. Thereās certainly substitution effects going on in the various national economies. But, Iād say a significant number of people in countries with community transmission will base decisions like āshall we go out for dinnerā on āare we likely to get sick if we doā, not āwell, statistically I probably wonāt die...ā
How many people will do that? Some, yep - not all people, but enough to put the thin profit margins in many industries at risk. The substitution effect is also reduced if tradies canāt go into the homes of the 65+ and Fat Bastard to do the booming kitchen or bathroom reno trade. Etcetera.
About Sweden... just under a year ago it was all the rage, and some people were joking about wanting to move there. Sweden seems to have been quietly forgotten about, along with other lines like ābut more people die in car crashes [than with unrestricted Covid transmission]ā. I donāt agree with some of the details of ālockdownsā and travel approaches etc. But I wonder if some of the absolute opponents might do better to stick to a classic principled libertarian-based opposition, rather than jumping from one spurious claim to another.
One thought about the āwe need to develop herd immunity (without/before vaccines) crowdā. Presumably the wider the spread of Covid, statistically the greater the chances of new mutations like B1.1.7 and B1.351?
Maybe that wonāt matter much and any future mutations will be ājustā minor mutations. Or maybe it will change things substantially just as the science boffins had their vaccines on track. Letās hope not.
Mental health has rightly been a concern through this whole journey. I get the mental health pressures of young people ādenied socialisingā, kids not seeing their mates (Iāve seen that at home), and certainly the employment pressures etc.
However, I think there are also mental health implications of separation from the elderly/at risk. Let alone the impact of attending Grannyās funeral so soon after the funeral for their mate āSlimā in a herd immunity/ālet it spreadā approach.
Yes he ate too many pies, but you did quite like the bloke.
I donāt see there being any low-harm options there. Because viruses suck, and not seeing your mates sucks - but thereās not yet a solution to both that doesnāt involve some form of lockdown/border restrictions for a time.
I think there is genuine cause for optimism for about six to nine months time, Iām confident that vaccines, rapid tests, etc will get us to a point where Covid does become more manageable like āseasonal fluā and life finds some sort of new normal. I think the genie is irretrievably out of the bottle on new ways of work, which is a good thing too.
tl;dr: Covid sucks. Lockdowns and travel restrictions suck. But I donāt have much love for the current alternatives either. Bring on vaccines and new medical discoveries.
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@winger I briefly glanced at one article in which they were saying maybe the first Pfizer is good enough but itās presented as a 2 dosage vaccine. Who knows. I get the second in early March. If people are having problems, or more covid symptoms, it is with the second dose apparently.
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One of my biggest concerns is the longer the lockdown the more āaccceptedā it becomes that indoors in your home is safe, outdoors is dangerous.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
One of my biggest concerns is the longer the lockdown the more āaccceptedā it becomes that indoors in your home is safe, outdoors is dangerous.
I get this. I donāt want to be in a perpetual mask wearing society.
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@donsteppa Top post/rant/series of muddled thoughts.