Coronavirus - Australia
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I guess the other part of the issue here is that we are:
a. Down about 3m vaccines that never arrived from Europe, and
b. Seeing a bit of noise around the AZ jab come out.With both those things in play, you can sorta understand why they're not actively pushing people.to rush put and get vaccinated
Frustrating though.
And in Oz, as in NZ, the virus has a very low presence. So the motivation of the authorities to push the programme through is not so high
That said, I know two essential workers that have either had their jab or scheduled for one, so NZ is making progress on vaccinations
Good news!
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@kirwan My wife is in a residential hospital and has been told all staff and residents will get the jab this month. That part of the roll out is slow as many / most of the residents cannot give informed consent so they have to contact whoever has the Enduring Power of Attorney
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The Prime Minister said the country’s rollout was doing well relative to a number of other developed nations.
“At this stage in the rollout it’s actually better than where Germany was, it’s better than where New Zealand was, it’s better than where South Korea was and Japan was,” he said.That sums up the government - not at any stage does it seek to be the best, just content with being able to say we're not the worst. Useless fluffybunnies.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kirwan My wife is in a residential hospital and has been told all staff and residents will get the jab this month. That part of the roll out is slow as many / most of the residents cannot give informed consent so they have to contact whoever has the Enduring Power of Attorney
Yes, they seem to be targetting the right people and at a good pace. Sooner we have herd immunity, the sooner we can end these lockdowns.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I guess the other part of the issue here is that we are:
a. Down about 3m vaccines that never arrived from Europe, and
b. Seeing a bit of noise around the AZ jab come out.With both those things in play, you can sorta understand why they're not actively pushing people.to rush put and get vaccinated
Frustrating though.
And in Oz, as in NZ, the virus has a very low presence. So the motivation of the authorities to push the programme through is not so high
It's not much of a priority to the virus manufacturers either - protection of the vulnerable in countries with a lot of Covid has to outweigh healthy Australians and Kiwis desire for international travel.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I guess the other part of the issue here is that we are:
a. Down about 3m vaccines that never arrived from Europe, and
b. Seeing a bit of noise around the AZ jab come out.With both those things in play, you can sorta understand why they're not actively pushing people.to rush put and get vaccinated
Frustrating though.
And in Oz, as in NZ, the virus has a very low presence. So the motivation of the authorities to push the programme through is not so high
It's not much of a priority to the virus manufacturers either - protection of the vulnerable in countries with a lot of Covid has to outweigh healthy Australians and Kiwis desire
for international travel. make a living from tourismLets not minimise a real issue.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I guess the other part of the issue here is that we are:
a. Down about 3m vaccines that never arrived from Europe, and
b. Seeing a bit of noise around the AZ jab come out.With both those things in play, you can sorta understand why they're not actively pushing people.to rush put and get vaccinated
Frustrating though.
And in Oz, as in NZ, the virus has a very low presence. So the motivation of the authorities to push the programme through is not so high
It's not much of a priority to the virus manufacturers either - protection of the vulnerable in countries with a lot of Covid has to outweigh healthy Australians and Kiwis desire
for international travel. make a living from tourismLets not minimise a real issue.
One particular sector's woes down here are still going to be a lower priority than local death rates.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I guess the other part of the issue here is that we are:
a. Down about 3m vaccines that never arrived from Europe, and
b. Seeing a bit of noise around the AZ jab come out.With both those things in play, you can sorta understand why they're not actively pushing people.to rush put and get vaccinated
Frustrating though.
And in Oz, as in NZ, the virus has a very low presence. So the motivation of the authorities to push the programme through is not so high
It's not much of a priority to the virus manufacturers either - protection of the vulnerable in countries with a lot of Covid has to outweigh healthy Australians and Kiwis desire
for international travel. make a living from tourismLets not minimise a real issue.
One particular sector's woes down here are still going to be a lower priority than local death rates.
Yes, of course. Just didn’t like how flippant you were being about it.
Not quite as bad as calling a sector “cocky”. But not far off.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I guess the other part of the issue here is that we are:
a. Down about 3m vaccines that never arrived from Europe, and
b. Seeing a bit of noise around the AZ jab come out.With both those things in play, you can sorta understand why they're not actively pushing people.to rush put and get vaccinated
Frustrating though.
And in Oz, as in NZ, the virus has a very low presence. So the motivation of the authorities to push the programme through is not so high
It's not much of a priority to the virus manufacturers either - protection of the vulnerable in countries with a lot of Covid has to outweigh healthy Australians and Kiwis desire
for international travel. make a living from tourismLets not minimise a real issue.
One particular sector's woes down here are still going to be a lower priority than local death rates.
Yes, of course. Just didn’t like how flippant you were being about it.
Not quite as bad as calling a sector “cocky”. But not far off.
NZ and Aussie get better business relationships and family occasions. These are important, and worth working towards and celebrating now that it's here.
I think the net impact of tourism will be limited because Kiwis will go there in big numbers which will offset Aussies coming here. Closed borders created losers, but that was mostly offset by winners (both local tourism and other spending). Open borders creates winners but I think that will mostly be offset, not a large net gain.
The desirability of TransTasman travel is far more about our relationships, not tourism.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The desirability of TransTasman travel is far more about our relationships, not tourism.
I'd say it's allowing required travel back first (families, business), and tourism second. But there are 5x as many of them as us - so I suspect we'll do just fine out of this. In fact, I think we'll do better from Aus, than Aus will from us!
We should check back in 6 months.
It's also a dry run to a future where Covid is eliminated in coutnries and we join with them. It could well bea progressive green-zone system. Now we just need to offer it to the islands like the Cooks (0 covid cases) and keep opening up carefully and progressively
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It's also about allowing some bloody choice back into our lives. Want to travel and see your family? Who the heck are we to stop you, just know the risks. Want to run a business in tourism? Go for it, we'll get out of your way and you can compete on a level playing field with the others.
The idea that anyone would suggest keeping the borders shut to protect certain industries does not sit well with me.
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Mrs Boo had her Astra Zeneca'ed on Thursday.
Was chatting to the Nurse who said they were getting through just over 100 per day.
Doing some back of cigarette packet calcs, and assuming their turnover is typical, and Hervey Bay is representative of the population across Straya ...
... and assuming their throughput is typical all of the vaccine clinics
There are 6 clinics in Hervey Bay. That extrapolates to 600/day.
So to vaccinate our entire population would take 100 days. Which is 20 weeks. Which is 5 months. So September for everyone to get one dose. Repeat for second dose so February for completion.
Many much assumptions, but the numbers don't yet add up for an October delivery.
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Thinking about a holiday in July school break. Considering NZ, FNQ, or maybe just Nelson Bay a couple of hours north of Sydney.
Staying in-state removes the risks of Covid shit, pending vaccination status.
Come to NZ, I’m sure I got the last round and it’s your shout
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Mrs Boo had her Astra Zeneca'ed on Thursday.
Was chatting to the Nurse who said they were getting through just over 100 per day.
Doing some back of cigarette packet calcs, and assuming their turnover is typical, and Hervey Bay is representative of the population across Straya ...
... and assuming their throughput is typical all of the vaccine clinics
There are 6 clinics in Hervey Bay. That extrapolates to 600/day.
So to vaccinate our entire population would take 100 days. Which is 20 weeks. Which is 5 months. So September for everyone to get one dose. Repeat for second dose so February for completion.
Many much assumptions, but the numbers don't yet add up for an October delivery.
I personally don’t know why there’s so much attention of rushing the rollout given the tolerance level of any case is so low it’s ridiculous.
Internal border restrictions are instituted at the drop of a hat still.
And the whole crap about being left behind because other countries are opening seems stupid given the state of cases globally. Again look at what happens when there is one case of transmission. People like to throw out things like herd immunity, but that is not going to stop a McGowan or Anastasia, Dan or Marshall from shutting it down if there are still cases.
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@act-crusader I guess the counter, is that you'd hope these trigger-happy premiers would have less ground to stand on when trying to impose a lockdown for a case or 2 if half their voters were already vaccinated?
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@voodoo that might be their thinking, but the reality is that every country that has rolled out the vaccine still have cases. Some in great numbers. My main point is that there is no need to be so hung up with rushing the vaccine rollout whilst there are cases out there.