The Artist Formerly Known As ... RIP
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<p>I've not read or posted in the 'what are you listening to now' thread, while I like a lot of music, I'm like you in that I listen to what I like - my playlist for workouts and running is interesting, don't really care what other people think of it...</p>
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<p> I doubt I'd of known Eric Clapton if he stood in front of me either...Lzzy Hale or Taylor Momsen maybe...</p>
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<p>I did genuinely like Clapton when he was in Cream, some of their stuff was really decent but I think his work from about 1970 onwards was really turgid and dull, "Layla" and "Let it Grow" are fine songs but at the risk of antipodean labelling me some kind of musical philistine he just doesn't interest me. Most of his better known songs "Cocaine" 'After Midnight" "Knocking on Heavens Door" "I shot the Sheriff" are covers as well. Kudos to him for organizing the Crossroads festival, there are some awesome players who go to that but the man himself ? Rory Gallagher, Johnny Winter, SRV and Alvin Lee were far superior white boy bluesmen.</p>
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<p>Baron, pains me to say it but that story is hilarious. Hats off to you.</p> -
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<p>You could put this on every thread, changing musical for rugby.</p>
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<p>It'd still be a FUCKING POINTLESS EXERCISE.</p>
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<p>But thats why we are here.</p>
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<p><em>​Most</em> of us have some understanding of the dynamics of rugby and can fashion an argument to support a position.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure that's true of music. I'd be surprised if everyone who has commented on the technical ability of a guitarist is qualified to comment whereas we can all say x has really good pace, y's passing to the right really isn't good enough or z's lineout throwing is inconsistent.</p>
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<p>I can't play the guitar so any comment I make abot a guitarists ability will basically be limited to "I like the shit he/she plays" which is a pointless fucking exercise</p> -
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<p><em>​Most</em> of us have some understanding of the dynamics of rugby and can fashion an argument to support a position.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure that's true of music. I'd be surprised if everyone who has commented on the technical ability of a guitarist is qualified to comment whereas we can all say x has really good pace, y's passing to the right really isn't good enough or z's lineout throwing is inconsistent.</p>
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<p>I can't play the guitar so any comment I make abot a guitarists ability will basically be limited to "I like the shit he/she plays" which is a pointless fucking exercise</p>
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<p>I'm a pretty good player of both guitar and bass if I do say so myself, I can bash out a decent rhythm on the drums too. I think it's very easy to hear that "such and such" ( ahem Eric Clapton ) is one of the greats and as such adjust your awe levels to maximum in readiness before you hear him play. I know I did in the early 90s before actually forming opinions of my own. Hendrix justified the hype surrounding him and then some. EC never did to me from about 1992 onwards ( when I 'graduated' to learning songs from tablature on guitar mags, kids these days have it fucken easy compared to my day )</p>
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<p>I might say "shit that's easy to play" or "shit that's hard to play" if we were to discuss a guitar lead or whatever but it's all your opinion at the end of the day.</p>
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<p>I know that an AB or two has graced the fern but I think I'm safe to say the vast majority haven't marched out in the black jersey, a super rugby jersey or an NPC jersey. Doesn't stop people having their say on here.</p> -
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<p>Why ?</p>
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<p>Because of your claims on Clapton & Knophler.</p>
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<p>And because I was also kind of disappointed. I'm happy to agree to disagree on most things said, but there was no way I was going to stand for any claim about Gilmour being average etc. - I was ready for a stoush.</p> -
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<p><em>​Most</em> of us have some understanding of the dynamics of rugby and can fashion an argument to support a position.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure that's true of music. I'd be surprised if everyone who has commented on the technical ability of a guitarist is qualified to comment whereas we can all say x has really good pace, y's passing to the right really isn't good enough or z's lineout throwing is inconsistent.</p>
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<p>I can't play the guitar so any comment I make abot a guitarists ability will basically be limited to "I like the shit he/she plays" which is a pointless fucking exercise</p>
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<p>I think your posting on this thread is a pointless fucking exercise to be honest. </p>
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<p>You'd be surprised how many people on here do have a fair bit of technical ability when it comes to music.</p> -
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<p>You could put this on every thread, changing musical for rugby.</p>
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<p>It'd still be a FUCKING POINTLESS EXERCISE.</p>
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<p>But thats why we are here.</p>
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<p>Except Battle of the Bands where only one can win stops at high school. There's still only one rugby team that can win the S18/RWC/NPC....</p> -
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<p>Because of your claims on Clapton & Knophler.</p>
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<p>And because I was also kind of disappointed. I'm happy to agree to disagree on most things said, but there was no way I was going to stand for any claim about Gilmour being average etc. - <strong>I was ready for a stoush</strong>.</p>
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<p>I fucken hear ya, I've liked a few of Barons posts recently. I am sorry to disappoint.</p>
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<p>I've mentioned Clapton in the previous couple of posts and can't be arsed covering Knopfler ( tell you what, you go on about "awesome" playing and I'll shit on it, fair enough ? ) but Gilmours guitar work in that "Echo's" song ( the one in Pompeii ) is just epic beyond words. Having heard Dark side of the Moon about 50 million times I might be a tad sick of that though.......</p>
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<p>Bit rough on dogmeat though, whilst I'm one who has technical ability in music I'm not gonna have a go at those that don't.</p> -
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<p>Bit rough on dogmeat though, whilst I'm one who has technical ability in music I'm not gonna have a go at those that don't.</p>
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<p>I'm not having a go at his technical ability. I'm having a go at calling a discussion a PFE just because it's not of real interest to him.</p>
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<p>I'm pretty sure 95% of our wives (or husbands - not judging) would call our time on TSF a PFE.</p> -
<p>what does my ability (zero) with an instrument have to do with my ability to appreciate music? Similarly I have the artistic ability of a starfish, but I can appreciate art, and to go rugby, I never got beyond age group provincial stuff, but I can still watch and appreciate AB rugby, which is way, way beyond my technical ability.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="576270" data-time="1462152158"><p>at the risk of antipodean labelling me some kind of musical philistine he just doesn't interest me.</p></blockquote> <br> Steady on, what you like is up to you.<br><br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="dogmeat" data-cid="576271" data-time="1462152963"><p><em>​Most</em> of us have some understanding of the dynamics of rugby and can fashion an argument to support a position.<br> <br>I'm not sure that's true of music. I'd be surprised if everyone who has commented on the technical ability of a guitarist is qualified to comment whereas we can all say x has really good pace, y's passing to the right really isn't good enough or z's lineout throwing is inconsistent.</p></blockquote><br>Having played a bit and watched lots of rugby I can comment on players that execute core skills well under pressure, take good options etc. In the same way I can comment on guitar and piano players.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="antipodean" data-cid="576310" data-time="1462158710">
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Steady on, what you like is up to you.<br><br><br>
Having played a bit and watched lots of rugby I can comment on players that execute core skills well under pressure, take good options etc. In the same way I can comment on guitar and piano players.</p>
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<p>Well you did suggest that I die in a fire for not worshipping the ground Clapton and Knopfler walk on so I was covering my bases. Do I get positive points for saying Dave Gilmour is outstanding though ?</p> -
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<p>I think we can all agree this thread needs more Lizzie Hale .</p>
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<p>I prefer the one who sings that shitty song about doing it all night all summer.....</p> -
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<p>Except Battle of the Bands where only one can win stops at high school. There's still only one rugby team that can win the S18/RWC/NPC....</p>
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<p>S18 is all about participation this year. The more the merrier.</p> -
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<p>Buggered if I know . She is really hot though.</p>
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<p>Zara Larrson. Twenty years younger than me but I don't see an issue.</p>