Australian Federal Election
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Stephan Conroy makes my skin crawl. What a repulsive human being.
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“You grow the economy by making sure that when people are sick they can get to a doctor without having to pay a big co-payment fee upfront,†Shorten said. -
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<p>This is gold:<br><br>
“You grow the economy by making sure that when people are sick they can get to a doctor without having to pay a big co-payment fee upfront,†Shorten said.</p>
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<p>That could have been worded better... I'd have said productivity and therefore economic growth would be higher if people can afford to go to the doctor as often as required, rather than ending up in hospital because they can't afford to go to the doctor. Also, since prevention is normally cheaper than cure, it also means lower taxes or lower tax increases to fund the health care of an aging population..</p> -
<p>Well put Godder, it is well known in Health (where I work) that money spent on prevention and by managing chronic illnesses better is far more cost effective and it allows the hospital system to focus on those who are really ill. However, walk into any emergency room of most any hospital in the country and you will find people there who would be better off at a Doctor's office.</p>
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That could have been worded better... I'd have said productivity and therefore economic growth would be higher if people can afford to go to the doctor as often as required, rather than ending up in hospital because they can't afford to go to the doctor. Also, since prevention is normally cheaper than cure, it also means lower taxes or lower tax increases to fund the health care of an aging population..</p></blockquote>
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That's nice, but wasn't what Shorten said. He was combining his usual bs about "growing the economy" with an attack on the Coalition's attempt to introduce a copayment. That "big co-payment was $7 btw. I used to pay $25 when I lived in socialist paradise Norway. It's about the same in all of model Scandinavia as well. -
<p>And why a stupid amount like $7? Make it an even $10 and they don't have to worry about small change if paying by cash.</p>
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<p>Or just get it back at tax time.</p>
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<p>Stephan Conroy makes my skin crawl. What a repulsive human being.</p>
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<p>Yeah. He's no Dutton, though...</p> -
<p>People are stupid. They continually refer to the "free Medicare" as if no one actually funds the fucking thing.</p>
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And why a stupid amount like $7? Make it an even $10 and they don't have to worry about small change if paying by cash.<br><br>
Or just get it back at tax time.<br><br><br><br>
Yeah. He's no Dutton, though...</p></blockquote>
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<p>No, Dutton is actually competent.</p>
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<p>At anything in particular?</p>
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<p>I mean, he looks and sounds a dull twat of a man, but serving in the drugs squad probably makes you a humourless fluffybunny. Particularly in QLD where you're probably on the take, anyway ;)</p>
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<p>And, TBF, the media probably cuts out anything good he says or does.</p>
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<p>They certainly didn't miss him on the "water lapping at your door" comment - that was straight up his work.</p>
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<p>Oh and the old "illiterate refugees will take Australian jobs" line. That was a fucking pearler, completely ignoring the fact that the literacy of people seeking refugee status isn't that relevant. Or the fact that <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/18/fact-check-was-peter-dutton-right-about-illiterate-refugees-taking-jobs'>his own department disagreed with him</a>. </p>
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<p>In a similar vein, he denied the spying on Greens Senator Hanson-Young when she was visiting Nauru, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/immigration-department-confirms-sarah-hansonyoung-was-spied-on-20150609-ghk0kr.html'>which again the Department contradicted.</a> He referred to her as an "embarrassment to this country". Uh... yeah...</p>
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<p>Probably can lay a bit of the blame on Abbott and ScoMo for the refugee thing of course - a lot of the asylum seeker / people smuggler rhetoric was in place long before he mumbled his way into the Immigration portfolio. </p>
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<p>Still, he wasn't much chop as a Health Minister, according to a poll of Doctors who voted him the <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jan/12/peter-dutton-ranked-as-worst-health-minister-in-35-years-in-poll-of-doctors'>"worst health minister in living memory"</a></p>
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<p>Abstained from KRudd's apology to the Stolen Generation, which in a lot of ways is probably his most unworthy act, even over and above his gaffes and incompetence.</p>
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<p>I thought his accidental text to that journo, referring to her as a "mad fucking witch" was funny though - we've all been there! And he stopped that anti-abortion whacko from entering the country.</p> -
It can't be easy being immigration minister when you have a huge number of dickheads loudly advocating a return to mass people smuggling. <br><br>
I think he's doing a good job and his comments about that insane Greenie slag were right on the money.<br><br>
I agree that his "take errr jeerbs" line was bullshit". <br><br><br>
You want embarrassing, google Conroy and milk. -
<p>I can't really judge whether he's doing a good job, because it sits outside my day-to-day experience. I assume you're closer to the facts, or work in the Department.</p>
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<p>Still, gotta love the Schutzstaffel uniforms for Border Force - that's a bit of a winner if you want to look scary and important. Particularly if you want them to march around Melbourne, questioning people like its the Third Reich. Shame that got cancelled, really. Fucking leftard hippy protesters. How dare they defend our right to not be harassed on the street by authorities with no actual reason!</p>
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<p>I mean, shit... if Dutton was "doing a good job" then surely the people who are in the country are already here legally? After all, Abbott had successfully "stopped the boats" for nearly two years by that point.</p>
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<p>I don't think anyone is advocating people smuggling as a rule. That's your conservative approach to it. I want faster, better processing of refugees in a way that ensures we're meeting our obligations as an international signatory.</p>
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<p>As you pointed out earlier though: budget/economics is a big issue. </p>
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<p>So why the hell are we processing people offshore for nearly twice what it costs onshore? Surely a bit of onshore processing would result in some more jobs for Aussies too, while we're at it?</p>
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<p>I'll bet Cambodia is loving that $50M we tossed them for 5 refugees though. Fucking LOVING that. Corruption was never so easy.</p>
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<p>Why did you write: "stopped the boats"?</p>
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<p>Have they been secretly coming in but the guys in their SS (very classy btw) have hidden it from us?</p>
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<p><strong>"So why the hell are we processing people offshore for nearly twice what it costs onshore? Surely a bit of onshore processing would result in some more jobs for Aussies too, while we're at it?"</strong></p>
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<p>Probably because it acts as a very effective deterrent. I'd rather the cost of that than sending the navy out every day to pick up a new boat or dead bodies.</p>
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<p><strong>I want faster, better processing of refugees in a way that ensures we're meeting our obligations as an international signatory.</strong></p>
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<p>Feel free to offer some suggestions. Do you place refugees selected from UN camps and undocumented arrivals who paid criminals in the same boat (no pun intended)?</p> -
<p>I didn't say Dutton was a saint and it was you who, for some reason, compared Conroy to Dutton.</p>
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<p><strong>"So why the hell are we processing people offshore for nearly twice what it costs onshore? Surely a bit of onshore processing would result in some more jobs for Aussies too, while we're at it?"</strong></p>
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<p>Probably because it acts as a very effective deterrent. I'd rather the cost of that than sending the navy out every day to pick up a new boat or dead bodies.</p>
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<p>I suppose it looks like effective policy to the people who support it.</p>
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<p>I doubt whether the people targeted by it are even aware the policies exist. They're trying to survive as well as find somewhere they're not going to be in danger of dying. They find a smuggler, pay what they can, and aren't told otherwise. They'll probably just die anyway, or get sent back.</p>
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<p>Fucking glad its not me.</p> -
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<p>I suppose it looks like effective policy to the people who support it.</p>
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<p>I doubt whether the people targeted by it are even aware the policies exist. They're trying to survive as well as find somewhere they're not going to be in danger of dying. They find a smuggler, pay what they can, and aren't told otherwise. They'll probably just die anyway, or get sent back.</p>
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<p>Fucking glad its not me.</p>
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<p>I doubt they dont know about it.</p> -
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I suppose it looks like effective policy to the people who support it.<br><br>
I doubt whether the people targeted by it are even aware the policies exist. They're trying to survive as well as find somewhere they're not going to be in danger of dying. They find a smuggler, pay what they can, and aren't told otherwise. They'll probably just die anyway, or get sent back.<br><br>
Fucking glad its not me.</p></blockquote>
Ok Nick, let's go back to the RGR years when those compassionate policies you yearn for were so effective.<br><br><br>
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I doubt they dont know about it.</p></blockquote>
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Of course they know about. That's one of the reasons the boats have stopped. The idea that these people are completely clueless and blindly hand over their cash to people smugglers is laughable.