Steve Hansen extends contract
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<p>Laurie Mains' 95-97 team is one of the best sides i have ever seen. Seems like he did an alright job then, both selecting and coaching. Unless a donkey could have selected that team and coached it...</p>
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<p>Laurie Mains' 95-97 team is one of the best sides i have ever seen. Seems like he did an alright job then, both selecting and coaching. <strong>Unless a donkey could have selected that team and coached it...</strong></p>
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<p>Or John Hart</p> -
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Laurie Mains' 95-97 team is one of the best sides i have ever seen. Seems like he did an alright job then, both selecting and coaching. Unless a donkey could have selected that team and coached it...</p></blockquote>
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<p>ok i am so fucking lost</p>
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<p>wait, got it. wow. how fucking retarded from me. jesus.</p>
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<p>ok i am so fucking lost</p>
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<p>wait, got it. wow. how fucking retarded from me. jesus.</p>
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<p>Easy mistake to make to be fair.</p>
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<p>Here's a photo of Laurie Mains for future reference.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj1x_P2hY7OAhVDFZQKHf9aCTkQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmegomuseum.com%2Fcommunity%2Fshowthread.php%3F76147-Puppet-Making-Thunderbirds-Parker&psig=AFQjCNEV9Ft1qi0cSsE4ce4B8ujICvdPog&ust=1469516508984339'><img height="393" src="http://i.imgur.com/oKZzQ.jpg" width="271" alt="oKZzQ.jpg"></a></p> -
<p>Best news I have had this year, couldn't they have made it 2029 instead.</p>
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<p>Think I am going to more distraught when he finishes up than when Richie and DC called it a day. </p> -
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<p>I'm not sure what the issue is here, M4L is correct - that really was Mains' team that Hart took over and had initial success with ....</p>
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<p>(He even had Cullen on standby for the French tour).</p>
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<p>By that dubious logic it's not Hansen's team, it's Henry's......</p> -
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<p>By that dubious logic it's not Hansen's team, it's Henry's......</p>
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<p>And Mains team was Grizz's</p>
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<p>The bits of it that worked 92-94 certainly were (Brooke, Fitzy, Jones, Fox, Little, Timu, Jones, Loe)</p>
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<p>Mains was an outstanding coach, but a terrible selector. So many terrible players got randomly capped under him, then discarded. Guys got played out of position, good players got axed for no reason, he was awful. Once he got the right team, seemingly via a random selection luck methods he coached them wonderfully, but jeez he should never have been selecting.</p>
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<p>Greg Cooper is a great 15 & Matt is a great 13! Timu is a wing! Little at 10! Whoops, Gregs shithouse! Matts a 15! Nope Matts a 12! Is Foxy still around cause Little is very much not a 10. Timu's a fullback! Eric Rush is a wing! Nope Eric Rush can fuck off! Marc Ellis is a wing! Nope a 10!!! <em>Hell</em> nope, maybe a 13? Whats Blair Larsen? Could he be a wing?</p>
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<p>The Hansen era is almost a polar opposite, very few pig average blokes called up on a hunch, guys played in position, caps very hard to come by etc. </p> -
Great news, Hansen is the best coach at the moment in any sport for me. His record in terms of trophies, the style his team plays in and the manner they conduct themselves off the park have been outstanding<br><br>
The critics if they don't rate him, they don't know shit. Hansen manages to keep superb sportsmen with their feet on the ground and gives them huge confidence and gets them working as a united team year after year. Tactically he seems a step or two ahead of the more fashionable coaches most of the time too. No small achievement and it speaks volumes for Hansen's vision, intellect, determination, willingness to learn and integrity. -
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="sparky" data-cid="600155" data-time="1469442128"><p>Great news, Hansen is the best coach at the moment in any sport for me. His record in terms of trophies, the style his team plays in and the manner they conduct themselves off the park have been outstanding<br><br>
The critics if they don't rate him, they don't know shit. Hansen manages to keep superb sportsmen with their feet on the ground and gives them huge confidence and gets them working as a united team year after year. Tactically he seems a step or two ahead of the more fashionable coaches most of the time too. No small achievement and it speaks volumes for Hansen's vision, intellect, determination, willingness to learn and integrity.</p></blockquote>
Although many of your posts over-egg all things ABs, this post is spot on. Hansen is setting the standard as a coach/manager across all sports. There's a word for people that don't rate him, and it starts with E. -
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<p>I'm not sure what the issue is here, M4L is correct - that really was Mains' team that Hart took over and had initial success with ....</p>
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<p>As gollum said, 1992-94 was painful at times, mainly due to poor selections. And he didn't even mention the selection fuck-ups at halfback where Bachop was replaced by Strachan, Preston and finally Forster before bingo let's pick Bachop again in 1994.</p>
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<p>I think that because of the 1995 RWC Mains' tenure is looked on more favourably than it should be. The ABs might have played the best at that tournament but then proceeded to lose to France later in the year.</p> -
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<p>fuck-ups at halfback where Bachop was replaced by Strachan, Preston and finally Forster before bingo let's pick Bachop again in 1994.</p>
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<p>Oh god I'd forgotten 9.</p>
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<p>Jeysus he was an abomination as a selector.</p> -
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<p>Although many of your posts over-egg all things ABs, this post is spot on. Hansen is setting the standard as a coach/manager across all sports. There's a word for people that don't rate him, and it starts with E.</p>
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I heard Ted in an interview discuss his coaching career, and said in the earlier part of his international coaching ,Wales , Lions and earlier part of the ABs he tended to the dictator , telling everyone this is how we are going to do it,<br><br>But believed he became better when he started to give others, particularly the players , more input into how things should be done
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Envy?<br><br>
Just plain old denial mostly though I think. If you're an opposition supporter and you've just read that Hansen is staying on till the World Cup, it's probably natural to want to believe that he isn't a key cog in the All Blacks success.<br><br>
Of course once he retires, then the plaudits will start rolling in, along with how the All Blacks are now fvcked. -
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<p>I heard Ted in an interview discuss his coaching career, and said in the earlier part of his international coaching ,Wales , Lions and earlier part of the ABs he tended to the dictator , telling everyone this is how we are going to do it,<br><br>
But believed he became better when he started to give others, particularly the players , more input into how things should be done</p>
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<p>Wasn't it more that he abandoned the profanity laden rev up speeches before the game after Tana asked him why he bothered with them?</p>
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<p>A lot of it has to do with the cattle on the field and the coaching team off the field that he has to work with. He had to be a dictator in Wales as he had limited on field leadership, no established culture and limited assistants. Ditto with the Lions where his assistants were largely political appointments (Larder who went on to be the England defensive coach for their 2002-3 peak is the only decent one) - but if you watch Living with the Dragons and Living with the Lions you can see he definitely is more empowering and hands off than with Wales - he handed a lot of stuff he typically did with Auckland/Wales to Donal Lenihan - especially when it came to motivation etc.</p>
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<p>He's also talked publicly that the team culture in 2004 was an absolute shambles. If Ted had have come in and handed the reigns immediately over to the Marshall/Mehrtens/Thorne/Mauger leadership group it would have been a disaster. Only when they had set some standards and got the right people on the bus did they start transitioning to the model we have today.</p>
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<p>I'm still not sure why other countries don't look at the NZ coaching model, rather than the individuals. Get a couple of White, Penny, Meyer, McKensie, Russell, Pivac - even Deans and let them work together and sharpen each other - rather than getting one, then saddling them with inexperienced/unproven assistants and labelling them the messiah. Look at what Cotter/Schmidt were able to do together in European club rugby as a pair. When Eddie Jones and Jake White hooked up in 2007 it took SA to the next level. Wayne Smith and Dave Rennie linked up and completely changed the Chiefs in a season. There is so much quality coaching out there if an outfit like Ireland/Wales/Scotland were able to add one of those guys to their ranks as an assistant they would be immeasurably more threatening. The unions just have to pony up head coach money for an assistant.</p> -
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<p>Just because I like the phrase, shouldn't it be "Knowing what you don't know"?</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">This notion was summarised:</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:40px;"><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span style="font-size:14px;">"In February 2002, Donald Rumsfeld, the then US Secretary of State for Defence, stated at a Defence Department briefing: 'There are known</span></span><span style="font-size:14px;"> knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns</span></span><span style="font-size:14px;">. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know."</span></p>
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<p>The intelligentsia and the cognoscenti giggled like girls at this, seizing yet another opportunity to "Get George Bush, what a dope!" instead of listening, reflecting and understanding that it made sense.</p> -
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">This notion was summarised:</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:40px;"><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:10pt;"><span style="font-size:14px;">"In February 2002, Donald Rumsfeld, the then US Secretary of State for Defence, stated at a Defence Department briefing: 'There are known</span></span><span style="font-size:14px;"> knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns</span></span><span style="font-size:14px;">. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know."</span></p>
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<p>The intelligentsia and the cognoscenti giggled like girls at this, seizing yet another opportunity to "Get George Bush, what a dope!" instead of listening, reflecting and understanding that it made sense.</p>
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<p>I think it was </p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."</span><br>
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