Pumas v All Blacks



  • According to Stuff, Kaino could travel to Argentina but Aaron Cruden (and Cane) won't be in the travelling squad:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/84382130/all-blacks-assistant-foster-optimistic-kaino-could-travel-to-argentina



  • Does anyone know whether they will officially name a travelling squad, and if so, when?
    And when will they jump on the plane to Argentina?



  • @Stargazer it's in the article you posted 😉

    "Having already won the Rugby Championship title with two games remaining, the All Blacks fly out for Buenos Aires on Friday to prepare for their next test against the Pumas on October 2, followed by their final game of the tournament against South Africa in Durban a week later."



  • @taniwharugby said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    @Stargazer it's in the article you posted 😉

    "Having already won the Rugby Championship title with two games remaining, the All Blacks fly out for Buenos Aires on Friday to prepare for their next test against the Pumas on October 2, followed by their final game of the tournament against South Africa in Durban a week later."

    Ah, yes, that indeed answers my second question. I knew I should have read that article again!



  • I know DMac is going and expect him to get a trot



  • @WillieTheWaiter I'm not so sure.
    Listening to Grant Fox before the Hamilton game and he implied it would be the EOYT when DMac gets his run.

    Looking forward to this team naming, as there is sure to be some talking points after Shag all but said there will be changes.

    When is the team named BTW?



  • @Gunner it never gets old 🙂



  • @Hooroo said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    @Gunner it never gets old 🙂

    Forget about when the team is named, I just want to know from now when will the travelling squad be named?



  • Oh man! I just realised that we have a weekend off International Rugby!



  • @Hooroo said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    Oh man! I just realised that we have a weekend off International Rugby!

    Which is totally shit. Daughter has dance championships on this weekend (start of school holidays) which is a massive downer from rugby.



  • But at least it doesn't interfere with Rugby this weekend.



  • It's more the rugby doesn't interfere with the dance championships, which is great for daughter, not so great for Dad.



  • Yeah. The whole dance thing is lovely when your daughter is the age of mine (nearly 9) and you can appreciate the effort and talent for those who have it (she does).

    But once they start hitting 16+ and its a troupe of gyrating young women in the latter stages of physical development that it gets uncomfortable. One year the dance school concert started with the Open Girls (various ages from about 16-22) dancing in French Maid outfits.

    Lot of VERY uncomfortable Dads in the audience that day...



  • @NTA said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    Yeah. The whole dance thing is lovely when your daughter is the age of mine (nearly 9) and you can appreciate the effort and talent for those who have it (she does).

    But once they start hitting 16+ and its a troupe of gyrating young women in the latter stages of physical development that it gets uncomfortable. One year the dance school concert started with the Open Girls (various ages from about 16-22) dancing in French Maid outfits.

    Lot of VERY uncomfortable Dads in the audience that day...

    ......and creepy, bald Australians fapping away too.



  • @NTA said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    Yeah. The whole dance thing is lovely when your daughter is the age of mine (nearly 9) and you can appreciate the effort and talent for those who have it (she does).

    But once they start hitting 16+ and its a troupe of gyrating young women in the latter stages of physical development that it gets uncomfortable. One year the dance school concert started with the Open Girls (various ages from about 16-22) dancing in French Maid outfits.

    Lot of VERY uncomfortable Dads in the audience that day...

    And a lot of very uncomfortable Mum's later that night.



  • All Blacks travelling squad:

    Hookers: Dane Coles, Liam Coltman and Codie Taylor.
    
    Props: Wyatt Crockett, Charlie Faumuina, Owen Franks, Joe Moody and Ofa Tu'ungafasi.
    
    Locks: Brodie Retallick, Luke Romano, Patrick Tuipulotu and Sam Whitelock.
    
    Loose forwards: Elliot Dixon, Jerome Kaino (South Africa only), Kieran Read, Ardie Savea, Liam Squire and Matt Todd.
    
    Halfbacks: Tawera Kerr-Barlow, TJ Perenara and Aaron Smith.
    
    First five-eighths: Beauden Barrett, Damian McKenzie and Lima Sopoaga.
    
    Midfielders: Ryan Crotty, Malakai Fekitoa, Anton Lienert-Brown and George Moala.
    
    Outside backs: Israel Dagg, Waisake Naholo, Julian Savea and Ben Smith.
    

    http://www.allblacks.com/News/29818/all-blacks-squad-for-argentina-and-south-africa



  • they gonna leave Ofa in Argentina to learn how to scrum?



  • OK, so is Parsons injured, or been dropped for Coltman?

    Other than that, zero talking points really.

    Hopefully we see some rest and rotation: Tuipolotou, Elliott, Sopoaga, Moala, Naholo into the 23 please.



  • @Billy-Tell said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    OK, so is Parsons injured, or been dropped for Coltman?

    Other than that, zero talking points really.

    Hopefully we see some rest and rotation: Tuipolotou, Elliott, Sopoaga, Moala, Naholo into the 23 please.

    Wow, what a turn around from 2007, when people despised the words rest and rotation to now, when we're actually hoping for it.

    You're right though, time to give others a trot.



  • @Gunner Needs a happy medium: not the "different starting XV each week" style of 2006 (?), but as the coaches have already said last week, to keep people fresh for the duration of the season - especially that last test on the end of year tour (?France), where fatigue tends to make the match closer than it should be.



  • So going by that squad DMac is an injury away ( barret or Lima) from playing his first test , it does happen



  • @Billy-Tell well there are a few, not much to get outraged about like people seem to want but.

    Moala back. Will he get a run at 13 or will they stick with Fekitoa.

    Dmac in and one step closer to a debut. Wonder if they will want to give BB a rest at some point.

    Coltman ahead of Parsons. Most likely injury enforced. Are they going to rest coles at some point? Is Coltman capped yet?

    The lock situation. Pat T surely due a run. Probably only off the bench.

    Who else is due for a rest?



  • does that mean they only see Dmac as a 1st 5? Considering he's played about 2 games there for waikato and all his super exploits were performed from the back would seem a bit unlikely for him to get on the paddock at 1st 5



  • @WillieTheWaiter said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    does that mean they only see Dmac as a 1st 5? Considering he's played about 2 games there for waikato and all his super exploits were performed from the back would seem a bit unlikely for him to get on the paddock at 1st 5

    I don't think it necessarily means that's where he is definitely going to play. Since 2007 RWC, the AB coaches have had a thing about naming 3 or 4 1st 5s in the squad at all times.

    Naholo is back, it will be interesting to see what they do there.

    I think Moala is the best bench option. 12/13/wing

    Who's this Tuipulotu fella?



  • @WillieTheWaiter said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    does that mean they only see Dmac as a 1st 5? Considering he's played about 2 games there for waikato and all his super exploits were performed from the back would seem a bit unlikely for him to get on the paddock at 1st 5

    I think they see him as a 10/15 utility , although playing most of his super rugby at 15 with cruden there at 10, he names 10 as his favourite position . On this tour for balance of the squad , he may be more required to focus on 10



  • @NTA said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    Yeah. The whole dance thing is lovely when your daughter is the age of mine (nearly 9) and you can appreciate the effort and talent for those who have it (she does).

    But once they start hitting 16+ and its a troupe of gyrating young women in the latter stages of physical development that it gets uncomfortable. One year the dance school concert started with the Open Girls (various ages from about 16-22) dancing in French Maid outfits.

    Lot of VERY uncomfortable Dads in the audience that day...

    Happy to attend in their place...



  • @pukunui I think Hansen might use the next 2 tests to reduce the playing time for both Retallick and Whitelock. He could either move one of them to the bench in each test and start Romano in both or spell them completely in one test by using Pat T as the reserve.

    Of the other forwards, Read will have played the most minutes but he's the captain.



  • @Gunner

    Thursday, South American time...



  • @Unite said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    @Gunner

    Thursday, South American time...

    Next Thursday South American time 🙂



  • @Unite & Booboo, thanks for clearing that one up team.
    I hate not knowing when it's going to be named, I wish they'd be consistent for a change.



  • @booboo Did you factor in the change to daylight savings time (DST)? According to timeanddate.com, Argentina does not observe DST.

    I need clarity about my role in preparation for team naming but I can't go bone deep with all this uncertainty.



  • Musings on fatigue...I reckon the All Blacks season post June is quite player friendly, much more so than the grind of a club competition. We play 11 games in 15 weeks with four significant legs of travel (but two of those are in weeks we don't play - i.e. Auckland to BA and to Chicago).

    Sure, the footy is tougher, but in TRC they only play two weeks out of three. Our players have not had significant travel since the Saders, Chiefs and Landers were in SA in late July. We have been almost exclusively in NZ since then.

    The tough part of the schedule is the travel from BA to Durban , and to a lesser extent from Chicago to Rome, both of which are immediately followed by "test week".

    There are two weekends off around the dead rubber Bledisloe, and it is at home anyway.

    We play four weekends in a row on the EOYT, but we will probably see close to wholesale rotation in the game vs. Italy (2nd match of the EOYT). I guess the target for the top squad is the two Ireland matches, and then the final game in Paris is something of a wildcard (will France be any good, how knackered will out 1st XV be, are we shooting for an unbeaten season?)



  • Italy will be the best occasion to test a few uncapped players (the Ioane brothers, Nanai, MacKenzie, Coltman) off the bench or as starters.



  • Just booked my tickets for the Paris game, hope to see them cap an unbeaten season. I think we're better than we were in 2013, and the competition (globally, not specifically France) is worse.



  • @TeWaio said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    Just booked my tickets for the Paris game, hope to see them cap an unbeaten season. I think we're better than we were in 2013, and the competition (globally, not specifically France) is worse.

    Where did you get those from? Did you need to buy one of those packages from the NZ side?



  • @Kruse said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    @TeWaio said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    Just booked my tickets for the Paris game, hope to see them cap an unbeaten season. I think we're better than we were in 2013, and the competition (globally, not specifically France) is worse.

    Where did you get those from? Did you need to buy one of those packages from the NZ side?

    Work thing - being taken by a broker



  • @TeWaio said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    Work thing - being taken by a broker

    Dammit - that is a good option, but probably not one open to me just now. Bad timing to split with the broker ladyfriend.
    And now, even the package from AllBlacks Tours is sold out.



  • @Kruse We picked up tickets for the Italy match off seatwave or similar if you want to check those options out.



  • I'm jealous, I'd love to fly over for the France game. I looked online and couldn't find any tickets.



  • @Kruse said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    @TeWaio said in Pumas v All Blacks:

    Work thing - being taken by a broker

    Dammit - that is a good option, but probably not one open to me just now. Bad timing to split with the broker ladyfriend.
    And now, even the package from AllBlacks Tours is sold out.

    Eurostar from London was only £80 return as well! Absolute steal.


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