The Breakdown (TV Show)



  • It's fair to say I have struggled with Sky's midweek rugby panel shows since the demise of Reunion.

    However, I think this year The Breakdown is now pretty good.

    Got a good balance on the panel. Goldie, ex player and coach Kirwan, radio pro Rarere, print media guy Kayes (although he does struggle a bit with the spoken word).

    I used to struggle to watch it with Ian Jones having to combine standing up with speaking at the same time.

    But I'm going to combine this bouquet with a mini rant. Last week we had zero video analysis of how Crusaders negated Barrett's kicking game. (After having zero in game analysis of this topic by Mehrtens in the commentary).

    Yet last night we had 'video analysis' of Mo'ouga twirling in km/h. We had a momentum measure thingy in miles per gallon (I think). Or parts per milligram. Who knows, definitely some measure flashed on the screen.

    For heavens sake.

    You have access to all the TV angles. As seen in disproving the Franks eye gouge etc. Where was the extra video angles of negated kickpasses?

    More proper analysis , of interesting and actually important stuff please. Less measuring strange shit in random weights and measures and then bombarding the screen with this pointless crap. For no use at all.



  • @Rapido I think the good analysts are employed as analysts, which leaves commentators and failed coaches.



  • @antipodean said in The Breakdown (TV Show):

    @Rapido I think the good analysts are employed as analysts, which leaves commentators and failed coaches.

    Hah!

    There's only 5 teams though, 5 video analyst jobs .....



  • @Rapido said in The Breakdown (TV Show):

    But I'm going to combine this bouquet with a mini rant. Last week we had zero video analysis of how Crusaders negated Barrett's kicking game. (After having zero in game analysis of this topic by Mehrtens in the commentary).

    More proper analysis , of interesting and actually important stuff please. Less measuring strange shit in random weights and measures and then bombarding the screen with this pointless crap. For no use at all.

    One would argue that they're protecting their national treasure.. what if the Lions were watching ?



  • The Breakdown seems improved this year with the panel aspect - but Reunion is sorely missed.

    Not sure entirely sure what the point of the Breakdown ever has been - not convinced any of the panel aside from Kayes and Gibbit bother watching the non NZ games or watch the non NZ games a second time.

    Reunion seemed like a TJ passion project that somehow got turned into a TV show, The Breakdown at times seems like a lame attempt at a US style analysis show with everyone miscast. Goldie isn't charismatic enough as a host, Kirwan has no gravitas as a coach and Jones has no credibility as a technical analyst. So what is the point?

    Bring back Reunion with TJ showing alternate angle shots of Saffers throwing cheap shots and giving it to the ARU board - even if it means we have to sit through him crapping on about Tasman during the NPC.



  • @rotated said in The Breakdown (TV Show):

    Bring back Reunion with TJ showing alternate angle shots of Saffers throwing cheap shots and giving it to the ARU board - even if it means we have to sit through him crapping on about Tasman during the NPC.

    I think it makes a nice and positive change to hearing all about the woes of the Warriors and the Blues and the Auckland NPC team who go 49 points put on them...at Eden Park....by They-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. 🙂



  • I think because Reunion went on so long, and Tony Johnson got more and more Crusaders and Tasman obsessed as the show went on that we forget how genuinely good it was for a long time.

    Yes it got tired, but in its early days it did good wrap ups of all (including non NZ) games and previewed the games coming up and there was always little sessions where they discussed the story of the week and analysis of decisions in matches.

    I haven't seen The Breakdown as I'm Oz based but I remember when Reunion ended and they replaced it with a highlights show and that show with Ian Jones where all his words rolled into one. I basically stopped watching regularly but I remember they had some ok guests - they should have combined the shows.



  • @Rapido Back to the issue about analysis, for comparison's sake check out SuperSport's panel with Nick Mallett discussing shape:



  • @rotated said in The Breakdown (TV Show):

    The Breakdown seems improved this year with the panel aspect - but Reunion is sorely missed.

    Not sure entirely sure what the point of the Breakdown ever has been - not convinced any of the panel aside from Kayes and Gibbit bother watching the non NZ games or watch the non NZ games a second time.

    Reunion seemed like a TJ passion project that somehow got turned into a TV show, The Breakdown at times seems like a lame attempt at a US style analysis show with everyone miscast. Goldie isn't charismatic enough as a host, Kirwan has no gravitas as a coach and Jones has no credibility as a technical analyst. So what is the point?

    Bring back Reunion with TJ showing alternate angle shots of Saffers throwing cheap shots and giving it to the ARU board - even if it means we have to sit through him crapping on about Tasman during the NPC.

    Disagree with your comment about Goldie.

    I think he's an excellent broadcaster.

    My only quibble is that because he's such a confident and eloquent ex-player. He is a bit wasted as a host, if he has a guest/panelist ex-player who struggles to get words out.

    Even in the current panel set up which I complimented in opening post. It's a bit weird that goldie is facilitating the conversation for a radio guy and print guy to give the answer. You'd think it would be the other way around.

    Also disagree on Kirwan criticism, he's good. Gets his points across clearly. Plus he's been there done that as coach and player in many diverse environments, some successful and some not. I like hearing what he has to say.



  • @Rapido

    That's a very good point.

    Maybe Rarere might be ok pitching questions but as far as expert analysis goes, no.
    And I can only assume Kayes has dirt on someone.



  • @antipodean said in The Breakdown (TV Show):

    @Rapido Back to the issue about analysis, for comparison's sake check out SuperSport's panel with Nick Mallett discussing shape:

    Yeah. That's good, the sort of stuff I'm interested in, learnt a lot from that. No twirling speed measurements.

    Although I reckon they lost their way in that segment. I 'got it' from the video analysis. Didn't need the live action recreation on a cramped studio. They might be useful for showing cleanout or turnover techniques.

    Not a fan of standing and talking though. It's distracting. That clip did have a good standing distraction in it though.



  • @Rapido said in The Breakdown (TV Show):

    @rotated said in The Breakdown (TV Show):

    The Breakdown seems improved this year with the panel aspect - but Reunion is sorely missed.

    Not sure entirely sure what the point of the Breakdown ever has been - not convinced any of the panel aside from Kayes and Gibbit bother watching the non NZ games or watch the non NZ games a second time.

    Reunion seemed like a TJ passion project that somehow got turned into a TV show, The Breakdown at times seems like a lame attempt at a US style analysis show with everyone miscast. Goldie isn't charismatic enough as a host, Kirwan has no gravitas as a coach and Jones has no credibility as a technical analyst. So what is the point?

    Bring back Reunion with TJ showing alternate angle shots of Saffers throwing cheap shots and giving it to the ARU board - even if it means we have to sit through him crapping on about Tasman during the NPC.

    Disagree with your comment about Goldie.

    I think he's an excellent broadcaster.

    My only quibble is that because he's such a confident and eloquent ex-player. He is a bit wasted as a host, if he has a guest/panelist ex-player who struggles to get words out.

    Even in the current panel set up which I complimented in opening post. It's a bit weird that goldie is facilitating the conversation for a radio guy and print guy to give the answer. You'd think it would be the other way around.

    Also disagree on Kirwan criticism, he's good. Gets his points across clearly. Plus he's been there done that as coach and player in many diverse environments, some successful and some not. I like hearing what he has to say.

    Same here. I've been really impressed with how Wilson has come on as a commentator. That prick really is good at everything. And yeah, I agree he's wasted being the facilitator.

    Kirwan was a breath of fresh air when he first started as a talking head, earlier this season. But I just find he tends to be too dominant on the panel now. He's actually a lot better on that Feed the Backs Facebook show because he's a bit more chilled out.



  • And I must be well and truly in the minority, because I actually like Kamo on Sky, even back when he had his own half hour stats show. He brings a viewpoint no one else is covering and I just interpret the fact his words start to roll together as the excitement about the topic getting the best of him 🙂



  • @Rapido said in The Breakdown (TV Show):

    Disagree with your comment about Goldie.

    I think he's an excellent broadcaster.

    My only quibble is that because he's such a confident and eloquent ex-player. He is a bit wasted as a host, if he has a guest/panelist ex-player who struggles to get words out.

    Not saying Goldie isn't a good broadcaster - just miscast as a host. Same with JK, if he were cast as a devils advocate/blow hard guy that works great - but instead he is asked to comment from a technical or experienced coaching stand point where he struggles. Reunion generally had at least one of the IRANZ guys on and even if they didn't have the resume of Kirwan they brought a far more articulate analysis of the game.

    Enjoy Kirwan on FTB though, much more suited to his style.



  • I don't go out of my way to watch any of new Sky rugby shows, and usually only take an interest near the international season. That post-match show is cringe-worthy though.

    If you want an analyst get Mex back. He had his detractors as a commentator but was excellent in explaining what was happening on the field in Re:Union.



  • My old man was a big fan of reunion, I used to get these fairly frantic phone calls from him immediately after it ended sometimes for the quiz at the end of the show that went like this " who threw the last pass to Jonah to score the winning try in the first Bledisloe test in 2000? ..........Taine Randell?..... are you sure? Ok then". One time I went around to his place and we were watching the highlights of a 6n game and it became obvious that the teams had switched colours and Ireland were playing in red and wales in green, mum explained that the tv was just about rooted and rolled her eyes when the old man said there was nothing wrong with it once you got used to it. Anyway I got a phone call from him about three weeks later, he'd won that quiz after all those attempts and got a big screen tv , stereo and surround sound, he still watches rugby and the racing channel on it.



  • Just watching the Post Match show.. First time ive seen and man it's rubbish.. I cant believe they show this crap



  • trying to be the rugby version of the Matty Johns show on Monday nights.



  • @mimic said in The Breakdown (TV Show):

    Just watching the Post Match show.. First time ive seen and man it's rubbish.. I cant believe they show this crap

    Yep - back in NZ for a couple of weeks, first rugby I watch on NZ TV - has that tripe as the post-match analysis. W.T.F?
    A drunk (drugged?) actor trying to make as many jokes as possible, with occasional "guy down the pub" 'analysis'. I never thought I could dislike "Munta" - but he managed it.



  • The Rugby Report Card is pretty good. Much better than the regular Green and Gold podcast.


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