2018 All Blacks Test match venues



  • @mariner4life said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    Can't believe we are giving test matches to Shit Towns of New Zealand. Communism at its worst

    Can't argue. Now that Nelson has a test and Invergumboot is looking to bid for one, what's to stop that absolute dump in Rotorua bidding for a game? Then Whangarei, Pukekohe and hey why not Timaru FFS. IMHO if it isn't an enclosed arena (let's say at least 75% surrounded by stands) then it shouldn't get games. I'm sure some smarty pants can pick a hole in that, but basically I think tests should be limited to Eden Park, Rugby Park (Hamilton), Westpac, FBS and dare I say it - as it's also a dump but does qualify under my loose criteria - AMI.



  • @rapido said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @taniwharugby said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @rapido I think NP was the first provincial town (I am not sure NH can be considered a provincial town) to pick up an AB test in quite a while in 2008, v Samoa.

    Yeah. I would say the standard is at least 2 covered stands* down each touchline (Napier, Hamilton, New Plymouth) to be in the running to host a test match.

    I am very surprised that Nelson managed to get to host this. it will be 3/4 temporary uncovered stands. I wouldn't think you can set the ticket price high enough if that is the facilities you are offering.

    *Albany doesn't meet the 2 covered stands threshold, but it does have a very impressive looking hospitailty level on their one stand that I assume can generate enough revenue to make it worthwhile.

    My criteria goes a little further and would rule out Napier and NP probably, but not Hamilton.

    Your point re Nelson is largely why I disagree with small regional grounds getting tests ie lack of international class facilities, but I'd also add in difficulty in accessing those centres, and potential lack of accommodation. If I was a touring Argentinian fan, or Scottish fan or whoever ends up playing these games, I'd be pretty disappointed with the arrangement to be fair. I imagine they might feel a lot like the B&I Lions fans - and many travelling locals - did last year when standing on a muddy bank in Rotorua in the rain, not able to get to a beer or a bite to eat all due to third world facilities.



  • @shark said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @rapido said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @taniwharugby said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @rapido I think NP was the first provincial town (I am not sure NH can be considered a provincial town) to pick up an AB test in quite a while in 2008, v Samoa.

    Yeah. I would say the standard is at least 2 covered stands* down each touchline (Napier, Hamilton, New Plymouth) to be in the running to host a test match.

    I am very surprised that Nelson managed to get to host this. it will be 3/4 temporary uncovered stands. I wouldn't think you can set the ticket price high enough if that is the facilities you are offering.

    *Albany doesn't meet the 2 covered stands threshold, but it does have a very impressive looking hospitailty level on their one stand that I assume can generate enough revenue to make it worthwhile.

    My criteria goes a little further and would rule out Napier and NP probably, but not Hamilton.

    Your point re Nelson is largely why I disagree with small regional grounds getting tests ie lack of international class facilities, but I'd also add in difficulty in accessing those centres, and potential lack of accommodation. If I was a touring Argentinian fan, or Scottish fan or whoever ends up playing these games, I'd be pretty disappointed with the arrangement to be fair. I imagine they might feel a lot like the B&I Lions fans - and many travelling locals - did last year when standing on a muddy bank in Rotorua in the rain, not able to get to a beer or a bite to eat all due to third world facilities.

    I was at that game in Rotorua and while I was getting wet, beer and food was a doddle to get? (and I was in general admission). At least Rotorua has decent facilities outside the game in terms of hosting.

    For me, the reason for having AB tests in satellite towns is more for the locals who will easily fill the stadium in those areas.



  • @hooroo said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @shark said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @rapido said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @taniwharugby said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @rapido I think NP was the first provincial town (I am not sure NH can be considered a provincial town) to pick up an AB test in quite a while in 2008, v Samoa.

    Yeah. I would say the standard is at least 2 covered stands* down each touchline (Napier, Hamilton, New Plymouth) to be in the running to host a test match.

    I am very surprised that Nelson managed to get to host this. it will be 3/4 temporary uncovered stands. I wouldn't think you can set the ticket price high enough if that is the facilities you are offering.

    *Albany doesn't meet the 2 covered stands threshold, but it does have a very impressive looking hospitailty level on their one stand that I assume can generate enough revenue to make it worthwhile.

    My criteria goes a little further and would rule out Napier and NP probably, but not Hamilton.

    Your point re Nelson is largely why I disagree with small regional grounds getting tests ie lack of international class facilities, but I'd also add in difficulty in accessing those centres, and potential lack of accommodation. If I was a touring Argentinian fan, or Scottish fan or whoever ends up playing these games, I'd be pretty disappointed with the arrangement to be fair. I imagine they might feel a lot like the B&I Lions fans - and many travelling locals - did last year when standing on a muddy bank in Rotorua in the rain, not able to get to a beer or a bite to eat all due to third world facilities.

    I was at that game in Rotorua and while I was getting wet, beer and food was a doddle to get? (and I was in general admission). At least Rotorua has decent facilities outside the game in terms of hosting.

    For me, the reason for having AB tests in satellite towns is more for the locals who will easily fill the stadium in those areas.

    You were clearly in a better area than us then Hooroo. We were just behind and to the side of the concrete terraces, standing on a grassy/muddy bank. I would say outside of the stand and said terraces, this was the best place to be in terms of a view of the field. However because of the conditions, scores of people were standing on the only concreted areas available which were the concourses. This blocked access to the food and drink vans we could see in the distance, and made getting to the toilet block at the top of the bank look too difficult as well. So we went from 6 - 9.30pm without a beer or the ability to take a leek. We talked to Lions fans and overheard others talking about how crap the experience was.



  • @rapido my point on NH Stadium was more it's proximity to Auckland as opposed to facilities.

    IIRC the facilities NZR required (RWC & Lions) are more the Media and player facilities than covered/uncovered stands.

    Part of the problem @shark alludes to is trying to get more bums on seats (or feet in the ground) to make more $$$ at the smaller grounds...alot of people at the Lions game in Whangarei were standing on the grass banks, and while it didnt rain during the game, it had done, alot in the days leading in...I had heard mixed responses from people, with the biggest complaint being the wait for the toilets.



  • @shark Accommodation is also an issue for Dunners. We've looked at going to a test at FBS but buying a ticket seems to be the least of the problems. I've read stories, maybe on here, of people having to drive down from Oamaru which isn't ideal. Not a problem for the locals but for the out-of-towners?



  • @shark said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @rapido said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @taniwharugby said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @rapido I think NP was the first provincial town (I am not sure NH can be considered a provincial town) to pick up an AB test in quite a while in 2008, v Samoa.

    Yeah. I would say the standard is at least 2 covered stands* down each touchline (Napier, Hamilton, New Plymouth) to be in the running to host a test match.

    I am very surprised that Nelson managed to get to host this. it will be 3/4 temporary uncovered stands. I wouldn't think you can set the ticket price high enough if that is the facilities you are offering.

    *Albany doesn't meet the 2 covered stands threshold, but it does have a very impressive looking hospitailty level on their one stand that I assume can generate enough revenue to make it worthwhile.

    My criteria goes a little further and would rule out Napier and NP probably, but not Hamilton.

    If Addington and Hamilton meets your criteria then so does Napier and New Plymouth.

    Of them, only Napier has covered stands around 3/4 of the ground.



  • @rapido said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @shark said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @rapido said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @taniwharugby said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @rapido I think NP was the first provincial town (I am not sure NH can be considered a provincial town) to pick up an AB test in quite a while in 2008, v Samoa.

    Yeah. I would say the standard is at least 2 covered stands* down each touchline (Napier, Hamilton, New Plymouth) to be in the running to host a test match.

    I am very surprised that Nelson managed to get to host this. it will be 3/4 temporary uncovered stands. I wouldn't think you can set the ticket price high enough if that is the facilities you are offering.

    *Albany doesn't meet the 2 covered stands threshold, but it does have a very impressive looking hospitailty level on their one stand that I assume can generate enough revenue to make it worthwhile.

    My criteria goes a little further and would rule out Napier and NP probably, but not Hamilton.

    If Addington and Hamilton meets your criteria then so does Napier and New Plymouth.

    Of them, only Napier has covered stands around 3/4 of the ground.

    Yep, and for the 2014 test match they built (uncovered) temporary stands on the embankment. No problems with accommodation that I can recall either.

    New Plymouth wouldn't qualify at the moment, due to their earthquake safety issues.



  • @hooroo said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    For me, the reason for having AB tests in satellite towns is more for the locals who will easily fill the stadium in those areas.

    The June tests don't get many travellers, or an Argentina test, and these are the ones moved to the provinces. So, yes, definitelty for the locals.

    The main reason for having AB tests in satellite towns these days is that the test calendar has doubled sine the amateur era. 6 or 7 home tests, and there is spectator fatigue in the major centres. Although Auckland is now getting to a size where it can fill an All Black test maybe 3 times a year regardless. Although this may come at the expense of Blues attendances, but we don't really know as the Blues are doing their own best to generate dismal crowds. They had a chance to test my theory last year but instead they allocated South Africa to Albany.

    When Christchurch gets it's covered 30k stadium then the ratio of tests to provincial centres will dry up a lot.

    In the table I created last page, I was surprised at the low allocation to Napier given how much their stadium has been improved. They must be getting outbid by more aggressive bidders like New Plymouth/TRU. They really need to get in on this before Christchurch rebuilds.

    Going a bit further back:
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  • @shark said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @rapido said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @taniwharugby said in 2018 All Blacks Test match venues:

    @rapido I think NP was the first provincial town (I am not sure NH can be considered a provincial town) to pick up an AB test in quite a while in 2008, v Samoa.

    Yeah. I would say the standard is at least 2 covered stands* down each touchline (Napier, Hamilton, New Plymouth) to be in the running to host a test match.

    I am very surprised that Nelson managed to get to host this. it will be 3/4 temporary uncovered stands. I wouldn't think you can set the ticket price high enough if that is the facilities you are offering.

    *Albany doesn't meet the 2 covered stands threshold, but it does have a very impressive looking hospitailty level on their one stand that I assume can generate enough revenue to make it worthwhile.

    My criteria goes a little further and would rule out Napier and NP probably, but not Hamilton.

    Your point re Nelson is largely why I disagree with small regional grounds getting tests ie lack of international class facilities, but I'd also add in difficulty in accessing those centres, and potential lack of accommodation. If I was a touring Argentinian fan, or Scottish fan or whoever ends up playing these games, I'd be pretty disappointed with the arrangement to be fair. I imagine they might feel a lot like the B&I Lions fans - and many travelling locals - did last year when standing on a muddy bank in Rotorua in the rain, not able to get to a beer or a bite to eat all due to third world facilities.

    Nelson isn't difficult to get to - it has New Zealand's fifth busiest airport. It has lots of accommodation - half of Christchurch is here in the summer time and for the Argentina test, I'd guess the vast majority of visitors will be from Christchurch and Wellington.

    Trafalgar Park is basically two minutes walk from the central city and the bar precinct and there's heaps of free parking in the streets surrounding the ground. Much better relative location than e.g. AMI or Eden Park.

    Nelson has the highest sunshine hours in the country, so best prospects of a fine night of anywhere in the country (excluding inside FSB) and - in case not - they've even re-done the drainage and resurfaced the Park in the off-season (to keep whingeing fuckers happy). 🙂

    There's highly unlikely to be a howling gale and sideways rain like Wellington or ChCh.

    If they were wanting to host a game every year, then ticket prices vs facilities might be an issue - but for one game every five years I'd say "no problema". My tickets were $150 - same as the top price at Westpac Stadium for SA.

    Come to Nelson - it'll be quite good! 🙂