Sports Pay Gender gap...
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@stargazer all good stargazer
I wonder about the maternal "urge" for mothering rather than a pure choice though
Me and the wife can't have kids and the biological distress that caused seemed a million miles from a choice for her.
Not sure that biological differences are ever irrelevant, but alas the whole discussion has been dominated by people insisting on black and white solutions and understanding.
We're quickly losing the ability to reason
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@Stargazer political discussions often get heated, that's the nature of the beast and I wouldn't take anything personal. The problem with limiting yourself to only "real life" is that the people you spend the most time with share your political views, and you can end up in a bubble. That's been the beauty of the internet for me.
A couple of things: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by equality of outcome. Do you mean 50/50 representation across all industries, for example? Because there's a reason some are female dominated and some are male dominated, and it's nothing to do with sexism.
Gender Studies, which is where most modern feminist ideas come from today, very clearly has a Marxist agenda. I don't even think that's up for debate it's so obvious. Everything they espouse is straight from the Marxist handbook. No doubt there are still genuine feminists around though - look up Christina Hoff Sommers for example, I think you'd like her stuff.
On the challenge women face having a career and kids, that is all about biology. It doesn't affect men so much because:
- women have to spend 9 months pregnant.
- the baby is then completely dependant on he woman for the start of its life, up to 3 years if you believe the "breast is best" crowd.
- women are biologically tuned to want to care for the child they just carried, and so more often then not will take time off to do so.
My wife who is in a demanding profession has struggled to balance this. With women now in the workforce the economy has shifted - where in the past a single income has sufficed, that is no longer the case. This means women are now having less kids, not enough to replace the population which leads to the "aging population" we always hear about and all the problems that come with that.
That is the biggest challenge facing women in the west today IMO. It's not easily solvable, and it's having or going to have a real impact on society moving forward.
All this nonse about gender pay gaps, rape culture etc is distracting from issues that need addressing. If you want to protest those things then head to Iran, they're marching in the streets and rightfully so.
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When this kind of crap appears in the headlines the best response is to ask why the men's netball team don't get equal pay to the women's team. This is obviously because of disproportionate levels of interest and revenue, much larger market etc. It's pretty farking simple.
This whole AB captain vs netballers thing is as ridiculous as complaining that Tiger Woods' caddy earned more than every Super squad combined. Ffs these top salaries for men didn't occur in a vacuum. They came after decades, sometimes a century, of amateurism, part-timers and having to choose between focusing on sport or work. There are still an enormous number of top level athletes in a multitude of sports who barely scrape by. Just because the captain of a men's sports team (in a sport that was amateur until 1995) is earning good money does not mean that females in the same or a completely different sport are entitled to the big bucks as well.
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@rancid-schnitzel well said.
The real damage is that I'd assume every ferner here would want the netballers to earn more but the whole issue gets hijacked with totally lopsided and unrealistic finger pointing at totally different situations.Distilling all issues down to stupid comparisons seems to be the order of the day.
More fool us for trying to have intelligent discussions using our print media as a starting point i guess
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@booboo said in Sports Pay Gender gap...:
- The new women's professional leagues in Aus are most likely funded by the revenue generated by the men's side of the sport. Netball doesn't have a men's league to fund them.
Shouldn't they be funding a men's league at a loss?
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Wages in professional sports is determined by the market. If the sheilas can get the same bodies through the turnstiles for the same ticket prices and the same number of eyeballs watching their games on the telly, then they deserve equal pay. But that’s still a Big If. (And when that happens, it’s time for guys to start crying “sexual discrimination” when they are restricted from competing for those same prizes. Ha-ha!!)
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I reckon semi-pro is the dream middle ground.
Get paid, but don't get bored.
In NZ domestic market I think semi-pro is about the ceiling netball can get to.
The semi-pro ideal though is stuffed by;
- Aussie going fully pro on their own. Will leave nz behind at international level.
- Sky, as alluded to by Stargazer, wanting it to be a multi-night filler. So making it hard for some of them to fit in jobs.
Don't underestimate the attractiveness of semi-pro. Can only really exist in a sport with so few external pull factors. But Aussie netball must be feeling the heat in the explosion of Wonen's pro sports leagues that have mushroomed in Australia the last few years.
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Thought this thread might be better suited. Recalled @Rembrandt post when reading the following article:
@rembrandt said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:Transgender woman granted permission to play VFLW.
6'3" 100kgs... what a beast! Yay diversity!
She's an advocate based on being in the Army which has taught her girls can do anything if you use teamwork. I might note she's never been in an arms corp, so her experience that women can do the job is not based in reality.
Part of me (an admittedly dark part) actually wants to see deluded individuals trying to play collision sports against men. They might learn what we already know thanks to science.
I wonder if she'd still be an advocate after men take women's spots in traditionally female sports...
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That's gonna be a pretty short debate. Amazing how detached people can get from reality.
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@antipodean I couldn't even get to the end of that article, absolutely infuriating. These people are in charge, seriously things are fucked.
also as an aside I'd be curious as to the numbers watching the AFLW this year..got a feeling there might just be a dramatic drop-off excluding games where we get to see Terry the transgender knock 7 shades of shit outta actual women..for diversities sake.
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