Bokke coach ...





  • Bloody impossible job.

    This made me laugh -""I will not allow elements in SARU to wilfully destroy me and render me unemployable as was done to [former Springboks coach] Peter De Villiers."

    PDV did that all on his own.



  • @snowy said in Bokke coach ...:

    Bloody impossible job.

    This made me laugh -""I will not allow elements in SARU to wilfully destroy me and render me unemployable as was done to [former Springboks coach] Peter De Villiers."

    PDV did that all on his own.

    Yes! Thought the exact same thing.



  • de Villiers does, at least, have wins over the ABs on his CV (5 in fact).

    SARU seems to go from one crisis to another.



  • "I was the most successful [South African] Super Rugby Coach at the time of my appointment and was requested to return to Springbok rugby from Japan because my country needed meβ€š" Coetzee said.

    With a back row of Burger, Louw, Vermeulen, Center pairing of de Villiers, Fourie, Habana on the wing, your failure to win anything at super rugby level despite your embarrassment of riches is not a positive.



  • Rassie’s already been appointed. Has been for months. Just waiting for the formal announcements. Buh-bye Allister.



  • Allister is gonzo.

    South Africa Rugby, Springboks official twitter account announces:

    BREAKING: SA Rugby had reached an agreement with Allister Coetzee to part ways with immediate effect. The Rugby Department of SA Rugby will manage the responsibilities of the Bok coach until the coaching and management group for 2018 is confirmed later this month.



  • Has Rassie been comfirmed yet...?



  • I actually thought they were making good strides last year.
    Considering the messy selection problems they have to deal with they looked to have worked things out.



  • @crucial On the end of year tour they lost 38 - 3 to Ireland and lost to Wales. The only wins they had on tour were against Italy and a team who have since canned their coach too, France.



  • Gavin Rich has a commentary how Rassie could pave the way for . . . John Mitchell.

    https://keo.co.za/rassie-pave-way-mitch

    (Post-RWC. Says it might take a couple years.)



  • @salacious-crumb said in Bokke coach ...:

    Gavin Rich has a commentary how Rassie could pave the way for . . . John MItchell.

    https://keo.co.za/rassie-pave-way-mitch

    (Post-RWC. Says it might take a couple years.)

    A long journey?



  • Will be interesting to see how Mitch goes at the Bulls.

    He seemed to do pretty well with the US team and he's now in his mid-50s compared with being late-30s as AB coach, so you'd hope he's learned a bit in the interim.



  • The last two teams he coached in South Africa had mid-season player revolts. You'd have to be a complete idiot to hire him.



  • @tim Do you think the Blues management will be targeting him for next year if things don't go well for Tana? πŸ™‚

    He's certainly an "unusual character" - I read his book and can't recall all the details that led to that conclusion, but it was extremely firm by the end.

    I will watch his progress at the Bulls with interest!



  • @chris-b said in Bokke coach ...:

    @tim Do you think the Blues management will be targeting him for next year if things don't go well for Tana? πŸ™‚

    He's certainly an "unusual character" - I read his book and can't recall all the details that led to that conclusion, but it was extremely firm by the end.

    I will watch his progress at the Bulls with interest!

    You seem to have an affection for polarising figures promoted to coaching positions they don't deserve and aren't remotely qualified for - what are your thoughts on David Kidwell? πŸ˜‰



  • @nepia Kidwell?

    He'll probably be a good coach in 10 years! πŸ™‚

    On Mitch - I've got no skin in the game at the Bulls. I'm interested to see if he can do well.



  • @chris-b said in Bokke coach ...:

    Will be interesting to see how Mitch goes at the Bulls.

    He seemed to do pretty well with the US team and he's now in his mid-50s compared with being late-30s as AB coach, so you'd hope he's learned a bit in the interim.

    So you reckon he'll be taking sessions with the fullbacks to make sure they are holding the ball correctly when they run?

    I think he's proved he is a locker room c.a.n.c.e.r.



  • @canefan said in Bokke coach ...:

    I think he's proved he is a locker room c.a.n.c.e.r.

    I'm astonished he continues to get work even if it appears the most difficult aspect of professional coaching is getting that first head coach appointment.

    He must interview well.



  • @antipodean said in Bokke coach ...:

    @canefan said in Bokke coach ...:

    I think he's proved he is a locker room c.a.n.c.e.r.

    I'm astonished he continues to get work even if it appears the most difficult aspect of professional coaching is getting that first head coach appointment.

    He must interview well.

    He was the Hammetteur before Hammett!



  • Venter, the Boks backline coach, who is also the head coach of the Cheetahs, was asked by Rassie to choose one or the other, he ended up choosing the Cheetahs gig.

    That's the type of commitment the Boks need to get rid of - Good start.

    Rassie being picked up was a good choice from the Old Boy's Club, and solves one of the 3 main problems of Springbok rugby.



  • @pn isn't that Venter a bit of a loose cannon? That famous post match interview of his as an example.



  • @kiwimurph said in Bokke coach ...:

    t famous p

    I apologise, I meant Franco Smith, not Venter. Venter is the Part time Bok defensive consultant, he's also employed by Italy, and sat in the Italy box when playing SA for the past 2 years as defensive consultant?



  • @nepia said in Bokke coach ...:

    @chris-b said in Bokke coach ...:

    @tim Do you think the Blues management will be targeting him for next year if things don't go well for Tana? πŸ™‚

    He's certainly an "unusual character" - I read his book and can't recall all the details that led to that conclusion, but it was extremely firm by the end.

    I will watch his progress at the Bulls with interest!

    You seem to have an affection for polarising figures promoted to coaching positions they don't deserve and aren't remotely qualified for - what are your thoughts on David Kidwell? πŸ˜‰

    Looks like Hammer's influence on the Canes may be waning - and Mitch is away to a flyer! πŸ™‚

    🎣



  • @chris-b said in Bokke coach ...:

    @nepia said in Bokke coach ...:

    @chris-b said in Bokke coach ...:

    @tim Do you think the Blues management will be targeting him for next year if things don't go well for Tana? πŸ™‚

    He's certainly an "unusual character" - I read his book and can't recall all the details that led to that conclusion, but it was extremely firm by the end.

    I will watch his progress at the Bulls with interest!

    You seem to have an affection for polarising figures promoted to coaching positions they don't deserve and aren't remotely qualified for - what are your thoughts on David Kidwell? πŸ˜‰

    Looks like Hammer's influence on the Canes may be waning - and Mitch is away to a flyer! πŸ™‚

    🎣

    Waning? That was a very Hammetteur like performance, the closest they've come to that since Boyd took over, that will see them not make the semis.

    Re: Mitchell, we know the wheels will fall of soon, he's good for nearly 12 months before he loses the dressing room.



  • So the worst kept secret is confirmed with the announcement of Rassie Erasmus being appointed as Bok coach. Good appointment, but will ultimately suffer from the same flaws of Bok Rugby as his predecessors before him.

    Rassie Erasmus has been confirmed as the new Springbok coach who will lead the team through to the 2023 World Cup.
    
    SA Rugby made the official announcement on Thursday. Erasmus takes over the leadership reins from Allister Coetzee to become the 14th Bok coach since 1992.
    
    In a statement, SA Rugby said Erasmus will 'spearhead a streamlined but experienced Springbok management team until the end of the 2023 World Cup and will combine his Springbok coaching duties with his current role as director of rugby at SA Rugby'.
    
    Erasmus' all-new coaching team will be made up of defence guru Jacques Nienaber, scrum expert Pieter de Villiers and backs coach Mzwandile Stick.
    
    WATCH: Rassie Erasmus interview
    
    According to SA Rugby CEO Jurie Roux, the changes to the Springbok management team are the result of a very thorough review process of the 2017 season.
    
    'The Springbok team is our flagship brand and the on-field performances have a direct impact on the business of SA Rugby.
    
    'Following a very detailed review process of the 2017 season, I believe that we have managed to assemble a strong and experienced Springbok coaching and management staff. We are looking forward to seeing improved performances this season.'
    
    Erasmus, who re-joined SA Rugby at the end of 2017 following a brief but successful stint at Munster, described his new appointment as a tremendous honour.
    
    'It is a huge task to coach the Springboks and I am very privileged. I really believe we have the players and the rugby IP [intellectual property] to turn things around and to mount a serious challenge at next year’s World Cup.
    
    'We have 18 Tests and just under 600 days until Japan 2019 and although a lot of planning has already gone into our World Cup preparation, it is very important that we prepare thoroughly for the matches against Wales and England in June.'
    
    Meanwhile, two other experienced former staff members return to the new-look Springbok management set-up, Charles Wessels (head of operations) and Rene Naylor (physiotherapist), while Aled Walters will join the management team as head of athletic performance.
    
    Springbok management team:
    
    Head coach: Rassie Erasmus
    Assistant coaches: Jacques Nienaber, Pieter de Villiers, Mzwandile Stick
    Head of athletic performance: Aled Walters
    Technical analyst: Lindsay Weyer
    Team doctor: Konrad von Hagen
    Head of operations: Charles Wessels
    Physiotherapists: Vivian Verwant, Rene Naylor, Tanu Pillay
    Logistics manager: JJ Fredericks
    Media manager: Rayaan Adriaanse
    PR manager: Annelee Murray
    



  • Worst kept secret is right. Even the leak about de Villiers as scrum coach proved correct. Good on them, but what a laugh playing kabuki theatre trying to keep this under wraps for months. At least they never directly denied it.



  • What I find interesting is how each person in the bok managment are all assigned a super rugby side and tour with them throughout their campaign.



  • @pn said in Bokke coach ...:

    What I find interesting is how each person in the bok managment are all assigned a super rugby side and tour with them throughout their campaign.

    That would be a good thing though wouldn't it?



  • @hooroo said in Bokke coach ...:

    @pn said in Bokke coach ...:

    What I find interesting is how each person in the bok managment are all assigned a super rugby side and tour with them throughout their campaign.

    That would be a good thing though wouldn't it?

    Yeah, this is the first time that I have heard of it being done, and it does seem like a good idea. Spending around a month with each franchise can only strengthen the understanding between players and coaches.



  • It doesn't really matter now. If the ANC go for their land grab the Boks are over.

    Every decent player will get an overseas contract the minute they can.

    That the Boks are no longer the pinnacle just makes it more likely.


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