Crusaders vs Chiefs



  • What nonsense. If ducking makes you untackleable then it is impossible to tackle a diving player before the line.

    Blind doctrine.

    For me not even a penalty.



  • So how the hell is he supposed to stop the try, just let him score if he is diving for the line. Garbage rule needs to change.



  • @antipodean said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    Moral of the story; dive low at the line.

    Another to add to the list....fall or jump into tackles.

    Score?



  • @taniwharugby 33 23 after the penalty try



  • The rules are there for safety purposes but I fear every game I am going to be watching this year is going to have problem in and around high tackles which is going to hugely influence results.



  • Well that is two games that I have seen so far where these calls are ruining the game. Penalty try and yellow card?



  • @hydro11 said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    If Alaatoa is a red because ducking doesn't matter - that has to be a Yellow card and penalty try.

    If you want to bring that into then, I thought Boshier would have got the diving defence, attacker was diving so, so reduced to no penalty.



  • Thats fucked. Lead with your head and youre untouchable



  • P.S. A great game rendered a futile exercise by overzealous official.

    Very 21st century.



  • I was settling in to watch the Tahs v Stormers just because it’s some rugby, but I can’t be fucked now.

    Decent game ruined.



  • Might as well play tiddly winks..!



  • RC for Taimanivalu?



  • Fucking McKenzie.



  • Well deserved win to the Saders as it turns out.

    The Saders should be one of the better sides, but it looks like it is going to be a long year for us.



  • Wait, the shit barrett didn't drop that? Jesus...

    Patriots indeed.



  • Ive lost count of how many errors DMac has made tonight.



  • @gt12 said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    RC for Taimanivalu?

    Forceful contact with the head, it should have been.

    Who cares that M Mac almost fell into his knee, ‘falling tackler’ isn’t a defence these days.
    Who cares that it was purely accidental, contact with the head is contact with the head.

    Come on refs stick to the rules.



  • @gt12 said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    Fucking McKenzie.

    Chiefs fans will get used to saying that too now he's their first choice five-eighth.



  • No question the better side has won this evening,
    but all you ever ask for consistency from the officials,having watched all 4 x games..inconsistency in around the high tackle interpretation is already creating confusion for supporters and viewers.



  • @steven-harris said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    The rules are there for safety purposes but I fear every game I am going to be watching this year is going to have problem in and around high tackles which is going to hugely influence results.

    Except Steven that the laws aren't there for safety mate, they're primarily there to appease social and mainstream media, lest they lower rugby's appeal to corporate sponsorship.

    These administrators and lawmakers have made a pigs breakfast of the game since the last WC and their sole objective has been to placate social justice fuckwits who'd never travel to a game rather than the people who actually "own" and love the game.

    If you're fair dinkum about player welfare, then you start by decreasing the games played, not try to micro manage every fucking collision.

    That yellow and penalty try make the game barely recognisable, and random as a legitimate contest.

    A pox on them all



  • @siam said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    @steven-harris said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    The rules are there for safety purposes but I fear every game I am going to be watching this year is going to have problem in and around high tackles which is going to hugely influence results.

    Except Steven that the laws aren't there for safety mate, they're primarily there to appease social and mainstream media, lest they lower rugby's appeal to corporate sponsorship.

    These administrators and lawmakers have made a pigs breakfast of the game since the last WC and their sole objective has been to placate social justice fuckwits who'd never travel to a game rather than the people who actually "own" and love the game.

    If you're fair dinkum about player welfare, then you start by decreasing the games played, not try to micro manage every fucking collision.

    That yellow and penalty try make the game barely recognisable, and random as a legitimate contest.

    A pox on them all

    Quoted just so everyone can read that twice.



  • I'm sympathetic to the lawmakers on this one. The research from the NFL is terrifying and the physicality of the game is only increasing which will mean more and more concussion and head trauma. We can't just accept it as a cost of the game but there is clearly more work needed to get the balance right because I agree that the too often good tackles are being penalised.

    I don't think shortening the season will be a solution though since the nfl season is 16 to 20 games, or about half the length of the rugby one.



  • Pretty messy game compared to last night. But a few decent plays.

    I agree the high tackle card lottery is a fucking joke but that penalty try was the most clear cut example of a penalty try and yellow that you can get. It was a massive high tackle as he was diving for the line. If you can't see that you are blind.
    Heres how to stop him legally, don't hit him in the fucking head. If you need to let him pass slightly so you get him side on and he scores the try then tough shit. You don't get a free high tackle because he is diving to score.

    Ngatai was wasted at 15. But i guess he will be out for 6 weeks injured now. Cane awesome as usual. Dmac still doesn't look like a 10. Maybe 9 is where he should be, TJP style broken field play with goal kicking as a bonus.
    For the Crusaders Goodhue was good. Don't rate Bridge but a few good plays in the final 10 min.



  • @siam said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    @steven-harris said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    The rules are there for safety purposes but I fear every game I am going to be watching this year is going to have problem in and around high tackles which is going to hugely influence results.

    Except Steven that the laws aren't there for safety mate, they're primarily there to appease social and mainstream media, lest they lower rugby's appeal to corporate sponsorship.

    These administrators and lawmakers have made a pigs breakfast of the game since the last WC and their sole objective has been to placate social justice fuckwits who'd never travel to a game rather than the people who actually "own" and love the game.

    If you're fair dinkum about player welfare, then you start by decreasing the games played, not try to micro manage every fucking collision.

    That yellow and penalty try make the game barely recognisable, and random as a legitimate contest.

    A pox on them all

    I came on here to rant about the stupidity of the laws, but this sums it up far more eloquently than I could have. Spot. On.

    Too much enthusiasm to put people in the bin, not enough enthusiasm to look at what the players are actually trying to achieve.



  • @pukunui said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    Heres how to stop him legally, don't hit him in the fucking head. If you need to let him pass slightly so you get him side on and he scores the try then tough shit. You don't get a free high tackle because he is diving to score.

    That's spot on.

    Mainly, what I've seen this weekend is that if you hit people around the neck or head you're probably going to the bin. I haven't found it too confusing.

    Pretty scrappy game - useful points - onwards and upwards.



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  • @chris-b said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    @pukunui said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    Heres how to stop him legally, don't hit him in the fucking head. If you need to let him pass slightly so you get him side on and he scores the try then tough shit. You don't get a free high tackle because he is diving to score.

    That's spot on.

    Mainly, what I've seen this weekend is that if you hit people around the neck or head you're probably going to the bin. I haven't found it too confusing.

    Pretty scrappy game - useful points - onwards and upwards.

    What about if the defender ducks into it? That mitigates a swinging arm. I find that confusing.



  • @chris-b yea that's bullshit



  • @nepia said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    @chris-b said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    @pukunui said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    Heres how to stop him legally, don't hit him in the fucking head. If you need to let him pass slightly so you get him side on and he scores the try then tough shit. You don't get a free high tackle because he is diving to score.

    That's spot on.

    Mainly, what I've seen this weekend is that if you hit people around the neck or head you're probably going to the bin. I haven't found it too confusing.

    Pretty scrappy game - useful points - onwards and upwards.

    What about if the defender ducks into it? That mitigates a swinging arm. I find that confusing.

    If you're referring to the call on Alaalatoa, that was wrong and was remedied on the big screen - and he was correctly binned.

    There are going to be situations where a tackler sets himself for a perfectly legal tackle and due to a late action by the ball carrier - and zero fault of the tackler - he makes contact with the head or neck. He doesn't need to go to the bin.

    Refs will make fuck ups but the logic seems clear.



  • The ducking mitigation for Crusaders card was stupid and again highlights the lottery of the whole thing.
    One thing i might suggest is that diving to score is a more legitimate tactic than a deliberate dive or duck into a tackle or the farcical jump into the defence that the Lions got a penalty for.

    For me neither of the tackles that got yellow should be cards if they are in the middle of the field. However once Crotty was in the act of scoring it had to be yellow and PT otherwise you get a free swinging arm on any player who is scoring with the only "penalty" being the conversion being awarded automatically.
    The REAL problem is that the consistency is non existant and those same tackles will be red at some point this season if they are going by the letter of their shit law. That is what is killing the game.


  • Banned

    Law interpretations aside, I thought that was a pretty entertaining game. Impossible to say how the season will pan out after one game, but both teams showed some class.

    One thing is that DMac needs to show some vast improvements at 10. The raw talent is certainly there but there are way too many fark ups if he has ambitions of being an international 10. With Lima S pissing off it's BB and then about a dozen grand canyons.



  • Amazing whinging on here by the usual suspects.....

    Mackenzie should be at 15, ngatai at 12 Cooper is a shit coach.



  • Great atmosphere at the ground tonight too



  • Yeah looked like a good crowd, I was seeing Dizzee Rascal at Electric Avenue so watched delayed in my tired and emotional state.

    First two cards were fucking bullshit, Dmac runs brilliantly sideways before getting ragdolled, Cane needs to go for a run. The Bosh could have tackled Crotty under the arms, result would have been a try rather than a penalty try and a card, which is better surely? Scoreline was accurate.

    Smell ya later Chiefs.



  • Just finished watching. Thought it was a great game.

    Ref was very good. Tough decision for the PT and YC, but justified in law for sure (law might need a tweak perhaps, could have been PT but no YC).

    Feeling good about NZ conference this year.



  • @sammyc said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    Amazing whinging on here by the usual suspects.....

    Mackenzie should be at 15, ngatai at 12 Cooper is a shit coach.

    Who would you have at 10?
    I do agree Ngatai should be at 12. Fa'auli is trash





  • @mimic said in Crusaders vs Chiefs:

    @sammyc said in Crusaders vs. Chiefs:

    Amazing whinging on here by the usual suspects.....

    Mackenzie should be at 15, ngatai at 12 Cooper is a shit coach.

    > Who would you have at 10?

    I do agree Ngatai should be at 12. Fa'auli is trash

    Ngatai!

    But, seriously. Who else is there, fucking M-Mckenzie? Fuck that. Falcon may be amazing, but won't get a chance.

    We've tied ourselves to Dmac, so we'll have to eat him making bad decisions and us losing close games (or, as it turns out, not close games) and hope that this year or next he develops into something good.

    Or Falcon turns out to be awesome if he gets a run and can't be not selected. Those are the options, because if it is Marty, we are fighting for 10th on the table (or worse).



  • @rancid-schnitzel said in Crusaders vs Chiefs:

    Law interpretations aside, I thought that was a pretty entertaining game. Impossible to say how the season will pan out after one game, but both teams showed some class.

    One thing is that DMac needs to show some vast improvements at 10. The raw talent is certainly there but there are way too many fark ups if he has ambitions of being an international 10. With Lima S pissing off it's BB and then about a dozen grand canyons.

    Remember the days when we used to say ,

    'if we lose Carter we are in deep shit '

    its starting to feel like that again .



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    Looking at the penalty try last night, it reminded me of a similar one in the 2015 semi-final, where Jacques Potgieter got sinbinned, as the Highlanders were awarded a penalty try.


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