South African Politics



  • Looks like it’s really happening...

    The time for reconciliation is over’: South Africa votes to confiscate white-owned land without compensation

    “THE time for reconciliation is over. Now is the time for justice.” South Africa’s parliament has backed a radical motion to confiscate land owned by white people.

    SOUTH Africa’s parliament has voted in favour of a motion that will begin the process of amending the country’s Constitution to allow for the confiscation of white-owned land without compensation.

    The motion was brought by Julius Malema, leader of the radical Marxist opposition party the Economic Freedom Fighters, and passed overwhelmingly by 241 votes to 83 against. The only parties who did not support the motion were the Democratic Alliance, Freedom Front Plus, Cope and the African Christian Democratic Party.

    It was amended but supported by the ruling African National Congress and new president Cyril Ramaphosa, who made land expropriation a key pillar of his policy platform after taking over from ousted PM Jacob Zuma earlier this month.

    “The time for reconciliation is over. Now is the time for justice,” Mr Malema was quoted by News24 as telling parliament. “We must ensure that we restore the dignity of our people without compensating the criminals who stole our land.”

    [...]

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-time-for-reconciliation-is-over-south-africa-votes-to-confiscate-whiteowned-without-compensation/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc



  • Time to open the doors to let white South Africans flee as their capital runs out of water and the country attempts to emulate the economic prosperity of Zimbabwe.



  • Time to do everything to promote rugby in Australia and Japan, because SANZAR is on borrowed time.



  • @tim said in Religion, Morality and Political Correctness on campus:

    Time to do everything to promote rugby in Australia and Japan, because SANZAR is on borrowed time.

    Agreed. In a decade or so, we may need to once again prop up Australian rugby for our own survival. This will no doubt mean inviting them into our competitions.



  • There is nothing more human than the desire for revenge.


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    Christ that is sad. All Mandela's work was for nothing.

    I know a heap of South Africans through my sons' rugby teams and you can see the sadness in their eyes when they talk about home. Looks like I'll be meeting a lot more of them soon.



  • @rancid-schnitzel said in South African Politics:

    All Mandela's work was for nothing.

    That sentence struck me as being incredibly poignant.
    Well said



  • The Land Claims Bill was closed in 1998 by the ANC. It is with the meteoric rise of Julias Malema since his expulsion from the ANC, that he has reopened this issue in order to gain favour with the voters. The populist knows full well that there are simply not enough farms for everyone, but if you are destitute the offer is simply too good to pass up, as naysayers are labelled as white puppets working for white monopoly capital. He also knows that if the ANC don't incorporate this into their manifesto, the EFF will gobble up ANC voters.

    The problem for me, is that there is no distinction as to when the reverse racist policies are to end. The Apartheid tragedy resonates with the voter base and therefore politicians will continue to use it as a voting tool for retaining power. (As Zuma says, Until Jesus comes) I was 6 years old when Mandela became president, it is because of the above that my wife and I believe that it would be best for our son if we were to move.

    Incidentally, SA just got rid of kleptocratic Zuma earlier this month, and so the Rand is at a 3 year high. Not great for me as I had to send a wad of money back so have been stung both ways as we moved late last year.

    /2c



  • @pn Glad you are out mate. I've been hearing some bloody horrific tales of late.

    Sounds an awful like a recipe for complete economic collapse and genocide. I won't be picking that Rand to stay high for much longer.



  • @mariner4life The blacks (or ancestors) who passed that law never owned that land.





  • Shame.



  • @mariner4life said in South African Politics:

    There is nothing more human than the desire for revenge.

    Revenge on a specific individual that has done you wrong is an understanable human desire. Collective guilt is the worst kind of lazy thinking though, and nearly always leads to mass murder on a large scale. The Marxists are in charge and things are going to get an awful lot worse for everyone there before they get better, if at all.

    Very very sad situation.



  • You think "the marxists" or guilt has anything to do with this?



  • @mariner4life

    Yup, absolutely. The philosophy behind the ANC is the exact same one that was behind the likes of Stalin and Mao. In this instance they hold all white people responsible for past injustices - all white people are collectively guilty for everything that happened, so we are justified in oppressing and/or killing all white people.

    It's lazy thinking and based on Marxism - they want their bloody revolution. As a result we are (likely) going to see mass murder and their economy collapse, with potentially millions starving as a result. This has played out repeatedly around the world in the past century.

    You could argue it was bound to happen given the history in SA - the conditions were ripe for the Marxists to take charge.

    As I said, very sad situation.



  • @no-quarter the marxists didn't invent that tactic


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    "The motion was brought by Julius Malema, leader of the radical Marxist opposition party the Economic Freedom Fighters."



  • This will be worth watching and supporting.



  • Not for the faint hearted.



  • @mariner4life said in South African Politics:

    @no-quarter the marxists didn't invent that tactic

    Yeah, I'd say that kind of thing has happened throughout human history. But it was Karl Marx that first articulated the philosophy of a bloody revolution required to achieve a socialist utopia, which has informed the political ideas of so many people since.



  • @rembrandt mate, that’s hard viewing.



  • I wonder if Katie Hopkins visit was the final straw for Black South Africans?



  • @jegga said in South African Politics:

    I wonder if Katie Hopkins visit was the final straw for Black South Africans?

    I’m not getting led on this.



  • Okay, it’s the Daily Mail, but what a headline:

    'We are not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5443599/White-South-African-farmers-removed-land.html#ixzz58RHd6zYq



  • @mariner4life said in South African Politics:

    You think "the marxists" or guilt has anything to do with this?

    You think the Marxists dont? Read more on the issue.



  • It really fucks me off that the symbol this hideous woman has on her shirt is plastered all over the street that I live publicising the upcoming Melbourne Marxist conference. These people are cancer.



  • @rembrandt said in South African Politics:

    These people are cancer.

    I'm hoping a country (that I don't want to visit) becomes this Marxist dream of theirs and then we forcibly migrate them to it, close the borders and let them learn a valuable lesson.

    Before Whitey turned up, how did she think land was distributed in Africa?


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    @antipodean said in South African Politics:

    @rembrandt said in South African Politics:

    These people are cancer.

    I'm hoping a country (that I don't want to visit) becomes this Marxist dream of theirs and then we forcibly migrate them to it, close the borders and let them learn a valuable lesson.

    Before Whitey turned up, how did she think land was distributed in Africa?

    They're more than welcome to visit the socialist utopia of Venezuela they were wanking on about a few years back.



  • @rancid-schnitzel said in South African Politics:

    @antipodean said in South African Politics:

    @rembrandt said in South African Politics:

    These people are cancer.

    I'm hoping a country (that I don't want to visit) becomes this Marxist dream of theirs and then we forcibly migrate them to it, close the borders and let them learn a valuable lesson.

    Before Whitey turned up, how did she think land was distributed in Africa?

    They're more than welcome to visit the socialist utopia of Venezuela they were wanking on about a few years back.

    But, but, that's not REAL socialism!!


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    @no-quarter said in South African Politics:

    @rancid-schnitzel said in South African Politics:

    @antipodean said in South African Politics:

    @rembrandt said in South African Politics:

    These people are cancer.

    I'm hoping a country (that I don't want to visit) becomes this Marxist dream of theirs and then we forcibly migrate them to it, close the borders and let them learn a valuable lesson.

    Before Whitey turned up, how did she think land was distributed in Africa?

    They're more than welcome to visit the socialist utopia of Venezuela they were wanking on about a few years back.

    But, but, that's not REAL socialism!!

    Amazingly enough it never is.

    Anyone know anything about the SA army? I believe it used to be the strongest in Africa by some margin. Id imagine that most of the top brass is now loyal to the ANC.



  • @rancid-schnitzel said in South African Politics:

    Anyone know anything about the SA army? I believe it used to be the strongest in Africa by some margin. Id imagine that most of the top brass is now loyal to the ANC.

    SA Army is now a HIV infested joke, some troops were deployed to combat Congolese Rebels in the Battle of Bangui a couple of years ago, and got wiped out. I've seen photo's of Rebels rolling with SA Army vehicles!

    In the 80's the SA Army had developed the Rooivalk attack helicopter, which could stand toe to toe with the US's Apache. I believe they were We also had WMD's and are the only country to have relinquished nuclear technology.

    Now they are deployed outside of parliament during the annual State of the Nation address, to intimidate ministers and use signal jammers to prevent the press from documenting it's proceedings.

    Mugabe used the Zimbabwean army to keep his own people from voting against him.

    Here's a bonus clip of the SA Navy Commander telling us why SA needs Submarines (Spoiler: Because Sharks):



  • @pn That is proper fucked. Wasn't it zuma that said sleeping with a virgin cured HIV? With that many thick-as-pig-shit people in positions of power, coupled with a violent Marxist ideology how can there be any other result than mass suffering and death?

    Out of interest do you have any contacts in the farming communities? A group I'm involved with will be looking at doing some publicising of what is happening and maybe some fund raising if we can find a method that isn't a scam or won't be 'appropriated' by those mass murderers in wait.



  • @rembrandt Zuma like to fuck around outside his marriage and said he after having unprotected sex an hiv positive woman he had a shower which is all you need to do to avoid catching aids.

    There’s been a lot of aids deniers in South Africa too in recent years .

    It’s enough to make living in Palmetston north seem like an attractive option.



  • @rembrandt said in South African Politics:

    Out of interest do you have any contacts in the farming communities? A group I'm involved with will be looking at doing some publicising of what is happening and maybe some fund raising if we can find a method that isn't a scam or won't be 'appropriated' by those mass murderers in wait.

    My Father bought and bagged maize from farmers across the whole of the Eastern Cape so he will know most EC (Maize) farmers. At this stage the violence is concentrated in the top half of the country - Provinces like Nothern Cape, Limpopo, North West, Mpumalanga. I can speak to him if you'd like.

    Another great alternative is engaging with Afriforum a civil rights movement looking after white minority rights, specifically Afrikaaners. They've been tackling this issue as well as the infamous sport quotas.

    Personally, I would like to hear what the big bankers have to say regarding their 160 billion in loans to farmers. If the farms are taken, the bankers may have a difficult time trying to recoup that money as the property would belong to the state. Surely they are flexing their muscles behind the scenes somewhere?

    @jegga said in South African Politics:

    It’s enough to make living in Palmetston north seem like an attractive option.
    Mate, had I known Palmy was this hot, I would have brought my aircons with. 🌞

    The humidity is like Durban. The other colleagues which were also recruited are based in Wellington and their 40 minute commute is something I'm not envious of. I'll rather just commute for the 2018 final as I'm only 2.5 hours away.



  • A BRITISH LEGAL EXPERT'S OPINION ON EXPROPRIATION OF LAND WITHOUT COMPENSATION

    Response written by Mark Philip Malcolm Horn - London Barrister. * No one does business with a thief, and no one extends credit to a thief.

    "You can not have land expropriation without compensation. It is illegal in international law. It is contrary to a dozen treaties that South Africa has signed and ratified. As such, it is a principle that is also enshrined in South African domestic law. You can not change the Constitution therefore to make it legal - Treaty law is superior law, it always applies.

    The proposal, if directed at land held by the white community, would also contravene half a dozen international treaties, notably those condemning apartheid, that South Africa since the ANC took power, has signed and ratified.

    The same argument applies above, but now with the ironic twist that any such initiative would result in the ANC being condemned under international law for actions that the world would condemn as being racist.

    So no, it can not be done. When Mugabe tried this, the point was litigated. These were the legal conclusions. Now, Mugabe pushed ahead, so what happened?

    Well, the claims for illegal expropriation still are valid in law - at some point the Zimbabwean Government will need to pay them.

    The consequence of their illegal policy is not forgotten with time. If they ever want to be re-integrated into the global community, they will need to pay.

    As to the consequences of such a policy - Zimbabwe is a good example. There are no sanction on Zimbabwe. That is a myth. The only sanctions are those targeted on Mugabe and a few of his associates, and they are in place because of human rights abuses.

    The economy has crashed, there is a 90% unemployment rate, for the very simple fact that Zimbabwe has shown itself to be a thief. No one does business with a thief, and no one extends credit to a thief.

    You can not run a modern economy without access to the international market, and for that you need credit. The Zimbabwean economy has declined by 70% from what it was at independence simply because no one does business with a thief.

    So what would be the consequence of a policy of expropriation without compensation in South Africa? Well, as noted, such a policy would be illegal.

    The international community will immediately take note that South Africa has become a rogue state. That is not too much to worry, about, its just political. There are plenty of rogue states around the world.

    What would happen, however, in terms of South Africa's access to the international markets is of far more concern. South Africa would have signaled that property rights are insecure. That will mean that international investment in South Africa would come to a screeching halt.

    This has been happening for many years in any event - that is why South Africa is now ranked no. 7 in gold mining, when it used to be no. 1.

    It is why South Africa has a 27% unemployment rate, and a 50% youth unemployment rate. So the response could well be: "who cares, we do not need their investment". That may well indeed be true.

    But, that is not where the real crisis occurs. South Africa needs access to international financial markets because it has a trade and budget deficit. It needs access to international financial markets to pay for its bloated public sector, and to pay social grants to all those unemployed people.

    To raise that money, it needs the banks. Now this is where the consequences of a policy of expropriation without compensation hits home.

    Banks have, as is the nature of banking, highly leveraged Balance Sheets. They lend as multiples of the assets they actually have. They need to conform with the Basel ratio's. If they have a rise in bad debt, they can easily wipe out their Balance Sheets - they then become bankrupt, and they collapse.

    So what do you think will happen if land is expropriated without compensation to the Banks? The answer is, they will see a rise in bad debt, and they will collapse.

    That is not the end of the story. South Africa has seen its black population rise from approximately 2.5 m in the mid 19th century, to its current level of 50 m. The 2.5 m may be taken as the sustainable level of the black population without the benefits of colonialism, and of modern agriculture.

    That 2.5 m number is important, because only 13% of South Africa is suited for agriculture, and only 3% is high quality agricultural land. The vast majority of South African agricultural land requires the application of modern technology.

    Farming in South Africa is highly capital intensive. Farmers depend on bank lending not only to buy their farms, but also to provide essential working capital.

    So, what happens if the land is expropriated without compensation, if the banks then collapse? Well it means no one is able to provide the essential working capital. If the farms then collapse, then up to 95% of the existing black population is at risk of starvation.
    The banks can not access international markets, international lenders will not lend, South Africa then descends into chaos. At point, the international community would probably intervene military to restore order. As such, South Africa would have become yet another Failed State in the traditional African mold."



  • @pn said in South African Politics:

    @rembrandt said in South African Politics:

    Out of interest do you have any contacts in the farming communities? A group I'm involved with will be looking at doing some publicising of what is happening and maybe some fund raising if we can find a method that isn't a scam or won't be 'appropriated' by those mass murderers in wait.

    My Father bought and bagged maize from farmers across the whole of the Eastern Cape so he will know most EC (Maize) farmers. At this stage the violence is concentrated in the top half of the country - Provinces like Nothern Cape, Limpopo, North West, Mpumalanga. I can speak to him if you'd like.

    Another great alternative is engaging with Afriforum a civil rights movement looking after white minority rights, specifically Afrikaaners. They've been tackling this issue as well as the infamous sport quotas.

    Personally, I would like to hear what the big bankers have to say regarding their 160 billion in loans to farmers. If the farms are taken, the bankers may have a difficult time trying to recoup that money as the property would belong to the state. Surely they are flexing their muscles behind the scenes somewhere?

    @jegga said in South African Politics:

    It’s enough to make living in Palmetston north seem like an attractive option.
    Mate, had I known Palmy was this hot, I would have brought my aircons with. 🌞

    The humidity is like Durban. The other colleagues which were also recruited are based in Wellington and their 40 minute commute is something I'm not envious of. I'll rather just commute for the 2018 final as I'm only 2.5 hours away.

    Thanks for that mate, will definitely check them out. If you could get and share an insiders view of what is going on that would be great.



  • Just been listening to a live Q & A about the upcoming #Farmlands documentary. There has been a delay with Lauren Southern being expelled from the UK as an apparent racist terrorist... However on the unexpected plus side is that from that event she was invited to talk at the European Parliament and then in turn had a number of personal conversations with some high ranking officials of about 20 different countries in which she was asked about the situation in South Africa. Funny how things work.



  • Documentary should be out in a month. They've also had significant issues with DDoS attacks on their official website https://laurensouthern.net/farmlands/ the attacks apparently look more significant than you would expect from your local hacker group..read into that what you will.

    The documentary will be distributed freely on Youtube once completed. They will also sell physical copies at cost only. Seem genuinely far more interested in getting the word out there about what is going on and helping prevent a potential genocide rather than trying to make some coin on it.

    Not bad for a racist terrorist.



  • @rembrandt a hot racist terrorist


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    @rembrandt said in South African Politics:

    Documentary should be out in a month. They've also had significant issues with DDoS attacks on their official website https://laurensouthern.net/farmlands/ the attacks apparently look more significant than you would expect from your local hacker group..read into that what you will.

    The documentary will be distributed freely on Youtube once completed. They will also sell physical copies at cost only. Seem genuinely far more interested in getting the word out there about what is going on and helping prevent a potential genocide rather than trying to make some coin on it.

    Not bad for a racist terrorist.

    Or a right-wing nutjob or tryhard journalist.


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