Crusaders all time XV



  • @no-quarter said in Hurricanes all time XV:

    @Nepia yeah the pack is better than I thought it would be, though I doubt it would compete with an All Black laden Crusaders XV. It's the drop off in class from Beauden to our next best 10 that is massive if you exclude Cruds who played his best footy for the Chiefs.

    Realistically, Coles and Jerry would probably make a combined Hurricanes-Crusaders pack. Some of your other guys might not make the third XV! 🙂

    Crusaders 23

    Joe Moody
    Codie Taylor
    Owen Franks
    Sam Whitelock
    Chris Jack
    Reuben Thorne
    Richie McCaw
    Kieran Read
    Justin Marshall
    Dan Carter
    Sonny Bill Williams
    Ryan Crotty
    Nemani Nadolo
    Rico Gear
    Leon MacDonald

    Wyatt Crockett
    Mark Hammett
    Greg Somerville
    Brad Thorn
    Matt Todd
    Andy Ellis
    Andrew Mehrtens
    Israel Dagg



  • @chris-b said in Hurricanes all time XV:

    @no-quarter said in Hurricanes all time XV:

    @Nepia yeah the pack is better than I thought it would be, though I doubt it would compete with an All Black laden Crusaders XV. It's the drop off in class from Beauden to our next best 10 that is massive if you exclude Cruds who played his best footy for the Chiefs.

    Realistically, Coles and Jerry would probably make a combined Hurricanes-Crusaders pack. Some of your other guys might not make the third XV! 🙂

    Crusaders 23

    Joe Moody
    Codie Taylor
    Owen Franks
    Sam Whitelock
    Chris Jack
    Reuben Thorne
    Richie McCaw
    Kieran Read
    Justin Marshall
    Dan Carter
    Sonny Bill Williams
    Ryan Crotty
    Nemani Nadolo
    Rico Gear
    Leon MacDonald

    Wyatt Crockett
    Mark Hammett
    Greg Somerville
    Brad Thorn
    Matt Todd
    Andy Ellis
    Andrew Mehrtens
    Israel Dagg

    SBW? Really? Surely Aaron Mauger and Crotty would be the midfield.

    I would probably put Flynn at 2 as well. Maybe Berryman ahead of Nadolo too.



  • @chris-b said in Crusaders all time XV:

    @no-quarter said in Hurricanes all time XV:

    @Nepia yeah the pack is better than I thought it would be, though I doubt it would compete with an All Black laden Crusaders XV. It's the drop off in class from Beauden to our next best 10 that is massive if you exclude Cruds who played his best footy for the Chiefs.

    Realistically, Coles and Jerry would probably make a combined Hurricanes-Crusaders pack. Some of your other guys might not make the third XV! 🙂

    Crusaders 23

    Joe Moody
    Codie Taylor
    Owen Franks
    Sam Whitelock
    Chris Jack
    Reuben Thorne
    Richie McCaw
    Kieran Read
    Justin Marshall
    Dan Carter
    Sonny Bill Williams
    Ryan Crotty
    Nemani Nadolo
    Rico Gear
    Leon MacDonald

    Wyatt Crockett
    Mark Hammett
    Greg Somerville
    Brad Thorn
    Matt Todd
    Andy Ellis
    Andrew Mehrtens
    Israel Dagg

    Not a lot of weakness in that side. Would put most, if not all,international sides to the sword.



  • Maybe Todd Blackadder on the bench.



  • Vunibaka over Nadolo.



  • Afato So'oalo? Marika Vunibaka?

    Mehrts to start obviously, Carter covers 10, 12 plus from the bench. Locks are a tough one but you'd probably take Jack & Whitelock, Thorn beats Ali Williams to the bench.

    Sonny Bill did jack shit in Red & Black except build a "brand". Mayerhofler would be preferred.



  • both Crusaders and Blues threads arguing about midfield but missing a mention is the one class centre that won titles with both teams.
    Tony Marsh



  • @crucial said in Crusaders all time XV:

    Vunibaka over Nadolo.

    Forget all this Fijian flair. It wouldn't be a Crusaders team without slow and steady Ralph and Hamilton on the flanks.



  • Any room for this late (far too soon) great?

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  • @chris-b said in Crusaders all time XV:

    @no-quarter said in Hurricanes all time XV:

    @Nepia yeah the pack is better than I thought it would be, though I doubt it would compete with an All Black laden Crusaders XV. It's the drop off in class from Beauden to our next best 10 that is massive if you exclude Cruds who played his best footy for the Chiefs.

    Realistically, Coles and Jerry would probably make a combined Hurricanes-Crusaders pack. Some of your other guys might not make the third XV! 🙂

    Crusaders 23

    Joe Moody
    Codie Taylor
    Owen Franks
    Sam Whitelock
    Chris Jack
    Reuben Thorne
    Richie McCaw
    Kieran Read
    Justin Marshall
    Dan Carter
    Sonny Bill Williams
    Ryan Crotty
    Nemani Nadolo
    Rico Gear
    Leon MacDonald

    Wyatt Crockett
    Mark Hammett
    Greg Somerville
    Brad Thorn
    Matt Todd
    Andy Ellis
    Andrew Mehrtens
    Israel Dagg

    On first reading I'm trying to pick that to bits ... but I just can't



  • @booboo said in Crusaders all time XV:

    @chris-b said in Crusaders all time XV:

    @no-quarter said in Hurricanes all time XV:

    @Nepia yeah the pack is better than I thought it would be, though I doubt it would compete with an All Black laden Crusaders XV. It's the drop off in class from Beauden to our next best 10 that is massive if you exclude Cruds who played his best footy for the Chiefs.

    Realistically, Coles and Jerry would probably make a combined Hurricanes-Crusaders pack. Some of your other guys might not make the third XV! 🙂

    Crusaders 23

    Joe Moody
    Codie Taylor
    Owen Franks
    Sam Whitelock
    Chris Jack
    Reuben Thorne
    Richie McCaw
    Kieran Read
    Justin Marshall
    Dan Carter
    Sonny Bill Williams
    Ryan Crotty
    Nemani Nadolo
    Rico Gear
    Leon MacDonald

    Wyatt Crockett
    Mark Hammett
    Greg Somerville
    Brad Thorn
    Matt Todd
    Andy Ellis
    Andrew Mehrtens
    Israel Dagg

    On first reading I'm trying to pick that to bits ... but I just can't

    We've got them in the backs though.

    Meg
    DC
    Nonu
    Snake
    Lomu
    Umaga
    Cullen



  • Actually, I considered everyone who was mentioned (and many who haven't been, because they're all listed on the Crusaders website). But:

    Hammer vs Flynn was a toss-up.
    I opted for Chris Jack's lineout prowess over BBBT, plus Jacko was a hundred percent man for the Crusaders - never held anything back.
    I was vaguely tempted to play Kieran Read at blindside to include Cribb at No. 8.
    Midfield was the toughest choice - in eighteen months I expect to be picking Crotty and Goodhue, but it's a bit premature for that. Mauger, Laulala and Gibson all got considered, but SBW was good in his season for us, without having a substantial body of work.
    Wing - a toss-up between Nadolo or Berryman - both played the same role really as go to men. Norm was more successful in terms of titles, but I was lured by Nemani's extra size. Also considered So'oalo and Vuni - and Bubbles and Ralph, but I thought to go with the less controversial options! 🙂

    https://crusaders.co.nz/the-team/past-players



  • @chris-b said in Crusaders all time XV:

    Actually, I considered everyone who was mentioned (and many who haven't been, because they're all listed on the Crusaders website). But:

    Hammer vs Flynn was a toss-up.
    I opted for Chris Jack's lineout prowess over BBBT, plus Jacko was a hundred percent man for the Crusaders - never held anything back.
    I was vaguely tempted to play Kieran Read at blindside to include Cribb at No. 8.
    Midfield was the toughest choice - in eighteen months I expect to be picking Crotty and Goodhue, but it's a bit premature for that. Mauger, Laulala and Gibson all got considered, but SBW was good in his season for us, without having a substantial body of work.
    Wing - a toss-up between Nadolo or Berryman - both played the same role really as go to men. Norm was more successful in terms of titles, but I was lured by Nemani's extra size. Also considered So'oalo and Vuni - and Bubbles and Ralph, but I thought to go with the less controversial options! 🙂

    https://crusaders.co.nz/the-team/past-players

    I cant even see Nadolo on that list. Was looking for his points per game to see if they get near So'oalo and Vunibaka



  • @crucial yeah - looks like they've missed slotting him in so far.

    40 games, 27 tries, 143 points.



  • @canefan that's being pretty generous to Marshall...



  • @bones said in Crusaders all time XV:

    @canefan that's being pretty generous to Marshall...

    😉 He did win a bunch of Super titles, more than any of the others



  • @canefan said in Crusaders all time XV:

    @bones said in Crusaders all time XV:

    @canefan that's being pretty generous to Marshall...

    😉 He did win a bunch of Super titles, more than any of the others

    It's that kind of thinking that could get people pondering Macdonald over Cullen...



  • @bones said in Crusaders all time XV:

    @canefan said in Crusaders all time XV:

    @bones said in Crusaders all time XV:

    @canefan that's being pretty generous to Marshall...

    😉 He did win a bunch of Super titles, more than any of the others

    It's that kind of thinking that could get people pondering Macdonald over Cullen...

    Yeah. Nah...



  • Crusaders Cult XV

    Croczilla, Chicken Dance, Yoda, Max, BBBT, Reuben Thorne, Reuben Thorne, Reuben Thorne, Richie, Toddy, Meg, Mehrts, Azza, Gibbo, Bubbles, Stormin' Norman, Panadol



  • Vunibaka: 35 tries in 50 games for crusaders
    Gear: 39 tries in 75 games for crusaders and blues
    Nadolo: 27 tries in 40 games for crusaders
    Berryman: 15 tries in 30 games for crusaders

    so who would you really pick on the wings?



  • @bones If I remember correctly Leon was there because he was a better kicker than Carlos.



  • @comets said in Crusaders all time XV:

    Vunibaka: 35 tries in 50 games for crusaders
    Gear: 39 tries in 75 games for crusaders and blues
    Nadolo: 27 tries in 40 games for crusaders
    Berryman: 15 tries in 30 games for crusaders

    so who would you really pick on the wings?

    Yep, Hands Like Feet any day.



  • 1 W Crockett
    2 C Flynn
    3 O Franks
    4 C Jack
    5 S Whitelock
    6 R Thorne
    7 R McCaw
    8 K Read

    I think that pack picks itself. Only real options are Hammett for Flynn, Moody for Crockett and Thorn for Jack. A reserves bench of Moody, Hammett, Somerville, Thorn and Robertson is pretty ludicrous in a good way.

    9 J Marshall
    10 D Carter
    12 A Mauger
    13 R Crotty
    11 I Dagg
    14 R Gear
    15 L MacDonald

    Bloody hell the backs are hard. The lack of a stand out centre dictates the equal-best 12 plays there. Ellis is the clear #2 behind Marshall at 9, then this team really does not need a bench 10 specialist, but how can it not?? So Mehrts is in. This leaves one back reserves spot for a guy who must be able to play wing so it’ll be one of Berryman, Nadolo, Ralph and FABSH. A combination of sentiment, the desire to have a power wing available, the ability to also play centre and a completely different role to Crotty, and some crazy happy memories of tries against a really good Sharks team sees Stormin’ Norman take this spot.



  • @shark said in Crusaders all time XV:

    1 W Crockett
    2 C Flynn
    3 O Franks
    4 C Jack
    5 S Whitelock
    6 R Thorne
    7 R McCaw
    8 K Read

    I think that pack picks itself. Only real options are Hammett for Flynn, Moody for Crockett and Thorn for Jack. A reserves bench of Moody, Hammett, Somerville, Thorn and Robertson is pretty ludicrous in a good way.

    9 J Marshall
    10 D Carter
    12 A Mauger
    13 R Crotty
    11 I Dagg
    14 R Gear
    15 L MacDonald

    Bloody hell the backs are hard. The lack of a stand out centre dictates the equal-best 12 plays there. Ellis is the clear #2 behind Marshall at 9, then this team really does not need a bench 10 specialist, but how can it not?? So Mehrts is in. This leaves one back reserves spot for a guy who must be able to play wing so it’ll be one of Berryman, Nadolo, Ralph and FABSH. A combination of sentiment, the desire to have a power wing available, the ability to also play centre and a completely different role to Crotty, and some crazy happy memories of tries against a really good Sharks team sees Stormin’ Norman take this spot.

    No love for James Kerr? Surely he's never had to buy a beer in Cantab land for the last 20 years.



  • Now for an assembly of talent, how about an all-time squad of 38??? Ok don’t mind if I do......

    Crockett
    Moody
    Somerville
    Franks
    Hewitt
    Nepia
    Hammett
    Flynn
    Taylor
    Jack
    Thorn
    Whitelock
    Williams
    Thorne
    Blackadder
    McCaw
    Todd
    Robertson
    Read
    Cribb

    Marshall
    Ellis
    Hurst
    Mehrtens
    Carter
    Mo’unga
    Mauger
    Mayerhofler
    Williams
    Crotty
    Goodhue
    Ralph
    Berryman
    Gear
    Nadolo
    Hamilton
    Dagg
    MacDonald

    Crazy. I could have easily picked capped players over the likes of Nepia and Hurst but both made enormous contributions to Crusaders teams. A couple of one season guys demanded selection also via their deeds on the park, and a couple of young guys just starting to stamp their mark also make the cut. Given the size of this squad and the scratch nature of how I put it together, I’ve probably missed a couple of guys from consideration but even if I have it’d be hard to see where they’d fit in.

    The talent who can’t make my squad includes Sexton, Kopelani, Feek, B Franks, Perry, Maxwell, Ross, O’Neill, Lancaster, Romano, Gardiner, Taufua, two Whitelock loosies, Latimer, Tuai’ili (sp), Surridge, Senio, Drummond, Slade, Taylor, Brett, McIntyre, Alatini, Matson, Robinson, Laulala, Maitland, Guildford, McNicholl, Vunibaka, So’oalo, Havili’i and Lilley.



  • @shark said in Crusaders all time XV:

    1 W Crockett
    2 C Flynn
    3 O Franks
    4 C Jack
    5 S Whitelock
    6 R Thorne
    7 R McCaw
    8 K Read

    I think that pack picks itself. Only real options are Hammett for Flynn, Moody for Crockett and Thorn for Jack. A reserves bench of Moody, Hammett, Somerville, Thorn and Robertson is pretty ludicrous in a good way.

    9 J Marshall
    10 D Carter
    12 A Mauger
    13 R Crotty
    11 I Dagg
    14 R Gear
    15 L MacDonald

    Bloody hell the backs are hard. The lack of a stand out centre dictates the equal-best 12 plays there. Ellis is the clear #2 behind Marshall at 9, then this team really does not need a bench 10 specialist, but how can it not?? So Mehrts is in. This leaves one back reserves spot for a guy who must be able to play wing so it’ll be one of Berryman, Nadolo, Ralph and FABSH. A combination of sentiment, the desire to have a power wing available, the ability to also play centre and a completely different role to Crotty, and some crazy happy memories of tries against a really good Sharks team sees Stormin’ Norman take this spot.

    Well if you put Dagg to the bench he can cover wing,full back and of course the position 'everyone' wanted him to play 10.



  • @mn5 said in Crusaders all time XV:

    @crucial said in Crusaders all time XV:

    Vunibaka over Nadolo.

    Forget all this Fijian flair. It wouldn't be a Crusaders team without slow and steady Ralph and Hamilton on the flanks.

    Any of these clowns taking about an all time great team without the cart horse aren't real cantabs.



  • @shark said in Crusaders all time XV:

    Now for an assembly of talent, how about an all-time squad of 38??? Ok don’t mind if I do......

    Crockett
    Moody
    Somerville
    Franks
    Hewitt
    Nepia
    Hammett
    Flynn
    Taylor
    Jack
    Thorn
    Whitelock
    Williams
    Thorne
    Blackadder
    McCaw
    Todd
    Robertson
    Read
    Cribb

    Marshall
    Ellis
    Hurst
    Mehrtens
    Carter
    Mo’unga
    Mauger
    Mayerhofler
    Williams
    Crotty
    Goodhue
    Ralph
    Berryman
    Gear
    Nadolo
    Hamilton
    Dagg
    MacDonald

    Crazy. I could have easily picked capped players over the likes of Nepia and Hurst but both made enormous contributions to Crusaders teams. A couple of one season guys demanded selection also via their deeds on the park, and a couple of young guys just starting to stamp their mark also make the cut. Given the size of this squad and the scratch nature of how I put it together, I’ve probably missed a couple of guys from consideration but even if I have it’d be hard to see where they’d fit in.

    The talent who can’t make my squad includes Sexton, Kopelani, Feek, B Franks, Perry, Maxwell, Ross, O’Neill, Lancaster, Romano, Gardiner, Taufua, two Whitelock loosies, Latimer, Tuai’ili (sp), Surridge, Senio, Drummond, Slade, Taylor, Brett, McIntyre, Alatini, Matson, Robinson, Laulala, Maitland, Guildford, McNicholl, Vunibaka, So’oalo, Havili’i and Lilley.

    All those names and you still miss out a guy that won a title with the Crusaders and played 21 Internationals for France including a Grand Slam 6N win.
    I think he may just have been good enough to at least sit on the bench.



  • @crucial Did Tony Marsh even start any games? He was a bit of a role player until he made his name overseas.


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