Censorship and the Mosque Shooting
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@No-Quarter said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@No-Quarter said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
The photo that Whitcoulls apparently refers to for the removal of the book from their shelves.
Not stirring here, honest.
But could a Jordan Peterson fan tell me why he would take a photo with a guy wearing a t-shirt saying I'm a Proud Islamaphobe?
My honest answer to that is who cares? There's pictures of Obama with Louis Farrakhan, who is openly anti-Semitic referring to Jewish people as termites. Does that make Obama anti-Semitic? Should people demand shops stop stocking Obama's books? Fuck no, that would be absurd. And so is this.
My short answer is Whitcoulls.
Well, it looks like Whitcoulls were pressured by radical lefties to stop selling the book and decided they'd just bow to their wishes. So it is people that are intolerant of others views that care, and I'd like to see the general public tell those people where to go (like we do with Family First for example when they try to get books banned).
To be clear, and as I stated above, this decision by Whitcoulls in my view is absolutely idiotic.
The thing is though, if you are going to get your photo taken with your arm around a dude wearing that t-shirt, there may be repercussions further down the line, if thats not what your ideology is really about.
As pointed out by others, there are many many other books which should be tinned before this one. But he's probably the most high profile author, and therefore the easiest target. We can go on and on and on about the radical left as much as we want, but they exist (hell I'm closely related to one) and they aren't going anywhere. Islamaphobia is THE hot topic at the moment, unfortunately for all the wrong reasons. It's a bloody easy virtual signal for Whitcoulls to do this when that picture exists.
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What a ridiculous society we've become when we claim to judge a person because of a tee shirt he is standing next to for 5 seconds.
Think about the logic in that.
How the fuck is that an indication of anything? The virtue signalling about this is pathetic.
If this is a legitimate criteria for meamingfull judgement, then we're all going to lose
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@Siam said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
What a ridiculous society we've become when we claim to judge a person because of a tee shirt he is standing next to for 5 seconds.
Think about the logic in that.
How the fuck is that an indication of anything? The virtue signalling about this is pathetic.
If this is a legitimate criteria for meamingfull judgement, then we're all going to lose
Seriously, I don’t think many really disagree with you. But above is just not the point.
Question for JP supporters: Why is JP controversial?
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@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Siam said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
What a ridiculous society we've become when we claim to judge a person because of a tee shirt he is standing next to for 5 seconds.
Think about the logic in that.
How the fuck is that an indication of anything? The virtue signalling about this is pathetic.
If this is a legitimate criteria for meamingfull judgement, then we're all going to lose
Seriously, I don’t think many really disagree with you. But above is just not the point.
Question for JP supporters: Why is JP controversial?
He makes sense. That makes him a threat to extremists who have undue influence currently.
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@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
Question for JP supporters: Why is JP controversial?
Refusal to use personal pronouns, in violation of Canadian law. Faced immense pressure within his own campaus at University of Toronto. Then a tutor at a different university used a clip of him in debate on a tax-payer funded public television station and she lost her job. Canadians went, huh? How dangerous is this guy? So they listened and read, and went, ummm, these are perfectly normal beliefs and values. He made liberal SJW culture look clownish, narrow-minded and authoritarian.
That’s why he is controversial.
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@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
Question for JP supporters: Why is JP controversial?
I'm not one of his fanboys (I think he's a net good but he gets a lot wrong)
I think it's basically because he has fundamental disagreements with the post modernism that is now popular with large parts of the left.
Remember your thread about you and your sister having an argument where you were both playing by different rules? You were on the standard enlightenment side (reason, logic, some things being objectively true) she was on the post modern side (individuals have their own truths, reason and logic are stained with white male supremacy and should be dismissed... "you'll never understand")
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
Question for JP supporters: Why is JP controversial?
Refusal to use personal pronouns, in violation of Canadian law. Faced immense pressure within his own campaus at University of Toronto. Then a tutor at a different university used a clip of him in debate on a tax-payer funded public television station and she lost her job. Canadians went, huh? How dangerous is this guy? So they listened and read, and went, ummm, these are perfectly normal beliefs and values. He made liberal SJW culture look clownish, narrow-minded and authoritarian.
That’s why he is controversial.
Right answer to the wrong question.
Don’t necessarily disagree tho.
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@Duluth said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
Question for JP supporters: Why is JP controversial?
I'm not one of his fanboys (I think he's a net good but he gets a lot wrong)
I think it's basically because he has fundamental disagreements with the post modernism that is now popular with large parts of the left.
Remember your thread about you and your sister having an argument where you were both playing by different rules? You were on the standard enlightenment side (reason, logic, some things being objectively true) she was on the post modern side (individuals have their own truths, reason and logic are stained with white male supremacy and should be dismissed... "you'll never understand")
It's the same disagreement on a larger scaleThat’s a fantastic post.
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@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Siam said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
What a ridiculous society we've become when we claim to judge a person because of a tee shirt he is standing next to for 5 seconds.
Think about the logic in that.
How the fuck is that an indication of anything? The virtue signalling about this is pathetic.
If this is a legitimate criteria for meamingfull judgement, then we're all going to lose
Seriously, I don’t think many really disagree with you. But above is just not the point.
Question for JP supporters: Why is JP controversial?
Because mainstream media, once a trusted source if truth and reason, screams the loudest, and right into living rooms
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@Siam said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Siam said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
What a ridiculous society we've become when we claim to judge a person because of a tee shirt he is standing next to for 5 seconds.
Think about the logic in that.
How the fuck is that an indication of anything? The virtue signalling about this is pathetic.
If this is a legitimate criteria for meamingfull judgement, then we're all going to lose
Seriously, I don’t think many really disagree with you. But above is just not the point.
Question for JP supporters: Why is JP controversial?
Because mainstream media screams the loudest, and right into living rooms in evenings
Not accurate or close to the point.
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@MajorRage yes it is. In this instance the communication vessel is more effective than the truth.
Anyone can see the flaws in the JP is bad argument, yet the transmission of that flawed message becomes more pertinent than the truth
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@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
Last question:
Why is the photo above different to one with a guy wearing a swastika t shirt?
Bad faith question. Why is it the same?
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@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
Not accurate or close to the point.
Nope. It’s totally accurate.
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So I'm a criminal now in this country.
Is NZ trying to combat facism by implementing it?
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Chief Censor David Shanks:
"If you have a copy of this publication, delete or destroy it. If you see it, report it. Do not support the murderous objectives of its author by republishing or distributing it."However, Shanks said the office appreciated there would be a range of people who would be in possession of the document for "legitimate" purposes, including education, analysis and in-depth reporting.
"Those individuals can apply for exemptions, so they can legitimately access and hold a copy."
Shanks said anyone who sees the document online should report it immediately.
I want to read it to better understand this psychopath. I watched the video to see what an incident like this looks like so that I'm not "deer in the headlights" like some were. I noted what gunfire sounds like, the need to never, never be stationary in such a circumstance, the split second cognisance required when you see a guy in army fancy dress on a given afternoon.
I get that some don't want see it, or the manifesto cool, ok. But banning it suggests you think I'm going to read it and be compelled to copy, how dare you associate that with the NZ populace. The arrogance that says, "you're not mature or intelligent enough to learn from this, according to me".
For the first time in my 50 years, I'm ashamed of my country. It's not a nice feeling.
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@Siam said in NZ Politics:
I get that some don't want see it, or the manifesto cool, ok. But banning it suggests you think I'm going to read it and be compelled to copy, how dare you associate that with the NZ populace. The arrogance that says, "you're not mature or intelligent enough to learn from this, according to me".
For the first time in my 50 years, I'm ashamed of my country
I agree. Banning the video as offensive - no problem. Banning the manifesto? Fark that, the answer to free speech you don't like is more speech.
Anyone who wants to read it can access it through the internet. It is not going to stop people. By banning it, you can't point out the idiocy of it, and it gives it a certain glamour.
I had a mate who kept a copy of the anarchist's cookbook with cookbooks in the kitchen. Banning. Does. Not. Work..
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I have no interest in seeing any of the video. Zero. I’m fine with a ban on that. But a ban on the manifesto...? Stop treating me like an infant.