RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A)



  • If I were an Irish fan, I'd be worrying about this: Typhoon Hagibis

    Too soon to tell, but it could end up being a washed out game: 0:0 draw.



  • @Billy-Webb
    So if Ireland gets 2 points for a draw, Scotland has 2 wins with 1 BP, Scotland and Japan go through. Crazy.



  • @mofitzy_ Yup, that's pretty much how it would be likely to play out if the game gets called off. But I think that's still highly unlikely. No-one is certain about the path of the Typhoon right now, plus my understanding is they do have the Sunday on stand-by if the Saturday gets cancelled (assuming the next day would be fine?).

    Would be a really shitty way to get knocked out of the RWC which I wouldn't wish on anyone.



  • @Billy-Webb said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @mofitzy_ Yup, that's pretty much how it would be likely to play out if the game gets called off. But I think that's still highly unlikely. No-one is certain about the path of the Typhoon right now, plus my understanding is they do have the Sunday on stand-by if the Saturday gets cancelled (assuming the next day would be fine?).

    Would be a really shitty way to get knocked out of the RWC which I wouldn't wish on anyone.

    One day I hope to be less of a fluffybunny and be as charitable and understanding as you . In the meantime if the typhoon canceled the game and knocked out the Irish I would laugh like a loon .



  • Love to see Samoa win this and Ireland go out.



  • @sparky sadly, havent seen anything from Samoa to indicate they will get close.



  • @taniwharugby said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @sparky sadly, havent seen anything from Samoa to indicate they will get close.

    There is a decent starting XV in the squad but we just haven’t seen it.

    That Japan game was classic for this Samoan side, passages of positive forward dominated rugby but surrounded by amateurish play that lacked organisation and very little cohesion.

    It’s symptomatic IMO of them not playing a whole together and the lack of trust within the squad.



  • @jegga said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Billy-Webb said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @mofitzy_ Yup, that's pretty much how it would be likely to play out if the game gets called off. But I think that's still highly unlikely. No-one is certain about the path of the Typhoon right now, plus my understanding is they do have the Sunday on stand-by if the Saturday gets cancelled (assuming the next day would be fine?).

    Would be a really shitty way to get knocked out of the RWC which I wouldn't wish on anyone.

    One day I hope to be less of a fluffybunny and be as charitable and understanding as you . In the meantime if the typhoon canceled the game and knocked out the Irish I would laugh like a loon .

    Same, I'm not a good enough person to not love this



  • There is some suggestion in the media that this game could be cancelled as well if the Japan-Scotland game is also cancelled. Not because of the typhoon but to ensure competition integrity. We'll find out at 4 pm.



  • @Bovidae said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    There is some suggestion in the media that this game could be cancelled as well if the Japan-Scotland game is also cancelled. Not because of the typhoon but to ensure competition integrity. We'll find out at 4 pm.

    I don't see how that makes sense. They aren't playing each other next week.



  • @antipodean said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Bovidae said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    There is some suggestion in the media that this game could be cancelled as well if the Japan-Scotland game is also cancelled. Not because of the typhoon but to ensure competition integrity. We'll find out at 4 pm.

    I don't see how that makes sense. They aren't playing each other next week.

    The first tiebreaker is "who beat who" so Japan would still top the pool ahead of Ireland if both teams end up on 16 pts but it was mentioned in this article.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116458660/rugby-world-cup-japan-win-scotland-lose-in-typhoon-hagibib-chaos



  • @Bovidae said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @antipodean said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Bovidae said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    There is some suggestion in the media that this game could be cancelled as well if the Japan-Scotland game is also cancelled. Not because of the typhoon but to ensure competition integrity. We'll find out at 4 pm.

    I don't see how that makes sense. They aren't playing each other next week.

    The first tiebreaker is "who beat who" so Japan would still top the pool ahead of Ireland if both teams end up on 16 pts but it was mentioned in this article.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116458660/rugby-world-cup-japan-win-scotland-lose-in-typhoon-hagibib-chaos

    Precisely - whoever wrote that wasn't thinking. Cancelling the Irish match doesn't change anything. What it would do is give the squad extended time to recuperate and prepare for their quarter final. Then the competition would lose integrity.



  • @antipodean If they want to maintain whatever integrity that's left, then they should cancel all the games this weekend. Having some teams play one game less is not a fair outcome as they will be fresher going into the knockouts. Of course SA would feel hard done by as they have played all their games already, but they get a massive advantage by having an easier quarter due to the typhoon so it evens out.



  • They have to play it surely. It's a slim chance but Scotland could still progress if Samoa knocks Ireland over, why kick the Scots in the teeth twice? Surely this could also be lawsuit territory for fans travel and expenses, cancelling for an 'act of God' is one thing but for 'integrity'?



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  • @akan004 said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @antipodean If they want to maintain whatever integrity that's left, then they should cancel all the games this weekend. Having some teams play one game less is not a fair outcome as they will be fresher going into the knockouts. Of course SA would feel hard done by as they have played all their games already, but they get a massive advantage by having an easier quarter due to the typhoon so it evens out.

    If they want to maintain whatever integrity then they should stick to the conditions. Abandoned match = draw. Only effected matches are abandoned. If this was weekend 1 rather than weekend 3, that is what they would do.

    If they want to make money, or keep content on TV etc, or keep spectators happy - then they should move what they can to a roofed stadium.



  • @Rembrandt said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    They have to play it surely. It's a slim chance but Scotland could still progress if Samoa knocks Ireland over, why kick the Scots in the teeth twice? Surely this could also be lawsuit territory for fans travel and expenses, cancelling for an 'act of God' is one thing but for 'integrity'?

    Actually, Scotland still progress even if Ireland beat Samoa provided they beat Japan (bonus point not needed because they have superior points differential and the fact they won the game between the two 2nd place getters)



  • @Frank said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Rembrandt said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    They have to play it surely. It's a slim chance but Scotland could still progress if Samoa knocks Ireland over, why kick the Scots in the teeth twice? Surely this could also be lawsuit territory for fans travel and expenses, cancelling for an 'act of God' is one thing but for 'integrity'?

    Actually, Scotland still progress even if Ireland beat Samoa provided they beat Japan (bonus point not needed because they have superior points differential and the fact they won the game between the two 2nd place getters)

    This is assuming Japan don't pick up a bonus point themselves in this scenario (for either scoring 4 tries or getting within 7 points).



  • Samoa

    1 Logovii Mulipola
    2 Seilala Lam
    3 Michael Alaalatoa
    4 Teofilo Paulo
    5 Kane Le'aupepe
    6 Chris Vui
    7 TJ Ioane
    8 Jack Lam (capt.)
    9 Dwayne Polataivao
    10 Ulupano Seuteni
    11 Ed Fidow
    12 Henry Taefu
    13 Alapati Leiua
    14 Ah See Tuala
    15 Tim Nanai-Williams

    16 Ray Niuia
    17 Paul Alo-Emile
    18 Jordan Lay
    19 Piula Faasalele
    20 Josh Tyrell
    21 Pele Cowley
    22 Tusi Pisi
    23 Kieron Fonotia

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    Samoa coach Vaeluaga Steve Jackson has made just two changes to his side to take on Ireland on Saturday.
    
    Loose-head prop Logovii Mulipola, above, and second-row Teofilo Paulo return to the starting XV having sat out the 38-19 defeat by Japan. They replace Jordan Lay and Piula Faasalele, who drop to the bench.
    
    It means the Lam brothers - hooker Seilala, and captain and number eight, Jack - will start a second successive World Cup game alongside one another.
    
    Jackson keeps faith with the same back division that started against Japan, but he will hope one or two others come to the party in Fukuoka after centre Henry Taefu contributed all 19 points (one try, one conversion, four penalties) on his own against the hosts.
    


  • In genuinely surprising news Irish fans are whinging about the cancelled matches. Gives NZ or SA too much rest. They sort of have a point but they also have their readymade excuse that doesn’t involve Ireland having a stodgy style of rugby with no plan B.


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