RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A)



  • If I were an Irish fan, I'd be worrying about this: Typhoon Hagibis

    Too soon to tell, but it could end up being a washed out game: 0:0 draw.



  • @Billy-Webb
    So if Ireland gets 2 points for a draw, Scotland has 2 wins with 1 BP, Scotland and Japan go through. Crazy.



  • @mofitzy_ Yup, that's pretty much how it would be likely to play out if the game gets called off. But I think that's still highly unlikely. No-one is certain about the path of the Typhoon right now, plus my understanding is they do have the Sunday on stand-by if the Saturday gets cancelled (assuming the next day would be fine?).

    Would be a really shitty way to get knocked out of the RWC which I wouldn't wish on anyone.



  • @Billy-Webb said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @mofitzy_ Yup, that's pretty much how it would be likely to play out if the game gets called off. But I think that's still highly unlikely. No-one is certain about the path of the Typhoon right now, plus my understanding is they do have the Sunday on stand-by if the Saturday gets cancelled (assuming the next day would be fine?).

    Would be a really shitty way to get knocked out of the RWC which I wouldn't wish on anyone.

    One day I hope to be less of a fluffybunny and be as charitable and understanding as you . In the meantime if the typhoon canceled the game and knocked out the Irish I would laugh like a loon .



  • Love to see Samoa win this and Ireland go out.



  • @sparky sadly, havent seen anything from Samoa to indicate they will get close.



  • @taniwharugby said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @sparky sadly, havent seen anything from Samoa to indicate they will get close.

    There is a decent starting XV in the squad but we just haven’t seen it.

    That Japan game was classic for this Samoan side, passages of positive forward dominated rugby but surrounded by amateurish play that lacked organisation and very little cohesion.

    It’s symptomatic IMO of them not playing a whole together and the lack of trust within the squad.



  • @jegga said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Billy-Webb said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @mofitzy_ Yup, that's pretty much how it would be likely to play out if the game gets called off. But I think that's still highly unlikely. No-one is certain about the path of the Typhoon right now, plus my understanding is they do have the Sunday on stand-by if the Saturday gets cancelled (assuming the next day would be fine?).

    Would be a really shitty way to get knocked out of the RWC which I wouldn't wish on anyone.

    One day I hope to be less of a fluffybunny and be as charitable and understanding as you . In the meantime if the typhoon canceled the game and knocked out the Irish I would laugh like a loon .

    Same, I'm not a good enough person to not love this



  • There is some suggestion in the media that this game could be cancelled as well if the Japan-Scotland game is also cancelled. Not because of the typhoon but to ensure competition integrity. We'll find out at 4 pm.



  • @Bovidae said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    There is some suggestion in the media that this game could be cancelled as well if the Japan-Scotland game is also cancelled. Not because of the typhoon but to ensure competition integrity. We'll find out at 4 pm.

    I don't see how that makes sense. They aren't playing each other next week.



  • @antipodean said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Bovidae said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    There is some suggestion in the media that this game could be cancelled as well if the Japan-Scotland game is also cancelled. Not because of the typhoon but to ensure competition integrity. We'll find out at 4 pm.

    I don't see how that makes sense. They aren't playing each other next week.

    The first tiebreaker is "who beat who" so Japan would still top the pool ahead of Ireland if both teams end up on 16 pts but it was mentioned in this article.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116458660/rugby-world-cup-japan-win-scotland-lose-in-typhoon-hagibib-chaos



  • @Bovidae said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @antipodean said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Bovidae said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    There is some suggestion in the media that this game could be cancelled as well if the Japan-Scotland game is also cancelled. Not because of the typhoon but to ensure competition integrity. We'll find out at 4 pm.

    I don't see how that makes sense. They aren't playing each other next week.

    The first tiebreaker is "who beat who" so Japan would still top the pool ahead of Ireland if both teams end up on 16 pts but it was mentioned in this article.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116458660/rugby-world-cup-japan-win-scotland-lose-in-typhoon-hagibib-chaos

    Precisely - whoever wrote that wasn't thinking. Cancelling the Irish match doesn't change anything. What it would do is give the squad extended time to recuperate and prepare for their quarter final. Then the competition would lose integrity.



  • @antipodean If they want to maintain whatever integrity that's left, then they should cancel all the games this weekend. Having some teams play one game less is not a fair outcome as they will be fresher going into the knockouts. Of course SA would feel hard done by as they have played all their games already, but they get a massive advantage by having an easier quarter due to the typhoon so it evens out.



  • They have to play it surely. It's a slim chance but Scotland could still progress if Samoa knocks Ireland over, why kick the Scots in the teeth twice? Surely this could also be lawsuit territory for fans travel and expenses, cancelling for an 'act of God' is one thing but for 'integrity'?



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  • @akan004 said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @antipodean If they want to maintain whatever integrity that's left, then they should cancel all the games this weekend. Having some teams play one game less is not a fair outcome as they will be fresher going into the knockouts. Of course SA would feel hard done by as they have played all their games already, but they get a massive advantage by having an easier quarter due to the typhoon so it evens out.

    If they want to maintain whatever integrity then they should stick to the conditions. Abandoned match = draw. Only effected matches are abandoned. If this was weekend 1 rather than weekend 3, that is what they would do.

    If they want to make money, or keep content on TV etc, or keep spectators happy - then they should move what they can to a roofed stadium.



  • @Rembrandt said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    They have to play it surely. It's a slim chance but Scotland could still progress if Samoa knocks Ireland over, why kick the Scots in the teeth twice? Surely this could also be lawsuit territory for fans travel and expenses, cancelling for an 'act of God' is one thing but for 'integrity'?

    Actually, Scotland still progress even if Ireland beat Samoa provided they beat Japan (bonus point not needed because they have superior points differential and the fact they won the game between the two 2nd place getters)



  • @Frank said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Rembrandt said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    They have to play it surely. It's a slim chance but Scotland could still progress if Samoa knocks Ireland over, why kick the Scots in the teeth twice? Surely this could also be lawsuit territory for fans travel and expenses, cancelling for an 'act of God' is one thing but for 'integrity'?

    Actually, Scotland still progress even if Ireland beat Samoa provided they beat Japan (bonus point not needed because they have superior points differential and the fact they won the game between the two 2nd place getters)

    This is assuming Japan don't pick up a bonus point themselves in this scenario (for either scoring 4 tries or getting within 7 points).



  • Samoa

    1 Logovii Mulipola
    2 Seilala Lam
    3 Michael Alaalatoa
    4 Teofilo Paulo
    5 Kane Le'aupepe
    6 Chris Vui
    7 TJ Ioane
    8 Jack Lam (capt.)
    9 Dwayne Polataivao
    10 Ulupano Seuteni
    11 Ed Fidow
    12 Henry Taefu
    13 Alapati Leiua
    14 Ah See Tuala
    15 Tim Nanai-Williams

    16 Ray Niuia
    17 Paul Alo-Emile
    18 Jordan Lay
    19 Piula Faasalele
    20 Josh Tyrell
    21 Pele Cowley
    22 Tusi Pisi
    23 Kieron Fonotia

    .

    Samoa coach Vaeluaga Steve Jackson has made just two changes to his side to take on Ireland on Saturday.
    
    Loose-head prop Logovii Mulipola, above, and second-row Teofilo Paulo return to the starting XV having sat out the 38-19 defeat by Japan. They replace Jordan Lay and Piula Faasalele, who drop to the bench.
    
    It means the Lam brothers - hooker Seilala, and captain and number eight, Jack - will start a second successive World Cup game alongside one another.
    
    Jackson keeps faith with the same back division that started against Japan, but he will hope one or two others come to the party in Fukuoka after centre Henry Taefu contributed all 19 points (one try, one conversion, four penalties) on his own against the hosts.
    


  • In genuinely surprising news Irish fans are whinging about the cancelled matches. Gives NZ or SA too much rest. They sort of have a point but they also have their readymade excuse that doesn’t involve Ireland having a stodgy style of rugby with no plan B.



  • @Billy-Tell said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    In genuinely surprising news Irish fans are whinging about the cancelled matches. Gives NZ or SA too much rest. They sort of have a point but they also have their readymade excuse that doesn’t involve Ireland having a stodgy style of rugby with no plan B.

    😂 😂 😂



  • @Billy-Tell said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    In genuinely surprising news Irish fans are whinging about the cancelled matches. Gives NZ or SA too much rest. They sort of have a point but they also have their readymade excuse that doesn’t involve Ireland having a stodgy style of rugby with no plan B.

    I'm astonished.



  • Oh get over yourselves.

    The Ireland schtick is becoming wearisome. England, France, New Zealand all get a wave-through to the next stages, and save on wear and tear. It's a plus for them. Having less game time and longer than planned for rest might work against them somewhat but I'm sure it's something they all can handle.

    Parisse & Co are rightly raging about the decision but not a lot can be done about it. If Ireland win, and Scotland v Japan gets cancelled then I'd be spitting tacks if I was Townsend. It certainly puts a blemish on the tournament. Hopefully it can go ahead.

    Ideally for the organisers, Samoa would beat Ireland and then it wouldn't matter as much if the other game was cancelled.



  • Schmidt has named his team for Saturday:

    15.Jordan Larmour
    14. Keith Earls
    13. Robbie Henshaw
    12. Bundee Aki
    11. Jacob Stockdale
    10. Jonathan Sexton
    9. Conor Murray

    1. Cian Healy
    2. Rory Best
    3. Tadhg Furlong
    4. Iain Henderson
    5. James Ryan
    6. Tadhg Beirne
    7. Josh van der Flier
    8. CJ Stander

    Replacements
    16 Niall Scannell
    17 Dave Kilcoyne
    18 Andrew Porter
    19 Jean Kleyn
    20 Peter O’Mahony
    21 Luke McGrath
    22 Joey Carbery
    23 Andrew Conway

    Henshaw gets his first game with Chris Farrell still following HIA protocols. Porter gets ahead of Ryan for the bench spot at TH. Carbery is finally recovered to be the bench for Sexton. And Rob Kearney is out due to his ongoing injury. Ringrose gets a rest having played in the first three matches.

    Big step-up needed but it's the right kind of heavy duty match to prepare for knockout stages - hopefully not with the kind of injuries as happened last time out against France.



  • @Derm-McCrum so they're allowed 29 on the squad?



  • @Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    Oh get over yourselves.

    The Ireland schtick is becoming wearisome. England, France, New Zealand all get a wave-through to the next stages, and save on wear and tear. It's a plus for them. Having less game time and longer than planned for rest might work against them somewhat but I'm sure it's something they all can handle.

    Parisse & Co are rightly raging about the decision but not a lot can be done about it. If Ireland win, and Scotland v Japan gets cancelled then I'd be spitting tacks if I was Townsend. It certainly puts a blemish on the tournament. Hopefully it can go ahead.

    Ideally for the organisers, Samoa would beat Ireland and then it wouldn't matter as much if the other game was cancelled.

    You say save on wear and tear, I say lose the opportunity for some much needed game time for some of our players.

    If you want to talk about things getting weary, you are looking in the wrong place. Barely 24 hours go by without some NH bore writing garbage about AB favouritism - hell, even read some comments about this game being cancelled BECAUSE of this. That, is the definition of weary. In fact, look at Parisse comment - "If New Zealand needed four or five points against us it would not have been cancelled"

    I have huge sympathies for Parisse and his team. Regardless of expectancy in the match, this decision knocks them out. And that really sucks for them. If the same happens to the jocks, then I will feel the same for Townshend. In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.

    But it's what we all signed up to. Same as losing the cricket world cup on a meaningless stat. Gotta move on and deal with it.



  • @MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
    In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.

    Disagree.
    Neither Italy nor Scotland has a shit's show of winning the World Cup.



  • @Frank said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
    In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.

    Disagree.
    Neither Italy nor Scotland has a shit's show of winning the World Cup.

    Scotland were a controversial decision away from a semi with Argies in the last one, thats a winnable game which puts them in the final. They also came within a bee's dick of beating England at Twickenham a few months ago.

    They may be inconsistent, but they are a chance and to be robbed of that chance due to a cancellation which, in my view, should have been avoided is appalling.



  • @MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Frank said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
    In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.

    Disagree.
    Neither Italy nor Scotland has a shit's show of winning the World Cup.

    Scotland were a controversial decision away from a semi with Argies in the last one, thats a winnable game which puts them in the final.

    Where they would have been flogged.



  • @MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Frank said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
    In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.

    Disagree.
    Neither Italy nor Scotland has a shit's show of winning the World Cup.

    Scotland were a controversial decision away from a semi with Argies in the last one, thats a winnable game which puts them in the final. They also came within a bee's dick of beating England at Twickenham a few months ago.

    They may be inconsistent, but they are a chance and to be robbed of that chance due to a cancellation which, in my view, should have been avoided is appalling.

    I agree it is terrible there is no contingency plan.
    But let's not delude ourselves that either had a chance of even getting close to winning it this time.
    There should be no "asterix" next to the winner at this stage, because no really strong team has missed out due to the typhoons.



  • @Machpants said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Derm-McCrum so they're allowed 29 on the squad?

    Always - it's an Irish thing.



  • @MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    Oh get over yourselves.

    The Ireland schtick is becoming wearisome. England, France, New Zealand all get a wave-through to the next stages, and save on wear and tear. It's a plus for them. Having less game time and longer than planned for rest might work against them somewhat but I'm sure it's something they all can handle.

    Parisse & Co are rightly raging about the decision but not a lot can be done about it. If Ireland win, and Scotland v Japan gets cancelled then I'd be spitting tacks if I was Townsend. It certainly puts a blemish on the tournament. Hopefully it can go ahead.

    Ideally for the organisers, Samoa would beat Ireland and then it wouldn't matter as much if the other game was cancelled.

    You say save on wear and tear, I say lose the opportunity for some much needed game time for some of our players.

    If you want to talk about things getting weary, you are looking in the wrong place. Barely 24 hours go by without some NH bore writing garbage about AB favouritism - hell, even read some comments about this game being cancelled BECAUSE of this. That, is the definition of weary. In fact, look at Parisse comment - "If New Zealand needed four or five points against us it would not have been cancelled"

    I have huge sympathies for Parisse and his team. Regardless of expectancy in the match, this decision knocks them out. And that really sucks for them. If the same happens to the jocks, then I will feel the same for Townshend. In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.

    But it's what we all signed up to. Same as losing the cricket world cup on a meaningless stat. Gotta move on and deal with it.

    Yep - that's what I said. 🙂



  • @Derm-McCrum The wear and tear thing is a big advantage to the poms and France, but not us at all as I see it. We have depth, were playing a weak Italian side, a couple of key players (retallick, goodhue) need game time, and so does the Mounga Barrett system, the two young wings and the midfield combo.
    I would much rather we had the game to play, but am gutted that the frogs and poms won't be beating each other up.



  • @Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    Oh get over yourselves.

    The Ireland schtick is becoming wearisome. England, France, New Zealand all get a wave-through to the next stages, and save on wear and tear. It's a plus for them. Having less game time and longer than planned for rest might work against them somewhat but I'm sure it's something they all can handle.

    Parisse & Co are rightly raging about the decision but not a lot can be done about it. If Ireland win, and Scotland v Japan gets cancelled then I'd be spitting tacks if I was Townsend. It certainly puts a blemish on the tournament. Hopefully it can go ahead.

    Ideally for the organisers, Samoa would beat Ireland and then it wouldn't matter as much if the other game was cancelled.

    1. Good. You guys have become more unlikable than the English. Stop whinging about us whinging about you whinging.
    2. "Rightly raging" even though there is no other option?
    3. FIFY


  • well, this is all very seemly

    Derm what are your hopes for this game? What are you looking for? (except 5 points obviously). More of the exact same, except a bit better?

    Because you blokes haven't looked great thus far, and you are off to a quarter against us probably (unless Scotland suddenly turn up) in about a week.



  • @mariner4life said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    well, this is all very seemly

    Derm what are your hopes for this game? What are you looking for? (except 5 points obviously). More of the exact same, except a bit better?

    Because you blokes haven't looked great thus far, and you are off to a quarter against us probably (unless Scotland suddenly turn up) in about a week.

    I’m hoping they don’t play themselves into form and suddenly click in the quarters against us .
    Mostly because I don’t want the abs to be knocked out on the quarters and also because I’ve enjoyed being a prick about them getting bukkaked by the Japanese and there’s probably a couple of Irish lurkers dying to get payback.



  • @jegga said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @mariner4life said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    well, this is all very seemly

    Derm what are your hopes for this game? What are you looking for? (except 5 points obviously). More of the exact same, except a bit better?

    Because you blokes haven't looked great thus far, and you are off to a quarter against us probably (unless Scotland suddenly turn up) in about a week.

    I’m hoping they don’t play themselves into form and suddenly click in the quarters against us .
    Mostly because I don’t want the abs to be knocked out on the quarters and also because I’ve enjoyed being a prick about them getting bukkaked by the Japanese and there’s probably a couple of Irish lurkers dying to get payback.

    Even if they did regain their form and got mojo back etc etc, the Ab's will still beat them.

    I only fear England and SA this world cup and to a much less degree, Australia



  • @Hooroo said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    to a much less degree, Australia

    You'll never see us - 2 games left and Hooper stranded on 99 Tests until next year.



  • @NTA said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    You'll never see us - 2 games left and Hooper stranded on 99 Tests until next year.

    I don't trust you fluffybunnies any more than the French.



  • @Snowy said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    @NTA said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):

    You'll never see us - 2 games left and Hooper stranded on 99 Tests until next year.

    I don't trust you fluffybunnies any more than the French. the ABs not to choke in the knockout stages

    Fixed.


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