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Coronavirus: Over 50 million pints of beer go to waste during lockdown
âThe beer had been sat there for two weeks so it had gone off,â he said. âThere was no easy way to do it so the beer was thrown down the drain. It was difficult to know what to do as I don't normally get wasted beer.ââIf lockdown lasts for three months all the beer in my cellar will go out of date. Beer kegs have a shelf life of not much more than three months while my other kegs will last for one month maximum.â
Disposal of beer must normally be overseen by a brewery representative because alcohol duty is not paid if it is thrown away with good reason, such as spoiling.
As a temporary measure HM Revenue & Customs is allowing breweries to appoint a publican to dispose of spoilt beer, with a video an acceptable form of proof.
The Campaign for Real Ale (Camra) estimates that of the 39,000 UK pubs and clubs with liquor licences, on average each has about 15 barrels in its cellar. With the average keg holding 88 pints this means around 51 million pints could be currently spoiling in cellars.
Tom Stainer, the chief executive of Camera, told the BBC: âItâs a very sad waste of all the work and talent that goes into producing great beer. People wonât get to drink it and all those resources have been used up for nothing.âKeris De Villiers, landlady of the Ram Inn, the Old Sergeant and the Pig and Whistle in Wandsworth, south-west London, told the BBC that barrelled beer worth about ÂŁ10,000 could go off in her cellars. A further 1,760 pints remain in vats at the SlyBeast microbrewery she set up with her husband, Lee.
With pubs closed drinkers have turned to supermarkets. Sales of alcohol increased by 22 per cent in the last month with an additional ÂŁ199 million spent on booze, according to the retail analysts Kanter.
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Unless you've been directly affected by Covid-19 - the death of a parent, sibling, spouse/partner, child - it's very easy to Monday Morning Quarterback the no-lockdown / partial lockdown / lockdown strategies.
As has been mentioned above, we're far better off finding solutions going forward than apportioning blame. There'll be plenty of time for that.
The 'game' isn't over, and as we used to see week-in week-out, if you don't play what's in front of you and adapt your gameplan then you will lose.
Rarely is victory determined in the first 10 minutes.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@shark said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Well, there's definitely a growing movement / school of thought around Labour having gone too hard, too soon.
I think they call at the time was a sound one- lock down our movements internally, try to eliminate community transmission. Basically buy us time. For that, I think the right call was made, no matter what data subsequently appears.
The right call was made no matter what data comes up subsequently? That is some serious dedication to the govt actions.
So can you justify moving to level 4, referencing the govt criteria?
If you turn the spotlight on my words, I'd probably characterise the lockdown as 'not the wrong call' in light of the information available at the time, and the uncertainty in our knowledge. In hindsight it's easy to criticise, but I can understand making a call where the downside risk is that we get uncontrolled spreading in our community and significant numbers of deaths. My point above is that it's the next steps that then matter- as more information becomes available, do we change our response in light of what's working elsewhere, and balance the risk at the time.
You clearly don't read my posts if you think I've got serious dedication to Govt actions. However, I don't automatically think that everything they do is wrong. Making a call like a lockdown is a tough one, but has to be considered in light of the info put in front of them at the time, and the risk profile that was apparent at that point in time. Otherwise monday morning quarterbacking that isn't fair on decision makers, because we always have more data and time to consider.
I have to agree that when in doubt assume the worst and hope for the best. Whether that means Level 3 or 4 is too hard to have an informed view on from UK. BUT that is now water under the bridge. The onus must be for NZ from here to go to minimal lockdown ASAP.
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@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@shark Good post, but sadly I think the backlash will be minimal because the media has totally bought into the lockdown, and convinced most people that blind acceptance of govt control is a virtue.
I have stated for quite awhile that the govt panicked, it basically skipped stage 3, and went straight to 4. If you look at the criteria , we should never have left 3I don't really agree. I don't think the media has a lot of sway with the general population. Most people that actually vote don't appear to pay them much mind.
The election before last they were fiercely critical of Key and if you went by social media, his days were numbered and a change in government was coming. He won the election in an absolute fucking landslide.
Last election it was all Jacindamania leading into it, gushing story after gushing story. At the end of the day English absolutely smashed her, it was only an unexpected unholy alliance between a far left and far right party that got them over the line.
If people don't think this was handled well, IMO no amount of media propaganda is going to help them when it comes to the next election.
Interesting that it's reported today in the UK media that the general populace in surveys has indicated it will resist going back to work until the Government can convince it that 'it's safe' to do so. Even though most of them weren't at significant risk in the first place!
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@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
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Coronavirus: Over 50 million pints of beer go to waste during lockdown
âThe beer had been sat there for two weeks so it had gone off,â he said. âThere was no easy way to do it so the beer was thrown down the drain. It was difficult to know what to do as I don't normally get wasted beer.ââIf lockdown lasts for three months all the beer in my cellar will go out of date. Beer kegs have a shelf life of not much more than three months while my other kegs will last for one month maximum.â
Disposal of beer must normally be overseen by a brewery representative because alcohol duty is not paid if it is thrown away with good reason, such as spoiling.
As a temporary measure HM Revenue & Customs is allowing breweries to appoint a publican to dispose of spoilt beer, with a video an acceptable form of proof.
The Campaign for Real Ale (Camra) estimates that of the 39,000 UK pubs and clubs with liquor licences, on average each has about 15 barrels in its cellar. With the average keg holding 88 pints this means around 51 million pints could be currently spoiling in cellars.
Tom Stainer, the chief executive of Camera, told the BBC: âItâs a very sad waste of all the work and talent that goes into producing great beer. People wonât get to drink it and all those resources have been used up for nothing.âKeris De Villiers, landlady of the Ram Inn, the Old Sergeant and the Pig and Whistle in Wandsworth, south-west London, told the BBC that barrelled beer worth about ÂŁ10,000 could go off in her cellars. A further 1,760 pints remain in vats at the SlyBeast microbrewery she set up with her husband, Lee.
With pubs closed drinkers have turned to supermarkets. Sales of alcohol increased by 22 per cent in the last month with an additional ÂŁ199 million spent on booze, according to the retail analysts Kanter.
My son drinks at the Old Sergeant -- or rather used to.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Unless you've been directly affected by Covid-19 - the death of a parent, sibling, spouse/partner, child - it's very easy to Monday Morning Quarterback the no-lockdown / partial lockdown / lockdown strategies.
As has been mentioned above, we're far better off finding solutions going forward than apportioning blame. There'll be plenty of time for that.
The 'game' isn't over, and as we used to see week-in week-out, if you don't play what's in front of you and adapt your gameplan then you will lose.
Rarely is victory determined in the first 10 minutes.
Indeed. My mother is 59 but is a leukemia survivor (5 years ago) and some other health issues. I would probably not be heavily affected by CV19 but could easily see it killing my mother in a way the flu has never looked like doing and one of us kids could conceivably give it to her with no way of knowing we had it.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Unless you've been directly affected by Covid-19 - the death of a parent, sibling, spouse/partner, child - it's very easy to Monday Morning Quarterback the no-lockdown / partial lockdown / lockdown strategies.
As has been mentioned above, we're far better off finding solutions going forward than apportioning blame. There'll be plenty of time for that.
The 'game' isn't over, and as we used to see week-in week-out, if you don't play what's in front of you and adapt your gameplan then you will lose.
Rarely is victory determined in the first 10 minutes.
Indeed. My mother is 59 but is a leukemia survivor (5 years ago) and some other health issues. I would probably not be heavily affected by CV19 but could easily see it killing my mother in a way the flu has never looked like doing and one of us kids could conceivably give it to her with no way of knowing we had it.
Pardon me for saying, but aren't you, ahem, rather young for the Fern?
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Unless you've been directly affected by Covid-19 - the death of a parent, sibling, spouse/partner, child - it's very easy to Monday Morning Quarterback the no-lockdown / partial lockdown / lockdown strategies.
As has been mentioned above, we're far better off finding solutions going forward than apportioning blame. There'll be plenty of time for that.
The 'game' isn't over, and as we used to see week-in week-out, if you don't play what's in front of you and adapt your gameplan then you will lose.
Rarely is victory determined in the first 10 minutes.
Indeed. My mother is 59 but is a leukemia survivor (5 years ago) and some other health issues. I would probably not be heavily affected by CV19 but could easily see it killing my mother in a way the flu has never looked like doing and one of us kids could conceivably give it to her with no way of knowing we had it.
Pardon me for saying, but aren't you, ahem, rather young for the Fern?
Probably, turned 40 last year.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Unless you've been directly affected by Covid-19 - the death of a parent, sibling, spouse/partner, child - it's very easy to Monday Morning Quarterback the no-lockdown / partial lockdown / lockdown strategies.
As has been mentioned above, we're far better off finding solutions going forward than apportioning blame. There'll be plenty of time for that.
The 'game' isn't over, and as we used to see week-in week-out, if you don't play what's in front of you and adapt your gameplan then you will lose.
Rarely is victory determined in the first 10 minutes.
Indeed. My mother is 59 but is a leukemia survivor (5 years ago) and some other health issues. I would probably not be heavily affected by CV19 but could easily see it killing my mother in a way the flu has never looked like doing and one of us kids could conceivably give it to her with no way of knowing we had it.
Pardon me for saying, but aren't you, ahem, rather young for the Fern?
Seems the glove is on the other foot fella....
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Pretty sure behind the doors the real strategy in the UK is herd immunity.
That's the only medium-long term solution really. Lockdowns are being used to control/stretch out the spread of the virus to endure medical services aren't being over-run and protect the really vulnerable groups.
Mass vaccination is simply herd immunity under another name. And even with the Flu vaccine, 17,000 people due of Flu every year in the UK.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Pretty sure behind the doors the real strategy in the UK is herd immunity.
That's the only medium-long term solution really. Lockdowns are being used to control/stretch out the spread of the virus to endure medical services aren't being over-run and protect the really vulnerable groups.
Mass vaccination is simply herd immunity under another name. And even with the Flu vaccine, 17,000 people due of Flu every year in the UK.
i guess thats the NZ fear. Shut it down, eradicate it ... but then how can you ever reopen it?
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UK numbers quite terrifying at the moment, but hopefully the peak is near, if not passed. I really wish all governments would publish consistent numbers so we could get a real idea. Infections is such a crap one, as it's only those tested and with variability across methods & accessibility they are basically useless.
I would publish
- Those in hospital due to Covid
- Those in ICU due to Covid
- New ICU admissions
- ICU departures (not to the morgue)
- Covid deaths
- Other deaths
I see Andrew Neil posted a tweet this morning showing a spike in deaths overall. This is obviously a tough read, however, I'll be interested to see where these numbers are in 6 months time. I suspect there will be a drop off.
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For the COVID-19 epidemics in several European countries, estimates of the number of infections and the impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions.
https://imperialcollegelondon.github.io/covid19estimates/#/
Looks like their model has some big variances between countries.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Unless you've been directly affected by Covid-19 - the death of a parent, sibling, spouse/partner, child - it's very easy to Monday Morning Quarterback the no-lockdown / partial lockdown / lockdown strategies.
As has been mentioned above, we're far better off finding solutions going forward than apportioning blame. There'll be plenty of time for that.
The 'game' isn't over, and as we used to see week-in week-out, if you don't play what's in front of you and adapt your gameplan then you will lose.
Rarely is victory determined in the first 10 minutes.
Indeed. My mother is 59 but is a leukemia survivor (5 years ago) and some other health issues. I would probably not be heavily affected by CV19 but could easily see it killing my mother in a way the flu has never looked like doing and one of us kids could conceivably give it to her with no way of knowing we had it.
Pardon me for saying, but aren't you, ahem, rather young for the Fern?
Seems the glove is on the other foot fella....
Being the same age as @Godder 's mum, I feel positively prehistoric!
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
UK numbers quite terrifying at the moment, but hopefully the peak is near, if not passed. I really wish all governments would publish consistent numbers so we could get a real idea. Infections is such a crap one, as it's only those tested and with variability across methods & accessibility they are basically useless.
I would publish
- Those in hospital due to Covid
- Those in ICU due to Covid
- New ICU admissions
- ICU departures (not to the morgue)
- Covid deaths
- Other deaths
I see Andrew Neil posted a tweet this morning showing a spike in deaths overall. This is obviously a tough read, however, I'll be interested to see where these numbers are in 6 months time. I suspect there will be a drop off.
Two problems:
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This data isn't available, at least daily; and
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In making international comparisons (and trying to draw conclusions from the data) keeping the criteria as simlar as possible is key.
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