Coronavirus - New Zealand
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It appears we learned nothing from the looseness of the original border controls pre-lockdown. I'm pretty dark about this TBH. All that trauma that we went through, only for the outcome to be jeopardised because the powers that be won't be as tough with the outside world as they were with us. Grow a pair, tell anybody coming in that closed means closed, and that isolation is mandatory, because good faith belief that they are virus free is worthless. If they don't like it, don't come, and any of the media that run sob stories to guilt trip us into exceptions can fuck right off.
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@taniwharugby It's not specific just to us but is a weakness in the process with current worldwide airline travel, particularly if your reason for travelling is time-dependent (e.g., to visit a dying relative).
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It seems to me that the risk lies more with the people they were in contact with before, during and immediately after their flights, and at the managed isolation facility in Auckland. Apart from that one family member they're staying with, I don't think there's any risk of anyone being infected after they left the facility in Auckland if they respected the conditions of the agreed plan (which included not using any public facilities).
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm pretty dark about this TBH
As is everyone here at work, social media is blowing up (correctly for a change)
Reckon this is a big dent for Labour.
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If they didn't have contact with anyone after they left the Novotel in Auckland, what's the problem? The one family member they're staying with is now also in self-isolation for 14 days.
We were always going to get new cases from overseas; that's why they have the contact tracing in place and extra testing. In this particular, exceptional case, the test was just done somewhere else and their self-isolation is done at home (with the 14-day period re-starting).
Not a big deal.
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
If they didn't have contact with anyone after they left the Novotel in Auckland, what's the problem? The one family member they're staying with is now also in self-isolation for 14 days.
We were always going to get new cases from overseas; that's why they have the contact tracing in place and extra testing. In this particular, exceptional case, the test was just done somewhere else and their self-isolation is done at home (with the 14-day period re-starting).
Not a big deal.
The virus lives on surfaces for hours, so people contact is moot.
We either have a locked down border, or we don't. As with before the lockdown, it appears we are not locking down the border.
It's important as we have destroyed people's liveliehoods with the lockdown, 1000 people a day joining the dole. This sort of wishy washy approach to a quarantine means we will end up in another lockdown - or if we can't afford to do that again, letting the virus spread freely and making the last few months a complete waste of time.
It's a big deal.
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It appears we learned nothing from the looseness of the original border controls pre-lockdown. I'm pretty dark about this TBH. All that trauma that we went through, only for the outcome to be jeopardised because the powers that be won't be as tough with the outside world as they were with us. Grow a pair, tell anybody coming in that closed means closed, and that isolation is mandatory, because good faith belief that they are virus free is worthless. If they don't like it, don't come, and any of the media that run sob stories to guilt trip us into exceptions can fuck right off.
Labour couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery! The quarantine is 14 days to prevent exactly whats happened here.
How mad would you be if your business had gone broke and you'd lost your house due to the lockdown to see this sort of crap? Unbelievable.
Makes me wonder what sort of lockdown was in place for the film crew as well, if the rumours of them wandering around Wellington freely were true.
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan What surfaces are we talking about, since leaving Auckland? They drove straight to Wellington, and didn't use any public facilities. They were travelling in a private vehicle.
If you have to trust someone's word they didn't leave their car, you have taken a massive risk. One stop at a cafe and you have another outbreak.
Incredible risk.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I wonder how far off effective border testing on arrival actually is? Something immediate (24hrs max) that we can actually trust
I wonder how many people they have let out of quarantine early and didn't have to tell us about because they were lucky they stayed negative?
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@akan004 Even women don't need to use public facilities to pee. I don't have to explain that, do I? Bushes etc. You know, what freedom-campers do all the time.
If you believe they did that, I have a bridge to sell you in London.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I wonder how far off effective border testing on arrival actually is? Something immediate (24hrs max) that we can actually trust
I wonder how many people they have let out of quarantine early and didn't have to tell us about because they were lucky they stayed negative?
Who knows, but I wouldn't think many. They rejected 18 straight requests in the early days. Maybe they've gotten more lax in L1/2 though
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@taniwharugby Yep, as I think you've said before our unique advantage is physical isolation from the rest of the world. It makes no sense to be lax with that, otherwise we might as well be Belgium. Will it turn out that Labour's critical flaw is they want to be everybody's mate?
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@Stargazer I wish I had your confidence this is a storm in a tea cup (and hope it is)
There are plenty of people along the way they could have been exposed to, what about all those on the plane with them? Border Control, quarantine staff, who used the car after them?
Plenty of touch points that pose a risk.
Hopefully it is a storm in a tea cup but is the scare our border control needs to up thier game!
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby Yep, as I think you've said before our unique advantage is physical isolation from the rest of the world. It makes no sense to be lax with that, otherwise we might as well be Belgium. Will it turn out that Labour's critical flaw is they want to be everybody's mate?
It's the main way we not only avoided a huge number of cases, but how we were able to get it under control.
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Throughout this whole process since February, it's beggared belief how hard it is to get tested for Covid/how easy it is to not get tested for it.
Which moron thought it was a good idea not to test these two before letting them out early on compassionate leave?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer I wish I had your confidence this is a storm in a tea cup (and hope it is)
There are plenty of people along the way they could have been exposed to, what about all those on the plane with them? Border Control, quarantine staff, who used the car after them?
Plenty of touch points that pose a risk.
Hopefully it is a storm in a tea cup but is the scare our border control needs to up thier game!
Can't avoid all that stuff though unless we wotally shut the border, even to citizens. That's never going to happen.