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@NTA said in US Politics:
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@NTA I thought Syria was on the list?
It is on the list.
Ah yes - the list of seven is the 90 day ban. Syria is "indefinite".
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All the news has been about the 7 counties, of which Syria is one. Not sure how you missed that.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
And Gollum stop talking about polls like you understand anything about them, you clearly do not. You have proven that already, and you lectured and lectured and then ran away. You would be the very last person I would take opinion on polls from.
The Ad Hominem attacks are fun (not really), but that site was very clear about explaining probabilities right through the election - and the first source clearly explains how current polling could also be off. He's not giving an opinion, but a pretty reasonable summary of the sources. I'm wondering whether you read the sources? Or, are you saying that 538 misrepresented the numbers?
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
And Gollum stop talking about polls like you understand anything about them, you clearly do not. You have proven that already, and you lectured and lectured and then ran away. You would be the very last person I would take opinion on polls from.
The Ad Hominem attacks are fun (not really), but that site was very clear about explaining probabilities right through the election - and the first source clearly explains how current polling could also be off. He's not giving an opinion, but a pretty reasonable summary of the sources. I'm wondering whether you read the sources? Or, are you saying that 538 misrepresented the numbers?
I suggest you read back on how Gollum lectured and lectured and lectured others about how the election was not going to be close. And then he ran away for weeks after the election... and now he is back... so yeah nah.. I don't take anything he says about political polls remotely seriously. Dont explain to me how the site works, I have understood it from the start, educate Gollum if you are in the mood for it.
If you cannot be bothered going back and reading the relevant parts of the thread.. I suggesr you stop trying to defend Gollum based on ignorance.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
. I'm wondering whether you read the sources? Or, are you saying that 538 misrepresented the numbers?
Don't hold your breath waiting for answers to these
@MajorRage - regarding the Quebec Mosque: suspect charged is Alexandre Bissonnette.
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The suspect was arrested in his car on a bridge leading from Quebec City to Ile d'Orleans, where he called police to say he wanted to cooperate with the authorities.According to CBC News, Mr Bissonnette studied political science and anthropology at Laval University, whose campus is about 3km (two miles) away from the mosque.
The Montreal Gazette reports that the suspect dressed up as the Grim Reaper for Halloween, according to his Facebook page, which has now been taken offline.
On the social network, he also reportedly "liked" US President Donald Trump and French National Front leader Marine Le Pen.
Francois Deschamps, an official with an advocacy group, Welcome to Refugees, said the suspect was known for his far-right views.
"It's with pain and anger that we learn the identity of terrorist Alexandre Bissonnette, unfortunately known to many activists in Quebec for taking nationalist, pro-Le Pen and anti-feminist positions at Laval University and on social media," Mr Deschamps wrote on organisation's Facebook page.
[/snip]6 x First Degree Murder
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Fine, but just because he was wrong with his predictions (no matter how strongly he suggested them) doesn't mean he's wrong now to bring up polls - especially when those polls clearly point out the problems with their methodology. You and his bickering is fucking boring and since we can't put certain posters on ignore in the new software (can we?), can we all take it as read that you both want to flush each other's head down the toilet?
Having said that, on the polls, I think Gollum is wrong here - his line of reasoning is a bit off, because I don't think Trump gives a shit, I don't think Natuonal polling at this time means jack shot, and I think Trump's current strategy is working in the way he wants it to.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
Having said that, on the polls, I think Gollum is wrong here - his line of reasoning is a bit off, because I don't think Trump gives a shit, I don't think Natuonal polling at this time means jack shot, and I think Trump's current strategy is working in the way he wants it to.
Not sure if it was covered (can't be bothered reading the bile), but now that he's in, will the "soft Trump supporter" phenomenon go away?
The Gallup thing is interesting, but as someone said above - depends who was asked.
I'm pretty sure we're not going to get "soft Trump opponent" in any case.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
Fine, but just because he was wrong with his predictions (no matter how strongly he suggested them) doesn't mean he's wrong now to bring up polls - especially when those polls clearly point out the problems with their methodology. You and his bickering is fucking boring and since we can't put certain posters on ignore in the new software (can we?), can we all take it as read that you both want to flush each other's head down the toilet?
Having said that, on the polls, I think Gollum is wrong here - his line of reasoning is a bit off, because I don't think Trump gives a shit, I don't think Natuonal polling at this time means jack shot, and I think Trump's current strategy is working in the way he wants it to.
No no no.... you misunderstand..... being wrong with predictions is basically a pre requisite for posting here. Lecturing others how you are the ONLY one who understands polls whilst clearly not understanding polls.. and then being not man enough to front after you get it wrong... that is what makes Gollum a special case. I have zero respect or patience when he starts talking about polls. And lets not forget in this iteration he bought my name into the conversation....
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@gt12 said in US Politics:
Having said that, on the polls, I think Gollum is wrong here - his line of reasoning is a bit off, because I don't think Trump gives a shit, I don't think Natuonal polling at this time means jack shot, and I think Trump's current strategy is working in the way he wants it to.
Not sure if it was covered (can't be bothered reading the bile), but now that he's in, will the "soft Trump supporter" phenomenon go away?
The Gallup thing is interesting, but as someone said above - depends who was asked.
I'm pretty sure we're not going to get "soft Trump opponent" in any case.
It wont go away IMO. Many people just cannot be bothered facing the vitriol they receive if they support Trump.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
It wont go away IMO. Many people just cannot be bothered facing the vitriol they receive if they support Trump.
I was thinking more in terms of the polls run by phone like Gallup - not like you're yelling the answers for the neighbourhood to hear or carrying a placard.
As for local support for Trump - I was at the local bottleshop last weekend and saw a guy in cricket whites with a Trump cap on. I found that unusual, but wasn't sure if he was an expat.
The popularity of supporting your outspoken President is surely easier to countenance than an outspoken Candidate?
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Acting AG Sally Yates instructed the DoJ that it should not follow through with Trump's ban as a question of legality.
"Acting Attorney General Sally Yates has told Justice Department lawyers not to make legal arguments defending President Donald Trump's executive order on immigration and refugees, according to sources familiar with the order."
So he fired her:
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@NTA just imagine him reliving his Apprentice days ha
to shady gollum and his reliable side kick....I imagine many snowflakes as annoying children in parent's car on a drive to the beach.....'are we there yet, are we there yet' after only 10 minutes. then a few minutes later, 'dad, I don't see the beach yet'....not only incredibly biased per se, but the patience of a pair of pesky flies.Trump and his administration have been excellent so far, transparent, productive, and strong. The next interesting thing to watch will be the Senate conformation of his S C pick and whether that leads to the nuclear option.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
Acting AG Sally Yates instructed the DoJ that it should not follow through with Trump's ban as a question of legality.
"Acting Attorney General Sally Yates has told Justice Department lawyers not to make legal arguments defending President Donald Trump's executive order on immigration and refugees, according to sources familiar with the order."
So he fired her:
He had to fire her. Her position was untenable.
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@Wairau said in US Politics:
Trump and his administration have been incredible so far, transparent, productive, and strong.
Perhaps also illegal and unconstitutional. That will only be determined, in this case, if the Executive Order is tested in a court of Law.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
He had to fire her. Her position was untenable.
I agree - basically she could not conduct her office under that statement, with a hostile administration.
I'm not a lawyer. Sally Yates is, and if she says "At present, I am not convinced that the defense of the executive order is consistent with these responsibilities of the Department of Justice, nor am I convinced that the executive order is lawful" then I'm inclined to go with her, until it can be proven one way or the other.
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@Wairau said in US Politics:
Trump and his administration have been excellent so far, transparent, productive, and strong. The next interesting thing to watch will be the Senate conformation of his S C pick and whether that leads to the nuclear option.
I just want to see what this awesome negotiator has up his sleeve for dealing with China after throwing away the trump card in the TPP...
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@Wairau said in US Politics:
Trump and his administration have been incredible so far, transparent, productive, and strong.
Perhaps also illegal and unconstitutional. That will only be determined, in this case, if the Executive Order is tested in a court of Law.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
He had to fire her. Her position was untenable.
I agree - basically she could not conduct her office under that statement, with a hostile administration.
I'm not a lawyer. Sally Yates is, and if she says "At present, I am not convinced that the defense of the executive order is consistent with these responsibilities of the Department of Justice, nor am I convinced that the executive order is lawful" then I'm inclined to go with her, until it can be proven one way or the other.
Seriously? You think she did this for legal reasons and not political ones??? I have some sand to sell you.
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Clinton is applauded, Trump vilified for the same words. The left in America are behaving too politically, nonsensical. Well, nothing new there.
@antipodean Meh, TPP was always a goner, another example of transparency and keeping his word, and much better to get it out of the way and focus on producing real change, as he is doing.
China will be difficult indeed, so let's wait and see. Peter Navarro and Carl Icahn are tough nuts, and Trump has already staked out a number of assertive positions.@NTA as bsg just said, you are now heading into another area, the obvious lack of impariality of Obama appointed officials, and judges. It's another part of the swamp to be drained. Furthermore, are you just referring to this EO, or all of them. On the assumption you are being selective, why only this one? And, what parts of it are unconstitutional?
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@Wairau said in US Politics:
. It's another part of the swamp to be drained
Before or after Gingrich and the other nepotistic appointment of his children?
As for whether it's Constitutional or not: the lawyer with 30 years' experience, including the last seven in the AG's office, doesn't believe it is. So I'm going with her until it's appropriately tested.
It doesn't actually matter if it's a political move - what possible gain does it have for Obama, Yates, or the Democrats in general? Trump is going to replace anyone they don't like.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@Wairau said in US Politics:
. It's another part of the swamp to be drained
Before or after Gingrich and the other nepotistic appointment of his children?
As for whether it's Constitutional or not: the lawyer with 30 years' experience, including the last seven in the AG's office, doesn't believe it is. So I'm going with her until it's appropriately tested.
It doesn't actually matter if it's a political move - what possible gain does it have for Obama, Yates, or the Democrats in general? Trump is going to replace anyone they don't like.
Nick if you seriously believe that her decision was based on the law rather than politics then you are the most naïve person on this forum.
If a Republican appointee did the same thing to a Democrat administration would that also be due to concerns about the law. Like hell it would.
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