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@mariner4life said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@mn5 said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@taniwharugby said in SBW tribute from that kid:
as someone who never, ever broke the rules, did I mention ever, I find it ludicrous to think a kid can get away with such illegal activity in this day and age.
Whatever you think of SBW, vast majority of the time, he is/was a marketers dream, he defused that situation and turned it to his, NZR and rugbys advantage.
Especially when you consider that in the era he played there were 5/6 midfielders as good or better than him
You said yourself if he was a racehorse he’d be shot after the Lions test.
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@mn5 said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@mariner4life said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@mn5 said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@taniwharugby said in SBW tribute from that kid:
as someone who never, ever broke the rules, did I mention ever, I find it ludicrous to think a kid can get away with such illegal activity in this day and age.
Whatever you think of SBW, vast majority of the time, he is/was a marketers dream, he defused that situation and turned it to his, NZR and rugbys advantage.
Especially when you consider that in the era he played there were 5/6 midfielders as good or better than him
You said yourself if he was a racehorse he’d be shot after the Lions test.
which links to your ridiculous comment in absolutely no way.
you keep doing you though
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@mariner4life said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@mn5 said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@mariner4life said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@mn5 said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@taniwharugby said in SBW tribute from that kid:
as someone who never, ever broke the rules, did I mention ever, I find it ludicrous to think a kid can get away with such illegal activity in this day and age.
Whatever you think of SBW, vast majority of the time, he is/was a marketers dream, he defused that situation and turned it to his, NZR and rugbys advantage.
Especially when you consider that in the era he played there were 5/6 midfielders as good or better than him
You said yourself if he was a racehorse he’d be shot after the Lions test.
which links to your ridiculous comment in absolutely no way.
you keep doing you though
But it’s not ridiculous cos it all happened.
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@mn5 said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@mariner4life said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@mn5 said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@mariner4life said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@mn5 said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@taniwharugby said in SBW tribute from that kid:
as someone who never, ever broke the rules, did I mention ever, I find it ludicrous to think a kid can get away with such illegal activity in this day and age.
Whatever you think of SBW, vast majority of the time, he is/was a marketers dream, he defused that situation and turned it to his, NZR and rugbys advantage.
Especially when you consider that in the era he played there were 5/6 midfielders as good or better than him
You said yourself if he was a racehorse he’d be shot after the Lions test.
which links to your ridiculous comment in absolutely no way.
you keep doing you though
But it’s not ridiculous cos it all happened.
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Random internet poster who claims not to watch rugby claims to be able to rate All Black midfield players from the last 15 years.
Frankly IMO SWB was the piece we were missing at 12 in the 19 RWC.
Also, whoever called the kid and entitled douche was pretty much spot on.
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@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
Bit of a silly thread. Not the kids fault he was born into wealth. Doesn’t deserve any abuse for being a kid who was lucky.
Deserves admonishment for breaking rules
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@booboo said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
Bit of a silly thread. Not the kids fault he was born into wealth. Doesn’t deserve any abuse for being a kid who was lucky.
Deserves admonishment for breaking rules
He’s a kid who got excited seeing one of his heroes up close!! The horror of an excited kid breaking the rules.
Honestly, some of the comments on here are disgusting. So many personal shots at a kid based on huge assumptions made because of the way he speaks. And in a lot of cases, from the same people that will argue til blue in the face that a criticism of a non white person doesn't automatically mean racism.
It's exactly the same argument. Give the kid a break. If you have criticism of the situation, blame his guardians at the match, security, or SBW. But not the kid.
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@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@booboo said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
Bit of a silly thread. Not the kids fault he was born into wealth. Doesn’t deserve any abuse for being a kid who was lucky.
Deserves admonishment for breaking rules
He’s a kid who got excited seeing one of his heroes up close!! The horror of an excited kid breaking the rules.
Honestly, some of the comments on here are disgusting. So many personal shots at a kid based on huge assumptions made because of the way he speaks. And in a lot of cases, from the same people that will argue til blue in the face that a criticism of a non white person doesn't automatically mean racism.
It's exactly the same argument. Give the kid a break. If you have criticism of the situation, blame his guardians at the match, security, or SBW. But not the kid.
You what? Who says it's automatically racist?
I'm confused. Are we or are we not allowed to comment on a 14 year olds behaviour in a regulated social setting?
14 years old and we have to refer to his behaviour as though he's 4 years old or mentally incapable of controlling his behaviour in a social setting?
Bizarre
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@siam said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@booboo said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
Bit of a silly thread. Not the kids fault he was born into wealth. Doesn’t deserve any abuse for being a kid who was lucky.
Deserves admonishment for breaking rules
He’s a kid who got excited seeing one of his heroes up close!! The horror of an excited kid breaking the rules.
Honestly, some of the comments on here are disgusting. So many personal shots at a kid based on huge assumptions made because of the way he speaks. And in a lot of cases, from the same people that will argue til blue in the face that a criticism of a non white person doesn't automatically mean racism.
It's exactly the same argument. Give the kid a break. If you have criticism of the situation, blame his guardians at the match, security, or SBW. But not the kid.
You what? Who says it's automatically racist?
I'm confused. Are we or are we not allowed to comment on a 14 year olds behaviour in a regulated social setting?
14 years old and we have to refer to his behaviour as though he's 4 years old or mentally incapable of controlling his behaviour in a social setting?
Bizarre
Re-read and think. You have not grasped my point at all. I'm drawing parallels.
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@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@siam said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@booboo said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
Bit of a silly thread. Not the kids fault he was born into wealth. Doesn’t deserve any abuse for being a kid who was lucky.
Deserves admonishment for breaking rules
He’s a kid who got excited seeing one of his heroes up close!! The horror of an excited kid breaking the rules.
Honestly, some of the comments on here are disgusting. So many personal shots at a kid based on huge assumptions made because of the way he speaks. And in a lot of cases, from the same people that will argue til blue in the face that a criticism of a non white person doesn't automatically mean racism.
It's exactly the same argument. Give the kid a break. If you have criticism of the situation, blame his guardians at the match, security, or SBW. But not the kid.
You what? Who says it's automatically racist?
I'm confused. Are we or are we not allowed to comment on a 14 year olds behaviour in a regulated social setting?
14 years old and we have to refer to his behaviour as though he's 4 years old or mentally incapable of controlling his behaviour in a social setting?
Bizarre
Re-read and think. You have not grasped my point at all. I'm drawing parallels.
I'm reluctant to enter this argument, but I have no idea what you're arguing here, the parallel is beyond me. How does it compare to the racism point?
On this subject specifically, I reckon the kid should definitely have received a punishment, certainly shouldn't be painted as some awesome story. That's not to say he should get a 5yr ban, just that we should make a clear point that his actions aren't to be tolerated. Cant be encouraging more of this, which is exactly the message I reckon most 12yr olds take away from this (and yeah, I know this guy was 14.)
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ok, let me explain a bit deeper. In hindsight, the parallel isn't overly clear.
Firstly, @siam is right, I have no right to say what is allowed and isn't, and that shouldn't be picked up as to what I'm saying - but I appreciate it could be read like that.
I'm looking at the comments on the boy and I think a lot of them are horrifically unfair. I listen to that video he's posted, and I heard a pretty nice message from a well spoken, appreciative young man. But yet, here's a couple of (direct & indirect) things used to describe him. Brat, Hampstead fluffybunny, little twat, douche. That's bloody rough, especially after the way he comes across in the video. It's literally none of these things. I would say, polite, seriously appreciative and thankful.
But then I also see words like silver spoon, entitled etc. And it makes sense. I don't believe he's getting abuse because of what he did 5 years ago as a (clearly immature physically at least) 14 year old boy. I think he's getting it more because he's a well spoken British young adult.
The parallel is when people call racism because a non-white is abused with people calling him all of the above because the way he speaks.
Even re-reading this, I'm not sure that still makes any sense. But I stand by my claim that boy doesn't deserve the abuse he's getting.
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@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
ok, let me explain a bit deeper. In hindsight, the parallel isn't overly clear.
Firstly, @siam is right, I have no right to say what is allowed and isn't, and that shouldn't be picked up as to what I'm saying - but I appreciate it could be read like that.
I'm looking at the comments on the boy and I think a lot of them are horrifically unfair. I listen to that video he's posted, and I heard a pretty nice message from a well spoken, appreciative young man. But yet, here's a couple of (direct & indirect) things used to describe him. Brat, Hampstead fluffybunny, little twat, douche. That's bloody rough, especially after the way he comes across in the video. It's literally none of these things. I would say, polite, seriously appreciative and thankful.
But then I also see words like silver spoon, entitled etc. And it makes sense. I don't believe he's getting abuse because of what he did 5 years ago as a (clearly immature physically at least) 14 year old boy. I think he's getting it more because he's a well spoken British young adult.
The parallel is when people call racism because a non-white is abused with people calling him all of the above because the way he speaks.
Even re-reading this, I'm not sure that still makes any sense. But I stand by my claim that boy doesn't deserve the abuse he's getting.
Gotcha, that explains what you were getting at well, understood.
To be honest, I didn't watch the video. My comments were only about the original incident, which I maintain we shouldn't celebrate. I'm not denigrating the kid as being spoilt, or rich, or anything else. I just think a 14yr kid should know better than to do that, and the incident should be viewed as a "what not to do" rather than some feel-good story with SBW.
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@voodoo said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
ok, let me explain a bit deeper. In hindsight, the parallel isn't overly clear.
Firstly, @siam is right, I have no right to say what is allowed and isn't, and that shouldn't be picked up as to what I'm saying - but I appreciate it could be read like that.
I'm looking at the comments on the boy and I think a lot of them are horrifically unfair. I listen to that video he's posted, and I heard a pretty nice message from a well spoken, appreciative young man. But yet, here's a couple of (direct & indirect) things used to describe him. Brat, Hampstead fluffybunny, little twat, douche. That's bloody rough, especially after the way he comes across in the video. It's literally none of these things. I would say, polite, seriously appreciative and thankful.
But then I also see words like silver spoon, entitled etc. And it makes sense. I don't believe he's getting abuse because of what he did 5 years ago as a (clearly immature physically at least) 14 year old boy. I think he's getting it more because he's a well spoken British young adult.
The parallel is when people call racism because a non-white is abused with people calling him all of the above because the way he speaks.
Even re-reading this, I'm not sure that still makes any sense. But I stand by my claim that boy doesn't deserve the abuse he's getting.
Gotcha, that explains what you were getting at well, understood.
To be honest, I didn't watch the video. My comments were only about the original incident, which I maintain we shouldn't celebrate. I'm not denigrating the kid as being spoilt, or rich, or anything else. I just think a 14yr kid should know better than to do that, and the incident should be viewed as a "what not to do" rather than some feel-good story with SBW.
100%
(Edit re bold text: me neither)
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@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@booboo said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@majorrage said in SBW tribute from that kid:
Bit of a silly thread. Not the kids fault he was born into wealth. Doesn’t deserve any abuse for being a kid who was lucky.
Deserves admonishment for breaking rules
He’s a kid who got excited seeing one of his heroes up close!! The horror of an excited kid breaking the rules.
Honestly, some of the comments on here are disgusting. So many personal shots at a kid based on huge assumptions made because of the way he speaks. And in a lot of cases, from the same people that will argue til blue in the face that a criticism of a non white person doesn't automatically mean racism.
It's exactly the same argument. Give the kid a break. If you have criticism of the situation, blame his guardians at the match, security, or SBW. But not the kid.
The only thing disgusting is you somehow bringing racism into it. So blame everyone but the person who broke the rules? Wtf? Again, this wasn’t some mentally deficient toddler. He was 14. He knew what he was doing. If what he did was ok then why not just let every kid run on? Give them all a break. It’s not their fault.
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@rancid-schnitzel or you could take a look in the mirror and realise that some of your posts have been pretty poor.
Majorage’s term for it is spot on. Disgusting.
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@kirwan said in SBW tribute from that kid:
@rancid-schnitzel or you could take a look in the mirror and realise that some of your posts have been pretty poor.
Majorage’s term for it is spot on. Disgusting.
Disgusting to want your kids to respect authority and tow the line ? Really ? If one of my boys got nailed by a security guard like that ( again, pretty softly all things considered ) I’d give him a bit of stick and tell him not to break the rules next time.
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@rancid-schnitzel calm down. Trying to make a point for people to think about the names they are calling this kid.
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just curious, in terms of breaking the law/rules, where does him running onto the field sit?
Shoplifting? Truancy? Vandalism? Trespassing?
Just that he is a 14 year old kid, in terms of the rule breaking, what punishment is going to be handed down to a 14 year old?
Right or wrong, there is very little they are going to do, or probably even be able to do about it, he is a minor, is the offence that bad that the parents need to be held liable for his actions? What if his dad had said he can't, is he supposed to have restrained him?
@MN5 do we know this kids dad didnt reprimand him for it?
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