KP - WTF



  • Time to jump ship by all accounts:-
     
     
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36010531
     
    Difficult to believe really.



  • Time to jump ship by all accounts:-
     
     
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36010531
     
    Difficult to believe really.

    How is it difficult to believe? He moved to England because he wasn't getting a fair shake in RSA, it would only make sense he would do the reverse if the Proteas are willing to give him an opportunity.
     
    What happened before the Ashes was an absolute embarrassment for the ECB - Pietersen rightfully should play elsewhere after that.



  • Thought the idea had been out there for a while.
    No chance of it happening.
    He's always been a mercenary.



  • He's always been a mercenary.

    You are aware that he walked out on a lucrative IPL contract to play 4 day cricket for Surrey for minimum match payments after he was promised consideration for the English team is he did so last year right?
     
    He gives off the air of a mercenary I suppose being SA born and playing for England (although when having to face up against quota bullshit who can blame him?). But if you study his actions carefully there are very few players who put international cricket on such a pedestal as KP.
     
    I would certainly consider him less of a mercenary than the senior NZ players who routinely miss tour matches to play in the IPL including two previous captains.



  • Are SA really gonna give him a hoon at 37 years of age ? highly doubtful.



  • You are aware that he walked out on a lucrative IPL contract to play 4 day cricket for Surrey for minimum match payments after he was promised consideration for the English team is he did so last year right?
    He gives off the air of a mercenary I suppose being SA born and playing for England (although when having to face up against quota bullshit who can blame him?). But if you study his actions carefully there are very few players who put international cricket on such a pedestal as KP.
    I would certainly consider him less of a mercenary than the senior NZ players who routinely miss tour matches to play in the IPL including two previous captains.

    100% this. People who call him a mercenary are just showing how little they know about the game or about the guy they're bagging.



  • Mercenary..... probabably not based on the above.
     
    Complete fluffybunny..... no doubt.
     
     
    Based on that I can't see South Africa giving him a go



  • Are SA really gonna give him a hoon at 37 years of age ? highly doubtful.

    luckily I sit in an office by myself as I laughed at that!!
     
    Funny how people perceive others though, SBW is often labeled a mercenary too, but he hasn't really followed the money.



  • luckily I sit in an office by myself as I laughed at that!!
     
    Funny how people perceive others though, SBW is often labeled a mercenary too, but he hasn't really followed the money.

    What's he up to at the moment ? I haven't heard about him for one, possibly two, weeks.



  • SA wouldn't have much to gain playing KP. They'd be far better off continuing to develop any young guys with potential.
     
    His only shot would be in T20s but even that is highly unlikely as that is a good arena to blood new players.



  • Apologies all. I'll try to learn more.
    Perhaps being mercenary is not just about money.
    To my mind if he just wants to play international cricket, any international cricket, for whatever country will have him that devalues international cricket.
    There should be passion to represent. It would seem to me, given i know little about the game and the guy i am bagging, that KP's passion can be turned on and off. But that opinion obviously doesn't count for much.



  • Funny how people perceive others though, SBW is often labeled a mercenary too, but he hasn't really followed the money.

    He certainly seems to follow the glory though (or at least opportunities at it).



  • It's perception with SBW though, sure he has two WC winners medals but I have a feeling the ABs would have done it with or without him.



  • Perhaps being mercenary is not just about money.
    To my mind if he just wants to play international cricket, any international cricket, for whatever country will have him that devalues international cricket.

    The final passage of the article.
     
     
     
    "The eligibility for South Africa is still [more than] a year away. So we will have to wait and see but [an England call-up] is definitely still an option," said Pietersen
     
    He still wants to play for England, but Strauss and co reneged on a public statement by Colin Graves (chairman of selectors) that if Pietersen played country cricket he would be considered for selection. He hits a triple century for Surrey and then gets told there is no way back into the team for him. There is extensive interviews with him at the time asking for a path back to the team and just as many with Strauss not offering one and intimating it was curtains for his international career.
     
    He can't play for England no matter how hard he tries, so it's natural he would look elsewhere.



  • It's perception with SBW though, sure he has two WC winners medals but I have a feeling the ABs would have done it with or without him.

    His impact off the bench in the 2011 semi final was memorable though.
     
    He certainly earned his stripes off the bench in 2015 (like you I think Fekitoa would have done the job too), but in 2011 I think they ostensibly carried him and he was a risk - we would have been a better unit with Toeava covering the outside backs than him IMO.



  • It's perception with SBW though, sure he has two WC winners medals but I have a feeling the ABs would have done it with or without him.

    not disputing that, obviously he has been labelled Money Bill Williams too, which is unfair given money does not appear to be his main motivator.
     
    But like Booboo says, maybe peoples views of what a mercenary is differs too.



  • His impact off the bench in the 2011 semi final was memorable though.
     
    He certainly earned his stripes off the bench in 2015 (like you I think Fekitoa would have done the job too), but in 2011 I think they ostensibly carried him and he was a risk - we would have been a better unit with Toeava covering the outside backs than him IMO.

    All I remember of him in that was missing Rougerie, not having a go, just being honest.
     
    People go on about him being a "supreme athlete" but really, what does he actually do aside from off loading that is head and shoulders above his peers ? run with incredible speed ? bump/fend/step guys ?



  • I've always thought there is much much more to the whole KP thing than what we know.
     
    Remember last year when Strauss was hung out to dry by all and sundry for effectively ending Pietersen's career?  Not many,if any, current England players came out in support of KP.  Cricket isn't as much as a team sport as others, but it still a team sport.
     
    For me, I woul have kicked him out after text-message gate, and offered him absolute no recourse right there and then.  Texting your homeland mates with tips on how to remove your adopted land captain is life without parole for me.



  • I've always thought there is much much more to the whole KP thing than what we know.
     
    Remember last year when Strauss was hung out to dry by all and sundry for effectively ending Pietersen's career?  Not many,if any, current England players came out in support of KP.  Cricket isn't as much as a team sport as others, but it still a team sport.
     
    For me, I woul have kicked him out after text-message gate, and offered him absolute no recourse right there and then.  Texting your homeland mates with tips on how to remove your adopted land captain is life without parole for me.

    On the field I always admired KP hugely, very good record, fighting qualities and certainly a really dashing batsman to watch for a tall guy. Agree about that texting shit though, absolutely unforgivable.



  • I've always thought there is much much more to the whole KP thing than what we know.
     
    Remember last year when Strauss was hung out to dry by all and sundry for effectively ending Pietersen's career?  Not many,if any, current England players came out in support of KP.  Cricket isn't as much as a team sport as others, but it still a team sport.

    Isn't that pretty reasonably explained by the fact that it's not easy/smart to come out and speak out against your new boss in his first week on the job? Path of least resistance really.
     
    Add to that half the squad was in flux anyway so publicly going against the establishment isn't a smart move for Moen Ali, Ben Stokes or Jos Butler to make trying to cement and Ashes birth.
     
    Most of the ex-players (including former teammates of his) came out in support of Pietersen and common sense. Flintoff, Vaughn, Hoggard, Harmisson. Basically anyone who knows the player (and Strauss for that matter) and doesn't fear retribution... except Swann.


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