KP - WTF



  • Time to jump ship by all accounts:-
     
     
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36010531
     
    Difficult to believe really.



  • Time to jump ship by all accounts:-
     
     
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36010531
     
    Difficult to believe really.

    How is it difficult to believe? He moved to England because he wasn't getting a fair shake in RSA, it would only make sense he would do the reverse if the Proteas are willing to give him an opportunity.
     
    What happened before the Ashes was an absolute embarrassment for the ECB - Pietersen rightfully should play elsewhere after that.



  • Thought the idea had been out there for a while.
    No chance of it happening.
    He's always been a mercenary.



  • He's always been a mercenary.

    You are aware that he walked out on a lucrative IPL contract to play 4 day cricket for Surrey for minimum match payments after he was promised consideration for the English team is he did so last year right?
     
    He gives off the air of a mercenary I suppose being SA born and playing for England (although when having to face up against quota bullshit who can blame him?). But if you study his actions carefully there are very few players who put international cricket on such a pedestal as KP.
     
    I would certainly consider him less of a mercenary than the senior NZ players who routinely miss tour matches to play in the IPL including two previous captains.



  • Are SA really gonna give him a hoon at 37 years of age ? highly doubtful.



  • You are aware that he walked out on a lucrative IPL contract to play 4 day cricket for Surrey for minimum match payments after he was promised consideration for the English team is he did so last year right?
    He gives off the air of a mercenary I suppose being SA born and playing for England (although when having to face up against quota bullshit who can blame him?). But if you study his actions carefully there are very few players who put international cricket on such a pedestal as KP.
    I would certainly consider him less of a mercenary than the senior NZ players who routinely miss tour matches to play in the IPL including two previous captains.

    100% this. People who call him a mercenary are just showing how little they know about the game or about the guy they're bagging.



  • Mercenary..... probabably not based on the above.
     
    Complete fluffybunny..... no doubt.
     
     
    Based on that I can't see South Africa giving him a go



  • Are SA really gonna give him a hoon at 37 years of age ? highly doubtful.

    luckily I sit in an office by myself as I laughed at that!!
     
    Funny how people perceive others though, SBW is often labeled a mercenary too, but he hasn't really followed the money.



  • luckily I sit in an office by myself as I laughed at that!!
     
    Funny how people perceive others though, SBW is often labeled a mercenary too, but he hasn't really followed the money.

    What's he up to at the moment ? I haven't heard about him for one, possibly two, weeks.



  • SA wouldn't have much to gain playing KP. They'd be far better off continuing to develop any young guys with potential.
     
    His only shot would be in T20s but even that is highly unlikely as that is a good arena to blood new players.



  • Apologies all. I'll try to learn more.
    Perhaps being mercenary is not just about money.
    To my mind if he just wants to play international cricket, any international cricket, for whatever country will have him that devalues international cricket.
    There should be passion to represent. It would seem to me, given i know little about the game and the guy i am bagging, that KP's passion can be turned on and off. But that opinion obviously doesn't count for much.



  • Funny how people perceive others though, SBW is often labeled a mercenary too, but he hasn't really followed the money.

    He certainly seems to follow the glory though (or at least opportunities at it).



  • It's perception with SBW though, sure he has two WC winners medals but I have a feeling the ABs would have done it with or without him.



  • Perhaps being mercenary is not just about money.
    To my mind if he just wants to play international cricket, any international cricket, for whatever country will have him that devalues international cricket.

    The final passage of the article.
     
     
     
    "The eligibility for South Africa is still [more than] a year away. So we will have to wait and see but [an England call-up] is definitely still an option," said Pietersen
     
    He still wants to play for England, but Strauss and co reneged on a public statement by Colin Graves (chairman of selectors) that if Pietersen played country cricket he would be considered for selection. He hits a triple century for Surrey and then gets told there is no way back into the team for him. There is extensive interviews with him at the time asking for a path back to the team and just as many with Strauss not offering one and intimating it was curtains for his international career.
     
    He can't play for England no matter how hard he tries, so it's natural he would look elsewhere.



  • It's perception with SBW though, sure he has two WC winners medals but I have a feeling the ABs would have done it with or without him.

    His impact off the bench in the 2011 semi final was memorable though.
     
    He certainly earned his stripes off the bench in 2015 (like you I think Fekitoa would have done the job too), but in 2011 I think they ostensibly carried him and he was a risk - we would have been a better unit with Toeava covering the outside backs than him IMO.



  • It's perception with SBW though, sure he has two WC winners medals but I have a feeling the ABs would have done it with or without him.

    not disputing that, obviously he has been labelled Money Bill Williams too, which is unfair given money does not appear to be his main motivator.
     
    But like Booboo says, maybe peoples views of what a mercenary is differs too.



  • His impact off the bench in the 2011 semi final was memorable though.
     
    He certainly earned his stripes off the bench in 2015 (like you I think Fekitoa would have done the job too), but in 2011 I think they ostensibly carried him and he was a risk - we would have been a better unit with Toeava covering the outside backs than him IMO.

    All I remember of him in that was missing Rougerie, not having a go, just being honest.
     
    People go on about him being a "supreme athlete" but really, what does he actually do aside from off loading that is head and shoulders above his peers ? run with incredible speed ? bump/fend/step guys ?



  • I've always thought there is much much more to the whole KP thing than what we know.
     
    Remember last year when Strauss was hung out to dry by all and sundry for effectively ending Pietersen's career?  Not many,if any, current England players came out in support of KP.  Cricket isn't as much as a team sport as others, but it still a team sport.
     
    For me, I woul have kicked him out after text-message gate, and offered him absolute no recourse right there and then.  Texting your homeland mates with tips on how to remove your adopted land captain is life without parole for me.



  • I've always thought there is much much more to the whole KP thing than what we know.
     
    Remember last year when Strauss was hung out to dry by all and sundry for effectively ending Pietersen's career?  Not many,if any, current England players came out in support of KP.  Cricket isn't as much as a team sport as others, but it still a team sport.
     
    For me, I woul have kicked him out after text-message gate, and offered him absolute no recourse right there and then.  Texting your homeland mates with tips on how to remove your adopted land captain is life without parole for me.

    On the field I always admired KP hugely, very good record, fighting qualities and certainly a really dashing batsman to watch for a tall guy. Agree about that texting shit though, absolutely unforgivable.



  • I've always thought there is much much more to the whole KP thing than what we know.
     
    Remember last year when Strauss was hung out to dry by all and sundry for effectively ending Pietersen's career?  Not many,if any, current England players came out in support of KP.  Cricket isn't as much as a team sport as others, but it still a team sport.

    Isn't that pretty reasonably explained by the fact that it's not easy/smart to come out and speak out against your new boss in his first week on the job? Path of least resistance really.
     
    Add to that half the squad was in flux anyway so publicly going against the establishment isn't a smart move for Moen Ali, Ben Stokes or Jos Butler to make trying to cement and Ashes birth.
     
    Most of the ex-players (including former teammates of his) came out in support of Pietersen and common sense. Flintoff, Vaughn, Hoggard, Harmisson. Basically anyone who knows the player (and Strauss for that matter) and doesn't fear retribution... except Swann.



  • Isn't that pretty reasonably explained by the fact that it's not easy/smart to come out and speak out against your new boss in his first week on the job? Path of least resistance really.
     
    Add to that half the squad was in flux anyway so publicly going against the establishment isn't a smart move for Moen Ali, Ben Stokes or Jos Butler to make trying to cement and Ashes birth.
     
    Most of the ex-players (including former teammates of his) came out in support of Pietersen and common sense. Flintoff, Vaughn, Hoggard, Harmisson. Basically anyone who knows the player (and Strauss for that matter) and doesn't fear retribution... except Swann.

    Common sense?
     
    So if Greg Rawlinson sent a text message to Victor Matfield explaining our line out calls, common sense is that he should be selected for the All Blacks again if he's showing some cracking form?
     
    With respect to your other points, they are fair - and I guess is why I think the public has really only been told less than half of the story.



  • Common sense?
     
    So if Greg Rawlinson sent a text message to Victor Matfield explaining our line out calls, common sense is that he should be selected for the All Blacks again if he's showing some cracking form?
     
    With respect to your other points, they are fair - and I guess is why I think the public has really only been told less than half of the story.

    Didn't he just call Strauss a doos? I genuinely could be missing something because I know the actual contents of the messages filtered out slowly but based on what I thought the texts were it would be more like Rawlinson texting Matfield saying Richie is the most boring man alive or something.
     
    Although equating Pietersen to Rawlinson and Richie to Strauss in terms of leadership is a poor showing anyway.
     
    I have no doubt grievances from the AB set up have been shared to other international players - specifically those playing for PI teams who play Super Rugby with ABs over the years. The SBW-Cooper text chain is unlikely to be glowing the praise for the AB set up. I do not doubt that Deans shared his grievances with his brother in law (RIP) during his early Wallaby days etc. This thing goes on.



  • I've spoken with people that share the same teams as KP. Of course the question of "What's he really like came up"
     
    Bit of a dick, but unanimously, KP always does what's best for KP and if KP needs you for something then KP is great. But when KP doesn't need you for something that benefits KP then you don't really exist.
     
    If you look at all the recommendations for KP, there's a common theme that KP will score you runs and win you matches. Not a lot of glowing personality recommendations
     
    But, whatever, each to their own



  • I would certainly consider him less of a mercenary than the senior NZ players who routinely miss tour matches to play in the IPL including two previous captains.

    Who seek permission from NZC and are granted permission from NZC.
     
    Take it up with David White and co rather than smearing the players.



  • Who seek permission from NZC and are granted permission from NZC.
    Take it up with David White and co rather than smearing the players.
    I'm not smearing the players. I am responding to comment about KPs willingness or unwillingness to play for his country above all others regardless of money. He seems to have it in spades. Make what you will of Vettori and McCullum.



  • It's potentially a bit of a thorny one the whole "being mates with the opposition" thing. I remember that photo of Sopoaga, Fekitoa, De Allende and Etzebeth on the piss last year. I mean who's to say that Fekitoa didn't compare midfield play with De Allende after a few wets and go on about how excited he would be when Nonu, Smith and SBW all fucked off and made his path easier ?



  • I'm not smearing the players. I am responding to comment about KPs willingness or unwillingness to play for his country above all others regardless of money. He seems to have it in spades. Make what you will of Vettori and McCullum.

    Bull shit, you labelled McCullum Vetori or Taylor as mercenaries. You didn't respond to anything. You tried to make a point by bringing in 3 totally unrelated people to the story and "smeared" them as mercenaries



  • Everyone is so pissy today... Not many ferners getting laid it would seem....



  • Bull shit, you labelled McCullum Vetori or Taylor as mercenaries. You didn't respond to anything. You tried to make a point by bringing in 3 totally unrelated people to the story and "smeared" them as mercenaries

    I said they were less mercenaries than KP who by your definition has been told not only he has permission to not play for England but to fuck off as well.



  • fucking painters and decorators



  • Everyone is so pissy today... Not many ferners getting laid it would seem....

    Yep. As Nick would say, don't be afraid to have the odd Willis if it helps relieve a bit of tension.
     
    Edit - there's some material to use in the Movie Review thread if you need it.



  • I would certainly consider him less of a mercenary than the senior NZ players who routinely miss tour matches to play in the IPL including two previous captains.

    I said they were less mercenaries than KP who by your definition has been told not only he has permission to not play for England but to fuck off as well.

    Oh my mistake - must have missed the memo that changed the English language   :think:
     
    Fancy a cup of tea (better virg? 🙂 )



  • Yep. As Nick would say, don't be afraid to have the odd Willis if it helps relieve a bit of tension.
     
    Edit - there's some material to use in the Movie Review thread if you need it.

    Back in five minutes.
     
    What? I'm at work? Who cares! I'm sitting in the corner anyway.



  • Some levity for macho monday: NSFW
     


     
     
    Can anyone just post the URL without the title screaming WILLISING
     
    It really is clever comedy



  • Yep. As Nick would say, don't be afraid to have the odd Willis if it helps relieve a bit of tension.
     
    Edit - there's some material to use in the Movie Review thread if you need it.

    Sorted.



  • How is it difficult to believe? He moved to England because he wasn't getting a fair shake in RSA, it would only make sense he would do the reverse if the Proteas are willing to give him an opportunity.
     
    What happened before the Ashes was an absolute embarrassment for the ECB - Pietersen rightfully should play elsewhere after that.

    Difficult to believe because he has had a great career playing for one country and it seems very odd (to me at least) that he would:-
     
    1.Wish to play for another country.
    2.Be wanted by another country.
    3.Qualify to play for another country.
     
    The embarrassment thing though - spot on. A bloody laughing stock.



  • On the "texting SA", as Rotated pointed out, he wasn't saying "here's our bowling plan" he was saying "Strauss is a doos" in a private conversation to a friend. Its complete bullshit to say he was sabotaging England. Shane Warne has said worse than that re his team-mates into a stump mike
     
    Re the other players backing him, almost ALL the young guys have spoken about how good KP was. Guys like Compton & Root who were new to the team spoke about how KP was the only senior guy prepared to try to help them - and he was prepared to benbd over backwards to do so. The guys who didn't speak up were the clique around Prior, Anderson & Swann. That dressing roon was a fluffybunny fest, but there's a fair bit pointing to KP being the least fluffybunny-y
     
    Prior by all accounts is a massive asshole. KP in contrast is just a bit thick.
     
    KP is an idiot & loves himself, but he has been the guy who carried England time after time (2005 Ashes, India tour, 2010 T20 WC) & he was prepared to do anything to get back playing & Strauss shafted him because he (Strauss) had a personal issue with him. To say KP is a mercenary implies he didn't care if England won or lost so long as he did well, thats bollocks, KP cared hugly about England cricket.
     
    I'd love to see him playing T20 for SA, if only because he's one of the greatest players of the last 20 years. Dumb as a box of hair. But a wonderful player.



  • On the "texting SA", as Rotated pointed out, he wasn't saying "here's our bowling plan" he was saying "Strauss is a doos" in a private conversation to a friend. Its complete bullshit to say he was sabotaging England. Shane Warne has said worse than that re his team-mates into a stump mike
     
    Re the other players backing him, almost ALL the young guys have spoken about how good KP was. Guys like Compton & Root who were new to the team spoke about how KP was the only senior guy prepared to try to help them - and he was prepared to benbd over backwards to do so. The guys who didn't speak up were the clique around Prior, Anderson & Swann. That dressing roon was a fluffybunny fest, but there's a fair bit pointing to KP being the least fluffybunny-y

    He said more than that.  He recommended ways to bowl to Strauss.



  • He said more than that.  He recommended ways to bowl to Strauss.

    http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/8945613/andrew-strauss-admits-he-was-dumbfounded-by-kevin-pietersen-text-scandal
     
    Not according to Strauss
     
    http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/58711/strauss-reveals-details-of-kp-text-saga
     
    "After being dropped for the Test, KP admitted sending 'provocative' text messages and after the match came to my house and sincerely apologised. I accepted his apology and hold no grudges against him. I am also confident, in retrospect, that he did not give the South Africans information on how to get me out. The far greater issue was one of trust. There were many involved with English cricket, including myself, who felt particularly let down. Stuff that should have stayed in the dressing room had been played out in front of the media."



  • On the "texting SA", as Rotated pointed out, he wasn't saying "here's our bowling plan" he was saying "Strauss is a doos" in a private conversation to a friend. Its complete bullshit to say he was sabotaging England. Shane Warne has said worse than that re his team-mates into a stump mike
     
    Re the other players backing him, almost ALL the young guys have spoken about how good KP was. Guys like Compton & Root who were new to the team spoke about how KP was the only senior guy prepared to try to help them - and he was prepared to benbd over backwards to do so. The guys who didn't speak up were the clique around Prior, Anderson & Swann. That dressing roon was a fluffybunny fest, but there's a fair bit pointing to KP being the least fluffybunny-y
     
    Prior by all accounts is a massive asshole. KP in contrast is just a bit thick.
     
    KP is an idiot & loves himself, but he has been the guy who carried England time after time (2005 Ashes, India tour, 2010 T20 WC) & he was prepared to do anything to get back playing & Strauss shafted him because he (Strauss) had a personal issue with him. To say KP is a mercenary implies he didn't care if England won or lost so long as he did well, thats bollocks, KP cared hugly about England cricket.
     
    I'd love to see him playing T20 for SA, if only because he's one of the greatest players of the last 20 years. Dumb as a box of hair. But a wonderful player.

    No way.....and this is coming from a big fan of his work.


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