Anzac Day



  • Was a decent service , learned that Admiral Jellicoe who was in charge of the fleet at the battle of Jutland was governer General after the war and one of his last acts before he left was to hold the first ceremony at the war memorial we go to ,
    Next year if there's another one of those toy "dogs" yapping and whining anywhere near me it's going over the cenotaph like I'm Morne Steyn playing on the high veldt.



  • Fuck yeah - make sure you're wearing a GoPro.
     
    I took the boy out for a ride this morning and some shops were open before midday. Now I know its tough to run a small business, but at least fucking hold off until midday Mr Indian Grocery Store Owner. No-one will die if you don't sell something once an hour.



  • Fuck yeah - make sure you're wearing a GoPro.
     
    I took the boy out for a ride this morning and some shops were open before midday. Now I know its tough to run a small business, but at least fucking hold off until midday Mr Indian Grocery Store Owner. No-one will die if you don't sell something once an hour.

    On my morning walk I saw a bunch of pubs open, so you might want to give the Indian bloke a pass for following the lead of his fellow countrymen.



  • Ms boo jr did the march with Girl Guides this morning. Carried the NZ flag. (The traditional one 🙂 )



  • On my morning walk I saw a bunch of pubs open, so you might want to give the Indian bloke a pass for following the lead of his fellow countrymen.
    Nup. Give it half a day, and let the mayhem commence at midday



  • Went to the service in Lower Hutt, couldn't hear a word that was being said and Hutt folk aren't into singing hymns but the last post sends a good old shiver up the spine every time. Was thinking that WWII vets are seriously few and far between now, a young fella of 17-18 towards the end of the war would be 90 odd now. My sons school made a huge deal about it last year and to see both of them get interested is really heartwarming. It's such an important day that I hope is recognised forever....
     
    I'm neither here nor there about pubs being open, I'm meeting a mate later today at one to toast my granddads, if ya don't approve of them trading then don't fucken go to them.



  • Nup. Give it half a day, and let the mayhem commence at midday

    Wasn't really my point ... but you know that.



  • Was a decent service , learned that Admiral Jellicoe who was in charge of the fleet at the battle of Jutland was governer General after the war and one of his last acts before he left was to hold the first ceremony at the war memorial we go to ,
    Next year if there's another one of those toy "dogs" yapping and whining anywhere near me it's going over the cenotaph like I'm Morne Steyn playing on the high veldt.

    I have started a shitfight on my Facebook page after complaining about these two toddlers who were talking and moaning all the way through the service. We were right next to them and yes, we could have moved, but there were plenty of others turning around and giving disapproving looks at the little shits. I could almost tolerate talking and mumbling while the hymns etc are on, but the dipshit father should have recognised the worst of his two kids wasn't going to shut up during the silent tribute (seeing as he hadn't stopped dribbling shit out of his mouth for the previous 45 minutes) and moved the kid away from the crowd for a couple of minutes. Needless to say he didn't, and needless to say the kid didn't shut up.
     
    Naturally, some of my "parent'' friends have defended taking kids along to the service. That wasn't my point of course but it's a pleasure watching them get up in arms.



  • It's the first year I've heard kids being noisey, I can understand it to a certain degree but I agree with you about them moving away as s courtesy. What kind of fuckwit brings a dog especially one that whines and yaps?



  • On my morning walk I saw a bunch of pubs open, so you might want to give the Indian bloke a pass for following the lead of his fellow countrymen.

    Pubs are different.



  • I have started a shitfight on my Facebook page after complaining about these two toddlers who were talking and moaning all the way through the service. We were right next to them and yes, we could have moved, but there were plenty of others turning around and giving disapproving looks at the little shits. I could almost tolerate talking and mumbling while the hymns etc are on, but the dipshit father should have recognised the worst of his two kids wasn't going to shut up during the silent tribute (seeing as he hadn't stopped dribbling shit out of his mouth for the previous 45 minutes) and moved the kid away from the crowd for a couple of minutes. Needless to say he didn't, and needless to say the kid didn't shut up.
     
    Naturally, some of my "parent'' friends have defended taking kids along to the service. That wasn't my point of course but it's a pleasure watching them get up in arms.
    That isnt a parent thing.... that s a selfish pick thing



  • Pubs are different.

    How?



  • No run by Indians?



  • It's the first year I've heard kids being noisey, I can understand it to a certain degree but I agree with you about them moving away as s courtesy. What kind of fuckwit brings a dog especially one that whines and yaps?It's no longer about solemn remembrance - it's about being able to tell people you were there.How?Because drinking and two-up.



  • It's no longer about solemn remembrance - it's about being able to tell people you were there.

    Very much so. FB feed is full of people checking in at dawn services. Dubious as to why you'd do this.



  • Very much so. FB feed is full of people checking in at dawn services. Dubious as to why you'd do this.

    This is pretty sad , I get the sense some people are trying to out grieve each other a bit.
    It was a little bit different this year at the end , the sergeant major in charge of the parade tore into us like we at basic training which got a few laughs .



  • I have started a shitfight on my Facebook page after complaining about these two toddlers who were talking and moaning all the way through the service. We were right next to them and yes, we could have moved, but there were plenty of others turning around and giving disapproving looks at the little shits. I could almost tolerate talking and mumbling while the hymns etc are on, but the dipshit father should have recognised the worst of his two kids wasn't going to shut up during the silent tribute (seeing as he hadn't stopped dribbling shit out of his mouth for the previous 45 minutes) and moved the kid away from the crowd for a couple of minutes. Needless to say he didn't, and needless to say the kid didn't shut up.
     
    Naturally, some of my "parent'' friends have defended taking kids along to the service. That wasn't my point of course but it's a pleasure watching them get up in arms.

    My opinion on this is stay away if you have young children. You can be thankful at home. The parents who think they are being the ultimate patriots by showing their children they have respect for the Anzacs are stupid. Don't bring your "the Anzacs fought for our freedom and I am exercising mine by bringing my screaming kids to dawn service." argument here either.
     
    Your kids don't know where they are. They just know its dark, cold and there are tons of strangers standing there, silent, in the dark....
     
    Take your kids after 6yrs. They know when to shut up mostly and they can at least try to comprehend the importance of the occasion.
     
    Honestly and sincerely parents, stop being c@nts.



  • Wasn't really my point ... but you know that.

    My point was, even pubs should have a think about their opening hours on Anzac Day.
     
    If there are services, then I have no issue with the RSL being open if old mates want to catch up for a beer / cuppa and have a chat. That is what the RSL is for, IMHO - a place for those people who have served, and to help raise funds for those who have served, and need help (Legacy etc).



  • My point was, even pubs should have a think about their opening hours on Anzac Day.
     
    If there are services, then I have no issue with the RSL being open if old mates want to catch up for a beer / cuppa and have a chat. That is what the RSL is for, IMHO - a place for those people who have served, and to help raise funds for those who have served, and need help (Legacy etc).

    Your Aussienglish didn't translate correctly ;), it appeared as you were still coming down on the shopkeeper while ignoring the pubs.



  • No run by Indians?

    Cowboys!
     
    I took my kids to a service (not the dawn one) about 4 years ago and my daughter was only 3, and she talked a little, but only in asking questions about things, I moved to the back, one old fella gave us the evils, but another came back and was really helpful in telling her in much better detail than I could.
     
    Only taken TR Jnr to Dawn services, although Miss TR is now at the point where she is old enough to come along too and know when to keep quiet...only issue will be waking her before dawn!



  • Your Aussienglish didn't translate correctly ;), it appeared as you were still coming down on the shopkeeper while ignoring the pubs.

    If, say, it was a small town, and the RSL sub-branch was closed, and the pub was the only watering hole, then yeah, open. Even if you're owned by Indians 🙂
     
    And its 'Strayan, not your bloody complicated word



  • My dad died 51 weeks ago today.
    His wife invited my bro and I to take something to remember him by.
    I was shocked to find his Aussie dog tags in his bedside drawer.
    Says a lot I reckon that through over 30 house moves he had them next to him at 84.
    I was über proud to wear them today.
    Being so close to the first anniversary of his death made it even more poignant but I was humbled to be able to wear them and recognise those that gave us the freedoms we enjoy today.



  • Sorry to hear about your dad Dogmeat. Where did he serve?



  • Sorry to hear about your dad Dogmeat. Where did he serve?

    Me too. 84 would be too young for WWII wouldn't it ?



  • I was thinking Korea or Malaya like my dad



  • He signed up at 15 and 5 foot 2 but WW2 ended before he finished training.
    He was in J force. Made it to Japan in time to participate in official surrender ceremony.
    Then was sent to Hiroshima to help with relief.
    Was also a part of relief part for 48 Tokyo quake.
    So never in combat but saw a lot.
    Left army 3 months before Korean War started



  • Holy shit that's ridiculously young, I thought I woulda been a few years off at least. That generation grew up so much quicker than todays.....



  • This might interest you , I haven't read it but J force got a bit of attention when the book came out http://www.penguin.co.nz/products/9780143567240/occupiers-new-zealand-veterans-remember-post-war-japan/74437/extract



  • Thanks jegga
    My old man never talked about his service apart from an island he went to with a really tall statue of a dick -the difficulties in getting to know the local popn and because he saw their suffering first hand the contrast with how he had felt about them and how many of the vets he served with still did.
    He didn't like the yanks. Very racist he thought.
    And like the article he felt bad he hadn't seen combat.
    I also think being 15 and serving with hardened veterans Hasan life long effect on him



  • My old man was of Scottish heritage living and working in the States and narrowly avoided the Vietnam draft. I think being a boxing fan he definitely took the Muhammad Ali view of that particular conflict.



  • Fuck yeah - make sure you're wearing a GoPro.
     
    I took the boy out for a ride this morning and some shops were open before midday. Now I know its tough to run a small business, but at least fucking hold off until midday Mr Indian Grocery Store Owner. No-one will die if you don't sell something once an hour.

    On my morning walk I saw a bunch of pubs open, so you might want to give the Indian bloke a pass for following the lead of his fellow countrymen.

    Here it's 1pm on ANZAC Day, but dairies, petrol stations and places which serve food are exempt. Alcohol can be sold with food before 1pm (liquor license permitting).



  • http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/woolworths-facing-hefty-fines-after-breaching-anzac-day-trading-restrictions-in-nsw/news-story/b8ddd62634f84932ca6256f49ca41a91
     
     
    ...
    Under NSW law, Anzac Day is classified as a restricted trading day, with large retailers including Coles, Aldi and Woolworths not permitted to open before 1:00pm.
    In previous years, the NSW government would allow IR inspectors to use “common sense” and allow businesses to prepare for trade by letting staff in early, but that allowance was dropped this year by Ms Berejiklian.
    Legislating for setup time was proposed as part of the Boxing Day trade amendments late last year, but was not agreed to by all parties and subsequently removed from the negotiations.
    Retailers were informed of the decision several weeks ago, meaning staff were not legally allowed to enter premises before 1:00pm this year.
    Under the NSW Retail Trading Act 2008, a shop is in breach of trading restrictions if “orders for goods were received by a person in attendance at the shop” or “goods were received, or unpacked or otherwise prepared, at the shop for sale at the shop”.
    The laws are intended to prevent stores from gaining an unfair advantage over their competitors.
    Customers snapped pictures of BBQ chickens time-stamped as early as 10:50am and bread rolls labelled before 12:49pm. News.com.au understands others were told by sushi team members the sushi was prepared at 10:00am.
    Breaches carry maximum penalties of $11,000 per store. Woolworths has 250 stores in New South Wales, meaning if every store is found to have breached trading restrictions, the total penalties could be as high as $2.75 million.
    A maximum $11,000 penalty also applies if any team member was coerced into working.
    In one recent case, a Supa IGA in Appin was fined $1700 for opening on restricted trading days Good Friday and Easter Sunday and advertising that they were open.
    “Any alleged breaches will be investigated by NSW Industrial Relations inspectors,” Ms Berejiklian said.
    In a statement, a Woolworths spokeswoman said: “Clear direction was given to stores that volunteer salaried managers were allowed to enter and undertake certain limited preparations for opening at 1:00pm.
    “This is in line with the NSW regulations. We were keen to ensure our customers’ shopping experience today, as on all days, met their expectations.”
    ...



  • Under NSW law, Anzac Day is classified as a restricted trading day, with large retailers including Coles, Aldi and Woolworths not permitted to open before 1:00pm

    Ah, I see, NTA, you're shill-ing for your company. 😉



  • 🙂
     
    Fuck 'em.



  • Very much so. FB feed is full of people checking in at dawn services. Dubious as to why you'd do this.

    As was mine. The dawn parade I went to last year was littered with camera flashes as trendily dressed people took dozens of photos on their camera phones, presumably to show their mates they were there.
     
    My Facebook newsfeed contained more than a few people who wouldn't have the time of day to yarn to an old veteran on the bus and wouldn't be seen dead in an RSA 364 days of the year, but by 7am on the 25th of April they've already posted half a dozen photos to Facebook with some cliche rant about freedom that quite probably don't believe. 
     
    In hindsight, I really need to do a Facebook friend cull...



  • As was mine. The dawn parade I went to last year was littered with camera flashes as trendily dressed people took dozens of photos on their camera phones, presumably to show their mates they were there.
     
    My Facebook newsfeed contained more than a few people who wouldn't have the time of day to yarn to an old veteran on the bus and wouldn't be seen dead in an RSA 364 days of the year, but by 7am on the 25th of April they've already posted half a dozen photos to Facebook with some cliche rant about freedom that quite probably don't believe. 
     
    In hindsight, I really need to do a Facebook friend cull...

    If I can actually get my sons to come along to one when they're older I'll get a photo for FB but I agree with all of the above. Better half and I went and certainly don't feel the need to tell the world and certainly didn't take a photo between us. Nothing I enjoyed more than yarning with my Grandad about his old war stories over a milo when I was little and a beer as I got older.



  • If you go to a dawn service and don't publish a photo to social media, did you even go?



  • Telling people about it on Facebook is waaaay less real than bragging how much you care on the Fern



  • Telling people about it on Facebook is waaaay less real than bragging how much you care on the Fern

    I'm glad someone else saw the irony 🙂



  • CF jnr wanted to attend the dawn service so I took him along (my first time too, don't know why I've never gone before). Very dusty at the cenotaph it must be said. Also it was the first time I've sung Advance Australia Fair too. One and only time this year....


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