Uber v Taxis



  • I am yet to use Uber but I was wondering after reading an article on some protesting taxi drivers, how come an Uber driver doesn't need to have a license endorsed to carry passengers but taxi drivers do?



  • I think they use a loophole and call it ride sharing . I'd be wary of driving for them , it looks like overseas it ends up being a shit deal for the drivers.
    My dad was a cab driver and that wasn't s particularly lucrative industry back then , he did have the occasional bonus of hanging round parliament and subjecting mps to his rants while they were his captive audience though.



  • It's been great for christchurch.
     
    Apparently we had some of the most expensive taxis in the world, and jeez they were unreliable.
     
    If there was a major event in town, you couldnt get a taxi to the suburbs. A couple of nights I had to wait 3 hours plus for a taxi.
     
    Uber is about half the price, a shitload more reliable. and they have a rating system for drivers and passengers. Anyone dodgy gets blacklisted straight away.
     
     
    My Mrs (or as you w@nkers say "better half") works at a restaurant, and doesnt drive. She's Mexican but often gets mistaken for Indian. I've lost count of the times she was uncomfortably propositioned by taxi drivers on her way home (may sound racist, but its the way it's happened)
     
     
    She catches 4-5 ubers a week now and has yet to encounter anything but exceptional service. 
     
     
    I have asked the drivers a few times how well they get paid. For most its a second job and not extremely well paid, they get 80% of the fare I think from memory. but they all seem happy to be doing it



  • It's been great for christchurch.
     
    Apparently we had some of the most expensive taxis in the world, and jeez they were unreliable.
     
    If there was a major event in town, you couldnt get a taxi to the suburbs. A couple of nights I had to wait 3 hours plus for a taxi.
     
    Uber is about half the price, a shitload more reliable. and they have a rating system for drivers and passengers. Anyone dodgy gets blacklisted straight away.
     
     
    My Mrs (or as you w@nkers say "better half") works at a restaurant, and doesnt drive. She's Mexican but often gets mistaken for Indian. I've lost count of the times she was uncomfortably propositioned by taxi drivers on her way home (may sound racist, but its the way it's happened)
     
     
    She catches 4-5 ubers a week now and has yet to encounter anything but exceptional service. 
     
     
    I have asked the drivers a few times how well they get paid. For most its a second job and not extremely well paid, they get 80% of the fare I think from memory. but they all seem happy to be doing it

    A real gentleman would go and pick her up :whistle:
     
    Funny you mention the uncomfortable proposition thing, a really nice Fijian indian chick I worked with got propositioned by an Indian guy in the office ( they were based in Auckland but I got to meet them via Skype every week so got to know them all reasonably well ).
     
    Dodgy Indians on the pull just make your skin crawl, luckily this creep got the boot. Happened to my ex wife ( who is NZ European ) from a cabby as well at three in the morning, after he dropped her I could hear them arguing, he wanted FIFTY dollars for a ride from Courtney Place to Berhampore. I woke up and informed him that his kind weren't tolerated on my lawn and he should leave. I'm not racist but in the heat of the moment it seemed the thing to say. She got a free lift out of the whole thing too. Sweet.



  • A real gentleman would go and pick her up :whistle:

    I don't drive either. 
     
    We've had this discussion on another thread (and you called me a piston wristed gibbon who rides a bike or something similar) 🙂



  • The uber long term business plan is self driving cars. They have all the infrastructure for the rest of it now, so it doesn't surprise me to hear that they don't look after their drivers all that well.
     
    Still competition for taxis is a good thing, as long as passengers are safe.



  • I don't drive either. 
     
    We've had this discussion on another thread (and you called me a Willis who rides a bike or something similar) 🙂

    You don't drive ??????
     
    While I'll happily walk somewhere rather than drive the inconvenience would get to me I think. Any particular reason ? ( don't worry, not gonna start a car vs cyclist debate although I still enjoy getting the popcorn to read about the clusterfuck that is the island bay cycleway in welly 🙂 )



  • You don't drive ??????
     
    While I'll happily walk somewhere rather than drive the inconvenience would get to me I think. Any particular reason ? ( don't worry, not gonna start a car vs cyclist debate although I still enjoy getting the popcorn to read about the clusterfuck that is the island bay cycleway in welly 🙂 )

    I can drive, just don't own a car. Sold my last car about 3 years ago.
     
    I just love cycling mate, even in the cold and rain I'd rather be on my bike..
     
     
    Occasionally I'll rent or borrow a car for a weekend to run a few errands or take a trip out of town, but other than that have no need. 
     
     
    So anyway back on topic, Uber has been bloody great for me. It's like catching a ride with a friend and giving them a little money for it



  • Cyclings a very third world way of getting around and that's before we delve into the murky motivations behind wearing bike pants and sharing the sight of your scrotum with unsuspecting cafe diners.
    Back to uber I'm sure I read that overseas they finance drivers into cars which is a way of locking them into working for them . At first that doesn't probably seem too bad until uber lowers the rates without lowering the percentage of their cut.



  • I can drive, just don't own a car. Sold my last car about 3 years ago.
     
    I just love cycling mate, even in the cold and rain I'd rather be on my bike..
     
     
    Occasionally I'll rent or borrow a car for a weekend to run a few errands or take a trip out of town, but other than that have no need. 
     
     
    So anyway back on topic, Uber has been bloody great for me. It's like catching a ride with a friend and giving them a little money for it

    I think I'd only ever use it if I was on the piss and even then as I said I'm happy to walk most places even at 2 in the morning from town ( although I haven't done this for years ), needless to say I would never have let the ex contemplate this so she always cabbed it ( or would have Ubered if it existed ) my partner lives in the Hutt and rarely drinks so my rides are usually covered that way.



  • Dry July also helps!



  • My first experience with uber put me off for a long time - the driver cancelled the booking 2 mins before the due pick-up, but I did eventually give it a go and has been very good. I'll still jump in a cab if I walk out of a bar and ones sitting there but otherwise the app makes it so easy and its cheap.
     
    I even had to organise a couple the other week from Dunedin for someone up in Akl who had no money and had to get a rather complicated trip. Spoke to driver and could follow progress on app - all good.
     
    I have had the same driver quite a few times and he said he was a taxi driver for 20 years and he has never had it so good, so it must be possible to make some money. Like MN5 I'm usually happy to walk but having done it from Akl CBD to the shore once, I decided a cab is easier (I was fine until the beers ran out at about 3 am in Bayswater and I still had about another 8 kms to walk).



  • Cyclings a very third world way of getting around and that's before we delve into the murky motivations behind wearing bike pants and sharing the sight of your scrotum with unsuspecting cafe diners.

    As I said, I do it because I enjoy it. I don't need a car to prove I'm rich and successful like you do 🙂
     
    I've never worn lycra into a cafe at all, fuck those guys.
     
    The only time I wear lycra is on training rides and is a necessity for comfort reasons. (most Sundays I hit the hills for 4-6 hours). You'd get some pretty uncomfortable chafing doing that in cotton rugby shorts.



  • When did I become either rich or successful? Why am I the last to know these things?


  • Banned

    I'm a bit torn over the issue. On the one hand it seems unfair to someone who has followed the rules and paid a shitload for a taxi license. On the other hand, the price and quality of taxis are so shit that they don't deserve customers. I've used Uber quite a few times. They're really really good. Clean car, reasonable prices, nice competent drivers, even a bottle of water or mints.
    Taxis are now ridiculously expensive and instead of being driven by a local who knows pretty much every street, you get someone who appears to have been in the country for 5 minutes and who doesn't even know where major highways are. My wife needed a taxi home from the hospital once and the driver had no idea how to even get near her destination.
    The father of one of the kids in my sons soccer team is an uber driver. It isn't great money, but you can clock on and off at any time and it's a great way to supplement your income. This particular fella works over the other side of town and on Friday afternoon he'll switch on the app and make some money on the way home.
    So again, I sympathize with taxi owners but they have to seriously lift their game.



  • Taxi service up here sucks, don't think we have Uber at all...
     
    I joined a Workingmans type club, who have a courtesy van, and plenty of memebrs use it as a taxi service: ie get to the Club, have a few, van takes you out to restaurant or where ever, get van to bring you back, have a couple more brews and get it to take you home, usually gold coin donation per person.
     
    Is very handy!
     
    When I first arrived in the UK and got stranded at Baker Street at 2am a black cab driver got me and my mate lost and wanted to charge us the full fare (£115) once we eventually got home, but we offered him Â£60 otherwise we were gonna leg it (having pulled up down the road form our house)



  • Havent used a taxi for a long time now. Always uber - to clients, to/from functions, airports etc.
     
    Actually used uber a lot on Bangkok over the past few weeks as felt safer than their dodgy taxis and better than tuk tuks. So cheap there too. 20min ride across town cost us 73 baht (about $3) and that was at surge rates too. Awesome.



  • Dry July also helps!

    I'm doing fucken well so far, extremely proud of myself, helps when the beer is in the garage at the other halfs place and have lost a kg or two already.....

    As I said, I do it because I enjoy it. I don't need a car to prove I'm rich and successful like you do 🙂
     
    I've never worn lycra into a cafe at all, fuck those guys.
     
    The only time I wear lycra is on training rides and is a necessity for comfort reasons. (most Sundays I hit the hills for 4-6 hours). You'd get some pretty uncomfortable chafing doing that in cotton rugby shorts.

    I'm a real non car guy too to be fair. Have never owned anything particularly flash and as a topic of conversation it gets boring really fast.

    Taxi service up here sucks, don't think we have Uber at all...
     
    I joined a Workingmans type club, who have a courtesy van, and plenty of memebrs use it as a taxi service: ie get to the Club, have a few, van takes you out to restaurant or where ever, get van to bring you back, have a couple more brews and get it to take you home, usually gold coin donation per person.
     
    Is very handy!
     
    When I first arrived in the UK and got stranded at Baker Street at 2am a black cab driver got me and my mate lost and wanted to charge us the full fare (£115) once we eventually got home, but we offered him Â£60 otherwise we were gonna leg it (having pulled up down the road form our house)

    You were boasting about your incredible pace on the MN5 fitness forum, I can only imagine how rapid you would have been in your prime.



  • I'm a real non car guy too to be fair. Have never owned anything particularly flash and as a topic of conversation it gets boring really fast.

    Ha ha I hear you.
     
    Nothing 'bores me more than retards arguing over which is better, Holden or Ford! They are both RUBBISH (I own a Holden and drive a ford for work)



  • Ha ha I hear you.
    Nothing 'bores me more than retards arguing over which is better, Holden or Ford! They are both RUBBISH (I own a Holden and drive a ford for work)

    Damn right, mopar or no car.



  • I've only had positive experiences with Uber. The convenience and the price are what sets it apart from taxis.
    I love that I can request a car within my iphone, get a quote, agree, and be in the car within 2-3 minutes paying 30% less than what I would in a taxi.
    The drivers I've spoken to find it ok. None of them bad mouthed Uber.
    I lived in the UK for 8 years and did not have a bad experience in a Black Cab.
    In Australia... been back here for 6 years, numerous bad experiences with taxi drivers. Some are aggressive, some are racist... and some are just plain d1ckheads.



  • Ha ha I hear you.
     
    Nothing 'bores me more than retards arguing over which is better, Holden or Ford! They are both RUBBISH (I own a Holden and drive a ford for work)

    Amen brother, amen. One thing that pisses me off even more than people arbitrarily aligning themselves to State of O teams is "hilarious" memes about Ford drivers being gay.......because they drive Fords !!!!!! Oh the hilarity.........
     
    I drive a Ford but I'm into women, what is wrong with me ?



  • a lot



  • a lot

    True, but being a pigeon chested, badly dressed grey haired fuck isn't an issue for me at least.



  • Amen brother, amen. One thing that pisses me off even more than people arbitrarily aligning themselves to State of O teams is "hilarious" memes about Ford drivers being gay.......because they drive Fords !!!!!! Oh the hilarity.........
    I drive a Ford but I'm into women, what is wrong with me ?

    Bloody hell mate, you really left the goal mouth open there



  • Bloody hell mate, you really left the goal mouth open there

    Only if I cared what people thought about the car I drive. A photographer mate of mine proudly states that his camera gear is worth close to twenty times what his car is worth.



  • Only if I cared what people thought about the car I drive. A photographer mate of mine proudly states that his camera gear is worth close to twenty times what his car is worth.

    A lot of people see cars as status symbols.... that's why I got a bit annoyed about Jegga claiming cyclists are Third world
     
    It happens a lot with cyclists too, I'm constantly hearing about other blokes $10,000 carbon racing bikes. Most of whom would benefit far more from dropping 10kg than spending so much on a bike to make them go marginally faster.
     
    My race bike is a 12 year old Cannondale, which I've maintained superbly and still rides like new, and I smash those losers up the hills on it too.



  • A lot of people see cars as status symbols.... that's why I got a bit annoyed about Jegga claiming cyclists are Third world
     
    It happens a lot with cyclists too, I'm constantly hearing about other blokes $10,000 carbon racing bikes. Most of whom would benefit far more from dropping 10kg than spending so much on a bike to make them go marginally faster.
     
    My race bike is a 12 year old Cannondale, which I've maintained superbly and still rides like new, and I smash those losers up the hills on it too.

    A mate of mine spent 12k on a bike and is well into cycling, so much that I haven't seen him in months.
     
    I'm all for fitness and what have you but as I alluded to, a fucken huge cycleway was added in island bay and yet they STILL complain. I go down that way at least twice a day and rarely if ever see it being used.



  • Uber is the near perfect modern business for getting from A to B.  It's all down via your smartphone, you don't have to part with any direct cash (Win-win for driver and passenger), has a decent supply and demand model and is all setup for the next step (driverless cars) as Kirwan pointed out.
     
    But the best thing is that it's international.   It's the same app anywhere, and the same billing service.  Get off the plane into another country, pull the phone out and off you go.  It really is that simple.



  • Actually, we used uber black in Bangkok - you get a much classier vehicle but only fractionally more expensive



  • A lot of people see cars as status symbols.... that's why I got a bit annoyed about Jegga claiming cyclists are Third world
    It happens a lot with cyclists too, I'm constantly hearing about other blokes $10,000 carbon racing bikes. Most of whom would benefit far more from dropping 10kg than spending so much on a bike to make them go marginally faster.
    My race bike is a 12 year old Cannondale, which I've maintained superbly and still rides like new, and I smash those losers up the hills on it too.

    I said it was a third world way of getting around, .
    Also it was meant as s joke mate.



  • http://www.insurancebusinessonline.co.nz/nz/news/breaking-news/new-chch-uber-drivers-will-wear-any-insurance-issues-219106.aspx
     
    Nearly 60 Uber drivers have been caught operating illegally in the two months since the ride-sharing service speeded up and relaxed its registration process for new drivers when it launched in Christchurch.
    The New Zealand Transport Agency said it was cracking down on the new way Uber was operating as it was illegal, and sending any new drivers registering with the company an outline of what their legal obligations were.
    “We are making it very, very clear to new drivers that come on board what their legal obligations are,” NZTA operations manager Kate Styles told Radio New Zealand.
    “The fines will be on them, the record will be on their own drivers licence, any insurance issues they will be wearing those.
    “People are under no illusion that they are liable.”
    About 1,700 drivers had signed up to Uber in the past two months, she said.
    “Over the last two months we have been really clear with Uber that the new way they are operating is illegal,” she said.
    Coinciding with its Christchurch launch, Uber adopted a different driver registration model to its Auckland and Wellington services, despite not getting the green light from the Government to do so.
    In Christchurch, Uber drivers can get approved through a registration that costs $20 and takes six days to obtain. They usually require a ‘P’ endorsement – a passenger endorsement ticket from the NZTA that costs $2,000 and takes three months to get.
    This change has triggered a drop in income according to Christchurch’s taxi drivers, who staged a protest in the city earlier this week.
    Taxi Federation spokesman Tim Reddish said Uber drivers had not been made to meet the same legal requirements as taxi drivers, such as compliance costs, full criminal checks and marked cars.
    “We have no worries about the competition, what we are concerned about is an even market playing field, passenger safety guarantees, and the current legislation are being observed, and they’re not being,” Radio New Zealand reported.



  • Only if I cared what people thought about the car I drive. A photographer mate of mine proudly states that his camera gear is worth close to twenty times what his car is worth.

    You asked what was wrong with you, m4l couldn't resist although you did return fire.


  • Banned

    Couldn't care less about the model or type of a car, but having a car is great. Fook biking it around.
     
    I didn't have a car for 12 years when I lived in Norway. I walked everywhere or took public transport. I used to walk km after km through snow and farking ice and froze my nuts off waiting for the train that was almost always delayed or cancelled. Naturally that also applied to my kids. Sure it built character, but it wasn't much fun.
     
    Having a car now has given me so much freedom. I don't have to plan trips around timetables and going to the shop for some milk or eggs won't take 20 minutes. First world problems perhaps, but I live in the first world dammit.
     
    Cars rule.



  • A lot of people see cars as status symbols.... that's why I got a bit annoyed about Jegga claiming cyclists are Third world
     
    It happens a lot with cyclists too, I'm constantly hearing about other blokes $10,000 carbon racing bikes. Most of whom would benefit far more from dropping 10kg than spending so much on a bike to make them go marginally faster.
     
    My race bike is a 12 year old Cannondale, which I've maintained superbly and still rides like new, and I smash those losers up the hills on it too.

    Everything is a status symbol these days - car, house, bike, boat etc etc.
     
    The real trick about status symbols is remember that if you are happy with yourself, you have no reason to give a shit about them.
     
    The person that thinks they are of a higher status because they own a nicer house, faster car etc, is really not the type of person whose opinion/thoughts you should give a single second of thought about.



  • You asked what was wrong with you, m4l couldn't resist although you did return fire.

    True. It was a bit of a hospital pass to myself.



  • Everything is a status symbol these days - car, house, bike, boat etc etc.
     
    The real trick about status symbols is remember that if you are happy with yourself, you have no reason to give a shit about them.
     
    The person that thinks they are of a higher status because they own a nicer house, faster car etc, is really not the type of person whose opinion/thoughts you should give a single second of thought about.

    Not so much in NZ I reckon MR.
     
    Certainly there will be some like that but for the most, I find those with money don't show it off as much in NZ.
     
    In saying that, if I won Lotto tonight, I would go out and purchase a Bently, not becasue I want to show off, but becasue they are beautiful cars to drive and I could afford the comfort



  • "We cannot make any profit at all at the rate set by Uber, which is really a slavery rate," said group spokesman Leon Kang.http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/business/uber-drivers-threaten-strike-over-slavery-rates/



  • Not so much in NZ I reckon MR.
    Certainly there will be some like that but for the most, I find those with money don't show it off as much in NZ.
    In saying that, if I won Lotto tonight, I would go out and purchase a Bently, not becasue I want to show off, but becasue they are beautiful cars to drive and I could afford the comfort

    A few years ago I had a client with a new Bentley and half joking asked him if he'd take me for a fang in it. One day he turned up out of the blue told me to hop in and we went for a drive in it, I was thinking " I don't remember this corner ever being this sharp" looked over at the speedo and we were doing 100 , the countryside was rushing by pretty fast so I had another look and it was in mph not kph . That thing was incredibly smooth, it had two turbos and there was no sign of when they kicked in it just got faster and faster.
    I've never had a nice car, mine get wrecked towing stuff ,carrying tools and other gear and kayaks dripping salt water on the roof.



  • Not so much in NZ I reckon MR.
     
    Certainly there will be some like that but for the most, I find those with money don't show it off as much in NZ.
     
    In saying that, if I won Lotto tonight, I would go out and purchase a Bently, not becasue I want to show off, but becasue they are beautiful cars to drive and I could afford the comfort

    Probably.  Asia is terrible for it.
     
    The amount of kids driving ferrari's and lamborghini's here is ridiculous.


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