Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc
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Ok, so will EP now be a decent cricket ground with the retractable seating in the upgrade?
From the illustrations it actually looks like it could be a very good cricket ground.
I hope they also do something with the west stand, like make it connect to the north and south stands so it's just one continuous stand. It doesn't need to go as high as the north and south. It always looks odd especially with the gaps either side of it.
But I can still remember the old old west stand and the members stand, and while that corner has improved it's still looks out of place.
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I actually think my explanation of the 55m boundary is wrong.
To the eye, I think the straight boundaries are only about 50m.
I think 55m (that is being used) is half of the straight diameter. Which from a cricketing pov is the centre of the pitch and a totally useless starting point.
The ICC minimum is 55m, and Eden Park doesn't conform, but has an exemption.
I can't think of any ground in the world that even gets close to the 55m minimum, though. Seddon Park is probably next smallest in the world at about 58/59m straight.
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The retractable seating in the southern stand adds 10m to the boundary length.
So, if they repeated that standard in a new northern stand. You'd add 5m to each straight boundary and reach the ICC minimum of 55m each way. Which would still be shit IMO. (Or 60m each way from centre of the pitch.)
However. At 60m each way from the centre. You now have an option to reorient the pitch along the length of the rugby orientation. Without it being too ridiculous. Basically that is McLean Park sized square boundaries.
The diameter of the current square boundaries at Eden Park are 128m. So, they would already be acceptable as straight boundaries . There is also an extra 5m that can be added now that lower tier of western stand has been demolished and is presumably going to be temporary/retractable going forward.
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@nzzp said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
@Rapido the expensive seats and corporate are north and south, and the sun goes east west.
So I can't see a realignment happening
I also think it unlikely.
They are quite (demonstrably) comfortable with shit dimensions.
The East-West orientation and sunsets is a real thing for cricket grounds, I agree. But isually not when the ground is a full stadium with building heights no longer making it an issue. Although it would require modeling.
McLean Park (which has a SW orientation) has that issue, where a gap in the stands at exactly due west, causes problems at sunset at certain parts of the summer.
Eden Park orientation is very slightly WNW.
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@nzzp said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
@Rapido the expensive seats and corporate are north and south
For this part.
Taking Eden Park 2.0 irenders n good faith .... I'm expecting covered seating at least at one end, if not both.
I don't expect corporate at either end though, they would remain square.
That would be Adelaide Oval equivalent.
Rare, but not unknown or unsuccessful.
I would expect a corporate lounge oriented side-on that, but at a ground that actually hosts test matches again, so increases cricket days at the stadium by about 200 to 300%, to be of more value than the status quo of about 4 days use per summer.
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I remember when the West stand was the best stand in the ground.
This is from the document that went to Council and illustrates why Eden Park 2.0 was the only choice, albeit the reality any redevelopment has been kicked down the road.
The Waterfront Stadium was, (as always thought) pretty renders and not much else
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@mikedogz said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
I presume the lack of seating behind one of the goals is so they can have a concert stage go there.
Would be better if there was a stand behind that goal and the field moved back. Then a smaller concourse linking to the existing terraces
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@Duluth said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
@mikedogz said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
I presume they lack of seating behind one of the goals is so they can have a concert stage go there.
Would be better if there was a stand behind that goal and the field moved back. Then a smaller concourse linking to the existing terraces
I do like the KOP like stand behind the goal…but am I missing something, with that huge concourse people sitting in the first few rows won’t see any/most of the pitch….
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@Kiwiwomble said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
@Duluth said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
@mikedogz said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
I presume they lack of seating behind one of the goals is so they can have a concert stage go there.
Would be better if there was a stand behind that goal and the field moved back. Then a smaller concourse linking to the existing terraces
I do like the KOP like stand behind the goal…but am I missing something, with that huge concourse people sitting in the first few rows won’t see any/most of the pitch….
And the top rows will be miles away from the field
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@Duluth said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
I see Eden Park released a video about the 3 stages. After a minute of fluff there is some details on distances in the different configurations
Looks good. Soooooooooooooo, where's the money coming from?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
@Duluth said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
@mikedogz said in Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc:
I presume they lack of seating behind one of the goals is so they can have a concert stage go there.
Would be better if there was a stand behind that goal and the field moved back. Then a smaller concourse linking to the existing terraces
I do like the KOP like stand behind the goal…but am I missing something, with that huge concourse people sitting in the first few rows won’t see any/most of the pitch….
That would just be for concerts. (The hill).
If there was going to be enough people attending football matches here that the hill was needed, then why build it at all. There is already Mt Smart and Eden Park.
Google some images of 1980s David Bowie concert at Westrn Springs, and can understand why an architect wouldn't want to seal that off permanently from the rest of the arena. But I would have doubts it would actually get used, much, if ever.
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