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    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @ACT-Crusader said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    And you can see why he’s leaving the Saders (best) to last. Far too difficult to just pick 15. Crusaders 3rd XV would beat these other squads.. .

    Mate you’re dreaming, those Blues and Canes backlines would tear the Crusaders a new one.

    Thats why those two teams have more trophy's than us.

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    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

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    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

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    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Canes/Blues first five in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest probably fall short man for man.

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    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

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    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

    You have Merhtens as well to consider.

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    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

    Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.

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    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

    Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.

    Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.

    Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.

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    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

    Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.

    Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.

    Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.

    Just shows how important 10 is to the success of a team.
    Crusaders would still beat the Blues backline. Tuitupou and Rieko aren't exactly renowned distributors, and with Mehrts/Carter/Mounga kicking game, the two lethal wingers aren't getting much to counter-attack from.
    Canes backs would stuff them though, even with the somewhat limited BB at 10 you've got Nonu and Smith feeding those outsides.

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    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

    Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.

    Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.

    Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.

    Back three would be a choice of MacDonald, Dagg and Jordan at FB. I'd imagine Ralph and Reece on the wings ( or maybe they shoehorn one of the FBs, whichever way they go they fall short compared to the Blues/Canes ). Midfield is Aaron Mauger and probably Goodhue ?

    Actually aside from the wings they compare ok.......

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    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

    Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.

    Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.

    Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.

    Back three would be a choice of MacDonald, Dagg and Jordan at FB. I'd imagine Ralph and Reece on the wings ( or maybe they shoehorn one of the FBs, whichever way they go they fall short compared to the Blues/Canes ). Midfield is Aaron Mauger and probably Goodhue ?

    Actually aside from the wings they compare ok.......

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    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

    Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.

    Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.

    Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.

    Back three would be a choice of MacDonald, Dagg and Jordan at FB. I'd imagine Ralph and Reece on the wings ( or maybe they shoehorn one of the FBs, whichever way they go they fall short compared to the Blues/Canes ). Midfield is Aaron Mauger and probably Goodhue ?

    Actually aside from the wings they compare ok.......

    Marika Vunibaka,Rico Gear,Nemani Nadolo, and Sony Bill Williams in the MF would all be in contention.

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    @Chris said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

    Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.

    Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.

    Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.

    Back three would be a choice of MacDonald, Dagg and Jordan at FB. I'd imagine Ralph and Reece on the wings ( or maybe they shoehorn one of the FBs, whichever way they go they fall short compared to the Blues/Canes ). Midfield is Aaron Mauger and probably Goodhue ?

    Actually aside from the wings they compare ok.......

    Marika Vunibaka,Rico Gear,Nemani Nadolo, and Sony Bill Williams in the MF would all be in contention.

    Yeah I naturally went to Ralph and Reece due to tries scored and number of appearances.

    Nadolo and Vunibaka made huge impacts and Gear is someone I forgot.

    SBW and Robbie Fruean formed probably the most imposing midfield combo in Super Rugby history but neither played enough to get a serious mention I wouldn't have thought.

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    @reprobate said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

    Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.

    Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.

    Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.

    Just shows how important 10 is to the success of a team.
    Crusaders would still beat the Blues backline. Tuitupou and Rieko aren't exactly renowned distributors, and with Mehrts/Carter/Mounga kicking game, the two lethal wingers aren't getting much to counter-attack from.
    Canes backs would stuff them though, even with the somewhat limited BB at 10 you've got Nonu and Smith feeding those outsides.

    Yeah, but then the Blues pack can probably match-up to the Saders pack, I think that Canes tight five would struggle which has always been a weakness. If the Canes get plenty of ball then they will be tough to spot.

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    And you can see why he’s leaving the Saders (best) to last. Far too difficult to just pick 15. Crusaders 3rd XV would beat these other squads.. .

    None of your teams had a Rupeni.

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    @nostrildamus said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @ACT-Crusader said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    And you can see why he’s leaving the Saders (best) to last. Far too difficult to just pick 15. Crusaders 3rd XV would beat these other squads.. .

    None of your teams had a Rupeni.

    Carlos did a podcast with the KOKO boys earlier in the week and was asked that if he had to start one, bench one and drop one out of Rupeni, Lomu and Joe Rocks, he said he would start Rupeni, use Lomu as impact and he would drop Joe.

    Rupeni was just a freak, for someone to be selected a head of prime Lomu, you had to be bloody good. He was on another level.

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    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @nostrildamus said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @ACT-Crusader said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    And you can see why he’s leaving the Saders (best) to last. Far too difficult to just pick 15. Crusaders 3rd XV would beat these other squads.. .

    None of your teams had a Rupeni.

    Carlos did a podcast with the KOKO boys earlier in the week and was asked that if he had to start one, bench one and drop one out of Rupeni, Lomu and Joe Rocks, he said he would start Rupeni, use Lomu as impact and he would drop Joe.

    Rupeni was just a freak, for someone to be selected a head of prime Lomu, you had to be bloody good. He was on another level.

    Even more so when you take into account he didn't even look in shape a lot of the time.

    A dream back three would have been him lining up alongside Jonah and Cully. Sigh. If only.

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    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @nostrildamus said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @ACT-Crusader said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    And you can see why he’s leaving the Saders (best) to last. Far too difficult to just pick 15. Crusaders 3rd XV would beat these other squads.. .

    None of your teams had a Rupeni.

    Carlos did a podcast with the KOKO boys earlier in the week and was asked that if he had to start one, bench one and drop one out of Rupeni, Lomu and Joe Rocks, he said he would start Rupeni, use Lomu as impact and he would drop Joe.

    Rupeni was just a freak, for someone to be selected a head of prime Lomu, you had to be bloody good. He was on another level.

    Even more so when you take into account he didn't even look in shape a lot of the time.

    A dream back three would have been him lining up alongside Jonah and Cully. Sigh. If only.

    That would be my dream back three as well. Good luck stopping them.

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    @Chris said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

    Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.

    Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.

    Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.

    Back three would be a choice of MacDonald, Dagg and Jordan at FB. I'd imagine Ralph and Reece on the wings ( or maybe they shoehorn one of the FBs, whichever way they go they fall short compared to the Blues/Canes ). Midfield is Aaron Mauger and probably Goodhue ?

    Actually aside from the wings they compare ok.......

    Marika Vunibaka,Rico Gear,Nemani Nadolo, and Sony Bill Williams in the MF would all be in contention.

    The Crusaders version of SBW wasn't peak SBW, it wasn't until he came to the Chiefs that happened. In all honesty, despite his turnstile defence Mauger is probably the standout 12 for the Crusaders, although if you want to get both DC and the franchise rugby specialist in the same team then DC might be a selection at 12. Bateman was also a good 12 for the Crusaders.

    Nadaloo would go close to an all time team, he almost singlehandley kept the Crusaders in touch for much of the Blackadder era. But hard to go past the try scoring of Reece at franchise level.

    I don't think Jordan should be in the frame at fullback, Rangi and Israel have far better CVs than him as a 15.

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    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

    @Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:

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    Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?

    Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.

    Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.

    If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.

    The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )

    The rest fall well short man for man.

    Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.

    Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.

    Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.

    Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.

    Disagree. You can easily pick all three. Merhts at 10, Carter where he started at 12, and Mo'unga at 15, where he hides most of the time anyway.

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