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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    Bovidae
    wrote last edited by Bovidae
    #37

    There have been some Super 8 games played last Sat and today.

    New Plymouth BHS 15 - 24 Hastings BHS
    Gisborne BHS 8 - 51 Palmerston North BHS

    Rotorua BHS 14 - 29 Tauranga BC

    Traditional Exchange (Wed)
    Auckland Grammar 19 - 32 Hamilton BHS

    An interesting try in today's live game between Nelson College and Marlborough BC. I'll post the highlights video if Sky uploads, but MBC had a penalty in front of the goal posts so all of the NC players were in a huddle behind the posts. The MBC kicker then kicks the ball deliberately to the left corner where a teammate manages to score before the ball goes out. I can only assume they told the ref it wasn't going to be a shot at goal even though the ARs were behind the posts. After discussion between the officials the try stood. MBC held on to win 28-26 in Nelson.

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360706500/watch-controversial-first-xv-trick-play-has-divided-opinions

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    #39

    That's a grub play.

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    @gt12 said in School Rugby 2025:

    That's a grub play.

    Yeah the ref should not of allowed the try.

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  • gt12G Offline
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    @Chris said in School Rugby 2025:

    @gt12 said in School Rugby 2025:

    That's a grub play.

    Yeah the ref should not of allowed the try.

    What a fucking muppet, his assistant is quoting the right law at him.

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    wrote last edited by Bovidae
    #42

    For those who haven't seen/read the Stuff article, Sky Sport has this on youtube.

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    @Bovidae It has to be a genuine attempt at goal right?

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    @Duluth said in School Rugby 2025:

    @Bovidae It has to be a genuine attempt at goal right?

    I thought so, but apparently not. Read the first comments as the relevant law is listed. I've seen this done before and the ref wouldn't allow it.

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    8.18A penalty goal can be scored only from a penalty.

    8.19The kicking team must indicate their intention to kick for goal without delay.

    8.20If the team indicates to the referee the intention to kick at goal, they must kick at goal. The intention to kick can be communicated to the referee or signalled by the arrival of the kicking tee or sand, or when the player makes a mark on the ground.

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    @Trig said in School Rugby 2025:

    8.20If the team indicates to the referee the intention to kick at goal, they must kick at goal. The intention to kick can be communicated to the referee or signalled by the arrival of the kicking tee or sand, or when the player makes a mark on the ground.

    I read this law differently to how many have been interpreting it. Firstly, I feel this is worded to stop a situation where a team may say they are kicking for the posts but will instead tap the ball and play because they have seen space. This wording allows the law to sanction teams that will do this and instead once they have indicated they will kick for posts, the have to commit to that decision and the shot clock will begin. This law doesn't actually state that the kick at goal has to be a genuine attempt which allows the play above to be completed. I believe the player was in the right according to these laws but if they had seen the same space and had picked the ball up to kick it to there then this law would come into effect.

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  • NepiaN Offline
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    If you're going to do that play at least pretend to slip while kicking it.

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  • antipodeanA Offline
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    @Trig the difficulty with that interpretation are the words "they must kick at goal". Hence why refs mention genuine attempt.

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  • M Online
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    It's always been refereed (at the highest level) that you need to take a genuine shot at goal. That's the precedent and the ref in this case made a mistake.

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  • gt12G Offline
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    @Bovidae said in School Rugby 2025:

    @Duluth said in School Rugby 2025:

    @Bovidae It has to be a genuine attempt at goal right?

    I thought so, but apparently not. Read the first comments as the relevant law is listed. I've seen this done before and the ref wouldn't allow it.

    The law is clear on this, it's under law 8.

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  • gt12G Offline
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    #51

    There are two things happening here:

    • Grubby rugby that shouldn't be part of the game
    • Incompetent referreeing
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  • boobooB Offline
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    @gt12 said in School Rugby 2025:

    There are two things happening here:

    • Grubby rugby that shouldn't be part of the game
    • Incompetent referreeing

    I'm going to let them off the "grubby rugby" because kids who didn't know the rules.

    But ref should have disallowed it.

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  • P Online
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    ref will be explained to rules at next meeting and will have to apologise to school

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  • Dan54D Offline
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    I was watching game, and admit was surprised the kick was allowed. Still maybe ref didn't know for sure , and at that level he only an amateur ref so wouldn't get into him big time. I guess if a player manages to bounce ball of crossbar or upright , it would be allowed, so kind of ambiguity in law?
    I thought it was a no no, but admit I couldn't say for certain.
    I also while not liking this kind of stuff tried be 1st XV team, once again, I would hope the coach would tell him it's outside of spirit of game at least, and say "not the kind of thing I want my team trying".
    Actually developed into not a bad game as the players

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  • boobooB Offline
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    @Dan54 said in School Rugby 2025:

    ambiguity in law?

    No ambiguity in "they must kick at goal".

    There's room for ambiguity around intent, much like a deliberate knock forward but pretty obvious in this case he had no intent.

    Ref got it wrong. Don't blame him, there's a lot of laws to know.

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    they changed the interpretation 25 years ago (or maybe even more) to get rid of this exact play. Terrible reffing, especially with the touchie telling him he can't award it.

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