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    Frank
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    When's the team named?

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    @Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:

    @KiwiMurph being at the game last night and watching from a very elevated position Sotutu Always attracts a lot of defenders
    Has a great ability to throw a a late pass before contact or just take contact and get gainline

    I watched both the 2 number 8s closely last night Gleeson got through a ton of work with many carries without getting gainline
    Looked busy but far less impactful
    Hoskins showed some great touches last night
    Stats imo dont always tell a full story but i would be curious to compare both as reference point

    Sotutu has had a great 2nd half of the season after a stop start 1st half of it (mainly due to suspension).

    Obviously he's not in the frame, but despite the critics from Chch death riding him at every opportunity, he's shown his class for us in what's been a mediocre season for us.

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    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:

    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:

    @chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2025:

    Jacobsen are certainties.

    I'm sure he will be picked but there's no way Jacobson should be a certainty

    I really can see him being the starting 6 and stated the reasons earlier in this thread.

    What reasons? He's probably the 4th best 6 at the Chiefs behind Finau, Sititi and Parker

    Razor and co like a guy that will tackle heaps, clean a lot, and carry close to the ruck, like the previous crew which included Ryan and how they always had North Island fern favourite Shannon Frizzell.

    Luke Jacobsen fills that role best I feel (not saying I agree with it, but it's they way I think they'll go).

    Thanks.

    My disagreement would come from Razor and Ryan (Ryan having time as ABs forwards coach before Razor) trying a lot of different players at 6 other than Jacobson

    Frizell
    Akira
    Finau
    Blackadder
    Sititi

    I'd be surprised if suddenly Jacobson is seen as the guy at 6.

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    brodean
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    If Blackadder is fit I believe the coaches will prefer a trio of:

    1. Blackadder
    2. Savea
    3. Sititi
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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

    If Blackadder is fit I believe the coaches will prefer a trio of:

    1. Blackadder
    2. Savea
    3. Sititi

    EB even if picked will last about 5 minutes and be gone for the season. Then we can pick someone who will play hard and be durable

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    @canefan said in All Blacks 2025:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

    If Blackadder is fit I believe the coaches will prefer a trio of:

    1. Blackadder
    2. Savea
    3. Sititi

    EB even if picked will last about 5 minutes and be gone for the season. Then we can pick someone who will play hard and be durable

    Well thats kind of obvious to everyone but Razor and Ryan.

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    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:

    @KiwiMurph being at the game last night and watching from a very elevated position Sotutu Always attracts a lot of defenders
    Has a great ability to throw a a late pass before contact or just take contact and get gainline

    I watched both the 2 number 8s closely last night Gleeson got through a ton of work with many carries without getting gainline
    Looked busy but far less impactful
    Hoskins showed some great touches last night
    Stats imo dont always tell a full story but i would be curious to compare both as reference point

    Sotutu has had a great 2nd half of the season after a stop start 1st half of it (mainly due to suspension).

    Obviously he's not in the frame, but despite the critics from Chch death riding him at every opportunity, he's shown his class for us in what's been a mediocre season for us.

    So much of the Blues attack went through him last year. He was so good at distributing, carrying and had good footwork. Not valued by these selectors, but if you want to have some threats in close then he's your man.

    Suspect he'll pick up an English contract shortly - if his heart is in it

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    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:

    @KiwiMurph being at the game last night and watching from a very elevated position Sotutu Always attracts a lot of defenders
    Has a great ability to throw a a late pass before contact or just take contact and get gainline

    I watched both the 2 number 8s closely last night Gleeson got through a ton of work with many carries without getting gainline
    Looked busy but far less impactful
    Hoskins showed some great touches last night
    Stats imo dont always tell a full story but i would be curious to compare both as reference point

    Sotutu has had a great 2nd half of the season after a stop start 1st half of it (mainly due to suspension).

    Obviously he's not in the frame, but despite the critics from Chch death riding him at every opportunity, he's shown his class for us in what's been a mediocre season for us.

    So much of the Blues attack went through him last year. He was so good at distributing, carrying and had good footwork. Not valued by these selectors, but if you want to have some threats in close then he's your man.

    Suspect he'll pick up an English contract shortly - if his heart is in it

    You don’t think Ardie provides those skills? Plus he’s the most likely to play 80

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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:

    You don’t think Ardie provides those skills? Plus he’s the most likely to play 80

    I don't see the last game but R10-14 Hoskins apparently played the full 80:

    Hoskins SOTUTU profile and stats

    Hoskins SOTUTU profile and stats

    Hoskins SOTUTU : bio, stats, play time, birthdate, height, weight...

    and Ardie played most of this season at 7:

    Ardie SAVEA profile and stats

    Ardie SAVEA profile and stats

    Ardie SAVEA : bio, stats, play time, birthdate, height, weight...

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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:

    @KiwiMurph being at the game last night and watching from a very elevated position Sotutu Always attracts a lot of defenders
    Has a great ability to throw a a late pass before contact or just take contact and get gainline

    I watched both the 2 number 8s closely last night Gleeson got through a ton of work with many carries without getting gainline
    Looked busy but far less impactful
    Hoskins showed some great touches last night
    Stats imo dont always tell a full story but i would be curious to compare both as reference point

    Sotutu has had a great 2nd half of the season after a stop start 1st half of it (mainly due to suspension).

    Obviously he's not in the frame, but despite the critics from Chch death riding him at every opportunity, he's shown his class for us in what's been a mediocre season for us.

    So much of the Blues attack went through him last year. He was so good at distributing, carrying and had good footwork. Not valued by these selectors, but if you want to have some threats in close then he's your man.

    Suspect he'll pick up an English contract shortly - if his heart is in it

    You don’t think Ardie provides those skills? Plus he’s the most likely to play 80

    Ardies distribution isn't really the same. He has a good short passing game granted.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:

    @KiwiMurph being at the game last night and watching from a very elevated position Sotutu Always attracts a lot of defenders
    Has a great ability to throw a a late pass before contact or just take contact and get gainline

    I watched both the 2 number 8s closely last night Gleeson got through a ton of work with many carries without getting gainline
    Looked busy but far less impactful
    Hoskins showed some great touches last night
    Stats imo dont always tell a full story but i would be curious to compare both as reference point

    Sotutu has had a great 2nd half of the season after a stop start 1st half of it (mainly due to suspension).

    Obviously he's not in the frame, but despite the critics from Chch death riding him at every opportunity, he's shown his class for us in what's been a mediocre season for us.

    So much of the Blues attack went through him last year. He was so good at distributing, carrying and had good footwork. Not valued by these selectors, but if you want to have some threats in close then he's your man.

    Suspect he'll pick up an English contract shortly - if his heart is in it

    You don’t think Ardie provides those skills? Plus he’s the most likely to play 80

    Hos has a better passing game and carries harder thanks to his bigger frame.

    Ardie's form playing at openside for MP suggests he's best at being a jackler and providing a running threat. So combined with Hos all we are after is a bruising defender and lineout option.

    That means our bench needs to cater to those skills.

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    cgrant
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    Bolters XV

    Norris
    Moananu
    Dyer
    Holland
    Beehre
    Howden
    Ķirifi
    Parker
    Roe
    Reihana
    Carter
    Tavatavanawai
    Tele'a
    Tangitau
    Kneepkens

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    @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

    When's the team named?

    Monday after the Suoer Rugby final

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    While we are all assuming Wallace will play 8 , I thought he was easily our best 6 last year as well.

    Maybe it’s not as clear cut as we think .

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    Mr Fish
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    @cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:

    Bolters XV

    Norris
    Moananu
    Dyer
    Holland
    Beehre
    Howden
    Ķirifi
    Parker
    Roe
    Reihana
    Carter
    Tavatavanawai
    Tele'a
    Tangitau
    Kneepkens

    More of an uncapped XV but still a good list.

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    reprobate
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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:

    @KiwiMurph being at the game last night and watching from a very elevated position Sotutu Always attracts a lot of defenders
    Has a great ability to throw a a late pass before contact or just take contact and get gainline

    I watched both the 2 number 8s closely last night Gleeson got through a ton of work with many carries without getting gainline
    Looked busy but far less impactful
    Hoskins showed some great touches last night
    Stats imo dont always tell a full story but i would be curious to compare both as reference point

    Sotutu has had a great 2nd half of the season after a stop start 1st half of it (mainly due to suspension).

    Obviously he's not in the frame, but despite the critics from Chch death riding him at every opportunity, he's shown his class for us in what's been a mediocre season for us.

    So much of the Blues attack went through him last year. He was so good at distributing, carrying and had good footwork. Not valued by these selectors, but if you want to have some threats in close then he's your man.

    Suspect he'll pick up an English contract shortly - if his heart is in it

    You don’t think Ardie provides those skills? Plus he’s the most likely to play 80

    Ardies distribution isn't really the same. He has a good short passing game granted.

    What they both have, and what is still somewhat unusual for loosies, is genuine vision for space. It's often hoskins who you'll see throw wide passes or flick turnover ball out quick to where it needs to be. Just another thing which doesnt readily show up in stats.
    Our point of difference used to be forwards with fitness who could run and pass, but everyone does that now (or for fitness doesnt need to because of the bench these days).
    Teams where everyone understands space, and makes good fast decisions about where the ball needs to be might be our way forward.

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    Ardie has the better dummy

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    @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:

    @KiwiMurph being at the game last night and watching from a very elevated position Sotutu Always attracts a lot of defenders
    Has a great ability to throw a a late pass before contact or just take contact and get gainline

    I watched both the 2 number 8s closely last night Gleeson got through a ton of work with many carries without getting gainline
    Looked busy but far less impactful
    Hoskins showed some great touches last night
    Stats imo dont always tell a full story but i would be curious to compare both as reference point

    Sotutu has had a great 2nd half of the season after a stop start 1st half of it (mainly due to suspension).

    Obviously he's not in the frame, but despite the critics from Chch death riding him at every opportunity, he's shown his class for us in what's been a mediocre season for us.

    So much of the Blues attack went through him last year. He was so good at distributing, carrying and had good footwork. Not valued by these selectors, but if you want to have some threats in close then he's your man.

    Suspect he'll pick up an English contract shortly - if his heart is in it

    You don’t think Ardie provides those skills? Plus he’s the most likely to play 80

    Ardies distribution isn't really the same. He has a good short passing game granted.

    What they both have, and what is still somewhat unusual for loosies, is genuine vision for space. It's often hoskins who you'll see throw wide passes or flick turnover ball out quick to where it needs to be. Just another thing which doesnt readily show up in stats.
    Our point of difference used to be forwards with fitness who could run and pass, but everyone does that now (or for fitness doesnt need to because of the bench these days).
    Teams where everyone understands space, and makes good fast decisions about where the ball needs to be might be our way forward.

    Maybe. But when it comes to winning RWC it usually ends up being a slug fest. For example Jesse Kriel made zero passes in the last RWC final.

    2015 and 87 were anomalies.

    We had those periods where we would dominate in between RWC with players who understand space but when it came to the street fight in the RWC we fell short.

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    @brodean Just watched him throw a perfect 30 metre spiral pass to put Lalomilo Lalomilo into space, he pops up often as a link man for Moana.

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    @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

    @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

    @brodean said in All Blacks 2025:

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:

    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:

    @KiwiMurph being at the game last night and watching from a very elevated position Sotutu Always attracts a lot of defenders
    Has a great ability to throw a a late pass before contact or just take contact and get gainline

    I watched both the 2 number 8s closely last night Gleeson got through a ton of work with many carries without getting gainline
    Looked busy but far less impactful
    Hoskins showed some great touches last night
    Stats imo dont always tell a full story but i would be curious to compare both as reference point

    Sotutu has had a great 2nd half of the season after a stop start 1st half of it (mainly due to suspension).

    Obviously he's not in the frame, but despite the critics from Chch death riding him at every opportunity, he's shown his class for us in what's been a mediocre season for us.

    So much of the Blues attack went through him last year. He was so good at distributing, carrying and had good footwork. Not valued by these selectors, but if you want to have some threats in close then he's your man.

    Suspect he'll pick up an English contract shortly - if his heart is in it

    You don’t think Ardie provides those skills? Plus he’s the most likely to play 80

    Ardies distribution isn't really the same. He has a good short passing game granted.

    What they both have, and what is still somewhat unusual for loosies, is genuine vision for space. It's often hoskins who you'll see throw wide passes or flick turnover ball out quick to where it needs to be. Just another thing which doesnt readily show up in stats.
    Our point of difference used to be forwards with fitness who could run and pass, but everyone does that now (or for fitness doesnt need to because of the bench these days).
    Teams where everyone understands space, and makes good fast decisions about where the ball needs to be might be our way forward.

    Maybe. But when it comes to winning RWC it usually ends up being a slug fest. For example Jesse Kriel made zero passes in the last RWC final.

    2015 and 87 were anomalies.

    We had those periods where we would dominate in between RWC with players who understand space but when it came to the street fight in the RWC we fell short.

    I see your point, and you can't expect to play a 90s style Crusaders team at international level with success. yet in our last rwc final, savea was pretty good, and frizzell the big strong guy was crap. Recognising space doesn't mean playing wide and loose, you can manipulate space close to rucks too, and hoskins is good at that; so too sititi and savea. Not so much DP, EB, LJ.

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