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    Well 76% is not above 80%

    Also if we sorted these out for 12's and 13's he'd still be at the bottom for 13's.

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    are we talking about a certain player? i missed that.

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    @mariner4life said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

    are we talking about a certain player? i missed that.

    Someone said Leicester Fainga'anuku should be fast tracked into the squad by replacing ALB and I suggested he's more likely to be in as a wing due to his defensive issues.

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    On ALB, I love him, but he either starts for me or doesn’t make the 23 - he’s been a penalty magnet off the bench, you cant make the tackles you miss because you are on the sideline with another YC.

    Given that he either starts or doesn’t make the 23, I’m not sure he can hold his place - he shouldn’t be rated as top 2 at either 2nd five or center.

    I’m not sure he makes the squad even if completely healthy.

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    Hopefully Leicester is soaking up as much as he can whilst he's playing next to Nonu.

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    @gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

    On ALB, I love him, but he either starts for me or doesn’t make the 23 - he’s been a penalty magnet off the bench, you cant make the tackles you miss because you are on the sideline with another YC.

    Given that he either starts or doesn’t make the 23, I’m not sure he can hold his place - he shouldn’t be rated as top 2 at either 2nd five or center.

    I’m not sure he makes the squad even if completely healthy.

    Guy played 14 out of 14 tests last year so it would seem unlikely that they would drop him from the squad.

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    Provides the best 12/13 cover from the bench and has been a great servant. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him there but he hasn’t exactly added heaps off the bench.

    On a broader level, if that’s where we are staying with our selections, we’ll be lucky to get much impact from the bench.

    I love him very much, I’ll be happy for him if he’s there but some very good players will miss out.

    Jordie
    Tupaea

    Proctor
    Ioane

    Would be the first four names. Lam is about as well, and big Jim.

    We should have a full schedule for the AB XV

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    Another factor to consider is it's likely as you tire you'll miss a higher percentage as you tire, especially if you're attempting more and playing big minutes.

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    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

    Main difference with Fainga'anuku is his defensive accuracy. When he was at the Crusaders it was between 55% - 75%. He's bumped that up to 75.6% at Toulon this year. It's an improvement.

    But if you look at the other midfield contenders he'd be near the bottom in Super Rugby:

    Midfield Players by Tackle Success
    93.3% Anton Lienert-Brown
    91.3% Billy Proctor
    91.3% Braydon Ennor
    89.1% AJ Lam
    88.7% Xavi Taele
    88.4% Quinn Tupaea
    86.1% Riley Higgins
    85.9% Peter Umaga-Jensen
    84.7% Levi Aumua
    83.1% David Havili
    83.0% Bailyn Sullivan
    80.6% Rieko Ioane
    80.0% Daniel Rona
    80.0% Gideon Wrampling
    79.7% Tanielu Tele'a
    78.8% Lalomilo Lalomilo

    It's only fair he come back and compete in SR. No one should get a free pass

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    @gt12 said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

    @brodean

    Provides the best 12/13 cover from the bench and has been a great servant. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him there but he hasn’t exactly added heaps off the bench.

    On a broader level, if that’s where we are staying with our selections, we’ll be lucky to get much impact from the bench.

    I love him very much, I’ll be happy for him if he’s there but some very good players will miss out.

    Jordie
    Tupaea

    Proctor
    Ioane

    Would be the first four names. Lam is about as well, and big Jim.

    We should have a full schedule for the AB XV

    ALBs YC numbers are right up there....

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    ALB didn't play a full season this year but he did last year. He had zero yellow cards in SRP and gave away 3 penalties for the whole season over 14 games.

    BTW I wouldn't select ALB or David Havili but for different reasons.

    I'd go with:

    Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
    Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs)
    Rieko Ioane (Blues)
    Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
    AJ Lam (Blues)

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    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks Squad v France:

    @canefan

    ALB didn't play a full season this year but he did last year. He had zero yellow cards in SRP and gave away 3 penalties for the whole season over 14 games.

    BTW I wouldn't select ALB or David Havili but for different reasons.

    I'd go with:

    Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
    Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs)
    Rieko Ioane (Blues)
    Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
    AJ Lam (Blues)

    He racked up a couple in tests IIRC

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    Some midfield attack stats:

    Gainline %
    79.5% AJ Lam
    76.7% Xavi Taele
    75.7% Riley Higgins
    67.9% Sam Gilbert
    67.7% Gideon Wrampling
    65.5% Corey Evans
    64.9% Rieko Ioane
    63.7% Quinn Tupaea
    62.0% Lalomilo Lalomilo
    61.5% David Havili
    60.9% Leicester Fainga'anuku
    60.8% Tanielu Tele'a
    60.5% Daniel Rona
    60.3% Billy Proctor
    60.2% Peter Umaga-Jensen
    59.6% Levi Aumua
    58.0% Bailyn Sullivan
    54.0% Jordie Barrett
    54.0% Anton Lienert-Brown
    53.6% Braydon Ennor

    Dominant Carry %
    62.3% AJ Lam
    56.8% Sam Gilbert
    54.4% Bailyn Sullivan
    52.5% Leicester Fainga'anuku
    52.2% Tanielu Tele'a
    51.2% Peter Umaga-Jensen
    48.0% Gideon Wrampling
    41.2% Quinn Tupaea
    39.7% Lalomilo Lalomilo
    37.8% Rieko Ioane
    37.0% Corey Evans
    35.5% Tamati Tua
    35.3% Billy Proctor
    34.5% Timoci Tavatavanawai
    34.3% Riley Higgins
    34.1% Jordie Barrett
    32.0% Braydon Ennor
    31.8% Levi Aumua
    31.0% Xavi Taele
    29.7% Daniel Rona

    Carries Committing 2+ Tacklers
    74.0% AJ Lam
    70.8% Timoci Tavatavanawai
    70.2% Levi Aumua
    67.5% Quinn Tupaea
    66.3% Leicester Fainga'anuku
    64.0% Anton Lienert-Brown
    62.4% Peter Umaga-Jensen
    59.1% Bailyn Sullivan
    58.6% Billy Proctor
    58.1% Tanielu Tele'a
    58.1% Gideon Wrampling
    53.5% Lalomilo Lalomilo
    53.5% Xavi Taele
    50.5% Rieko Ioane
    50.0% Jordie Barrett
    50.0% Braydon Ennor
    48.6% Riley Higgins
    48.5% Tamati Tua
    42.3% David Havili
    38.3% Daniel Rona

    Tackle Evasion %
    44.8% Billy Proctor
    35.3% AJ Lam
    34.8% Timoci Tavatavanawai
    31.0% David Havili
    30.6% Leicester Fainga'anuku
    28.4% Tanielu Tele'a
    27.7% Sam Gilbert
    27.0% Levi Aumua
    26.7% Peter Umaga-Jensen
    26.4% Corey Evans
    26.3% Jordie Barrett
    25.9% Anton Lienert-Brown
    25.6% Bailyn Sullivan
    25.0% Braydon Ennor
    23.6% Lalomilo Lalomilo
    22.9% Tamati Tua
    21.7% Gideon Wrampling
    21.3% Daniel Rona
    18.8% Riley Higgins
    18.7% Quinn Tupaea
    15.9% Xavi Taele
    12.6% Rieko Ioane

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    @brodean Those stats are pretty interesting in the context that I'll be pretty surprised if our midfield for the first test vs France is anything other than the tried and trusted combo of Jordie and Rieko.

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    Yeah I'd be stunned if it wasn't Jordie and RIeko.

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    As someone mentioned earlier, if our game plan really is supposed to be a wide game spreading thr ball to the edges, then ALB should be thr first midfielder picked.

    But it's not. And he won't.

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    @brodean are those blended over multiple seasons or different comps?

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    @taniwharugby the stats are for this Super Rugby season only https://theanalyst.com/club-rugby-stats

    I haven't updated them from a couple of weeks ago so there might be a few changes.

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    @brodean Thanks - are Jordie's stats from URC?

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    @KiwiMurph Yes URC, Fainga'anuku Top 14

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