All Blacks v France I
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Firstly, pretty fun game of football. Both teams came yo play open footy when ever possible, and we got a lot of ball movement because of it.
Good mature win in the end. Take the points, recognise your dominance, grind it out.
Cheers to the French, a lot of those kids can fucking play.
For us, my main takeaway is, guess what, fotm means something. The guys who did good did good in super too. Those who battled? Guess what.
Same main weaknesses. Can't kick, can't hurt their ruck. Lose the air.
Some of our shape was gorgeous
I loved when we played direct
Set piece good.So many positives for week one.
What is this positive sorcery?
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France I:
Plaudits to French XV.
Some uncommented on elements.
EDG very good at basics.
Vaa’i/Holland/Finau markedly more dynamic than the staring combo with Scooter.
Starting loosies didn’t gel. RD doesn’t give you much cleaning and only occasional jackalling, so the trio requires someone who does. Finishing 3 better but I’d say Paps/Finau/RD would have been much more balanced.
Back three much more dangerous with DMac at 15 and WillJ at 14.
The French close in defence had so much more ‘stopping power’ than ours. AND seemed to be well below head height.We saw the starting back 3 for all of 90 seconds together. I know we are into snap judgments and all that…..
Ardie is an interesting one because for Moana this season he did attack the breakdown like he did years ago. He was a real nuisance once it hit the deck. On attack the trio looked good I thought. We got a lot of quick ball which in my view meant players were doing well at ruck time.
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@ACT-Crusader Wasn’t only a reference to this match.
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@mariner4life It’s not the correct / incorrect that bothers me. It’s the watching the game in hundredths of a seconds inevitably leads to massive inconsistency. Just rewind the tape until you see something you don’t like. Or don’t. Or do. Or don’t.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Negatives?
Our spine are dumb and why we struggle. 9, 10, 15. No control at all, no feel for tempo. Flat out, always. Playing for them must be exhausting.
Proctor was average at 13, but he'll he saved by the fact his most likely replacement was worst on ground. Ioane is cooked, get rid.
What the fuck do you fo either Ardie Savea? With ball in hand few are better. But in a test team? He's do selfish. He will actively avoid attacking rucks, so he can get the next run. At 7 he made no dent in the French breakdown.
I think it's a worry that the main problems I see are guys you know will get selected every week
Ioane does look cooked. Doesn’t pass or look to setup those around him. Was just running straight at defenders.
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@kev said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Negatives?
Our spine are dumb and why we struggle. 9, 10, 15. No control at all, no feel for tempo. Flat out, always. Playing for them must be exhausting.
Proctor was average at 13, but he'll he saved by the fact his most likely replacement was worst on ground. Ioane is cooked, get rid.
What the fuck do you fo either Ardie Savea? With ball in hand few are better. But in a test team? He's do selfish. He will actively avoid attacking rucks, so he can get the next run. At 7 he made no dent in the French breakdown.
I think it's a worry that the main problems I see are guys you know will get selected every week
Ioane does look cooked. Doesn’t pass or look to setup those around him. Was just running straight at defenders.
He is at that age unfortunately. How come other countries wingers last longer than ours ?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v France I:
@kev said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Negatives?
Our spine are dumb and why we struggle. 9, 10, 15. No control at all, no feel for tempo. Flat out, always. Playing for them must be exhausting.
Proctor was average at 13, but he'll he saved by the fact his most likely replacement was worst on ground. Ioane is cooked, get rid.
What the fuck do you fo either Ardie Savea? With ball in hand few are better. But in a test team? He's do selfish. He will actively avoid attacking rucks, so he can get the next run. At 7 he made no dent in the French breakdown.
I think it's a worry that the main problems I see are guys you know will get selected every week
Ioane does look cooked. Doesn’t pass or look to setup those around him. Was just running straight at defenders.
He is at that age unfortunately. How come other countries wingers last longer than ours ?
I think it’s usually our so called power wingers who might start to drop away athletically and to go with that , there might be younger guys demanding pick me
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v France I:
@kev said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Negatives?
Our spine are dumb and why we struggle. 9, 10, 15. No control at all, no feel for tempo. Flat out, always. Playing for them must be exhausting.
Proctor was average at 13, but he'll he saved by the fact his most likely replacement was worst on ground. Ioane is cooked, get rid.
What the fuck do you fo either Ardie Savea? With ball in hand few are better. But in a test team? He's do selfish. He will actively avoid attacking rucks, so he can get the next run. At 7 he made no dent in the French breakdown.
I think it's a worry that the main problems I see are guys you know will get selected every week
Ioane does look cooked. Doesn’t pass or look to setup those around him. Was just running straight at defenders.
He is at that age unfortunately. How come other countries wingers last longer than ours ?
Cos they offer other skills - Rieko doesn't kick and doesn't have an aerial game
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France I:
@kev said in All Blacks v France I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Negatives?
Our spine are dumb and why we struggle. 9, 10, 15. No control at all, no feel for tempo. Flat out, always. Playing for them must be exhausting.
Proctor was average at 13, but he'll he saved by the fact his most likely replacement was worst on ground. Ioane is cooked, get rid.
What the fuck do you fo either Ardie Savea? With ball in hand few are better. But in a test team? He's do selfish. He will actively avoid attacking rucks, so he can get the next run. At 7 he made no dent in the French breakdown.
I think it's a worry that the main problems I see are guys you know will get selected every week
Ioane does look cooked. Doesn’t pass or look to setup those around him. Was just running straight at defenders.
He is at that age unfortunately. How come other countries wingers last longer than ours ?
I think it’s usually our so called power wingers who might start to drop away athletically and to go with that , there might be younger guys demanding pick me
We had two of the best in Ben Smith and Corey Jane. Emoni Narawa looks like that type of balanced player.
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The focus on Rieko Ioane is frankly ludicrous. He's the least of our worries.
The loose forwards remain unbalanced, the defence again lets in too many tries and is just soak tackles. Support play is poor and we can't convert opportunities due to a lack of composure.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v France I:
On the TMO, the much vaunted and favoured Saffas got a try rubbed out due to an obstruction that was probably less obvious than ours last night. It's just the way the game is reffed these days.
I genuinely have fallen out of love with the game.
I watch it on muscle memory alone these days.
The Lions tests are going to be a debacle. I can feel it in my waters.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v France I:
Rieko came on the scene with insane athleticism.
Fast, strong and elusive.Since then, he has not improved his kicking game, aerial game or passing game.
Yes.
In rugby as in any sport players whose best attributes are athleticism, speed etc age badly if they don't add to their repertoire because once they lose a bit of pace they can't reinvent themselves.
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France I:
The focus on Rieko Ioane is frankly ludicrous. He's the least of our worries.
The loose forwards remain unbalanced, the defence again lets in too many tries and is just soak tackles. Support play is poor and we can't convert opportunities due to a lack of composure.
We have no Pieter Steph and no Harry Wilson.
Lads who genuinely cherish a tackle and winding up for a big carry respectively.
Our loosies do both their defending and attacking from standing starts. There is no spite.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v France I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v France I:
On the TMO, the much vaunted and favoured Saffas got a try rubbed out due to an obstruction that was probably less obvious than ours last night. It's just the way the game is reffed these days.
I genuinely have fallen out of love with the game.
I watch it on muscle memory alone these days.
The Lions tests are going to be a debacle. I can feel it in my waters.
I'm prepping for a spell out of the game if the NPC coverage decreases, plus I'm annoyed at Stan who are going to raise prices for English soccer coverage.
I'm tempted to go full angry old man and send strongly worded emails.
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Good post Mauss.
He has the tools but I don't think its in his nature. It's difficult to teach an old dog new tricks and I feel that at 31 that's his instinct.
The carry stats are wrong and where I think we struggled in the game. The highlighted should not be carrying that much considering their roles.
Top Carries
18 Ardie Savea
17 Damian Mckenzie
15 Will Jordan
14 Beauden Barrett
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France I:
Good post Mauss.
He has the tools but I don't think its in his nature. It's difficult to teach an old dog new tricks and I feel that at 31 that's his instinct.
The carry stats are wrong and where I think we struggled in the game. The highlighted should not be carrying that much considering their roles.
Top Carries
18 Ardie Savea
17 Damian Mckenzie
15 Will Jordan
14 Beauden Barrett
13 Fabian HollandArdie is selected for his carrying, that's his key strength, and that was part and parcel of being an 8 so it was less of an issue if he was carrying that much.
