Chin ups, what is a good number ?
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[quote name='MN5']Yeah to be fair if the form was super strict the number would drop a bit ! I sometimes peruse youtube links of people doing chins and whatever and there are always haters who pick on how strict the form is etc. I'd get given a bit of grief if I put a vid up !<br />
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Anyway, one of my aims is to work up to some of these, can't do em at the moment....my head would go through the garage roof :whistle:<br />
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Yeah the Muscle Up is something I aspire to do also. Much tougher for the big units. Ive seen video of crossfitters doing them with gymnastics rings!!! -
[quote name='Red Beard']Yeah the Muscle Up is something I aspire to do also. Much tougher for the big units. Ive seen video of crossfitters doing them with gymnastics rings!!![/QUOTE]<br />
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That dude makes it look easy. They're a weird exercise, I find it easy to scale a wall taller than me using a similar movement. Doing it 20 times in a row though ????? ummmmmmmmmmmmmm not happening ! -
Hell those muscleups look hardcase - will have to try them sometime.<br />
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21 chins is a good effort mate, especially for a bigger fella like yaself.<br />
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I haven't do any for a couple of weeks but think 29 was my max. Keen to crack the 30 asap. Bear in mind that I'm only just over 80kg.<br />
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12 months back I couldnt do many - maybe 2-3 of my body weight. Use to do 1 set of max pullups to failure every workout and then 3 sets of weight assisted (12,10 and 8 reps). That worked well and after 2-3months I could do 10 body weight no probs. My PT then made me knock off 50 of the buggers at the start of my upper body workouts (when did upper/lower split) and I think it used to take me 7 or 8 sets at first but can now do them in 3 cracks with 10-15seconds break between the 3 "sets". Good fun. -
[quote name='JK']Hell those muscleups look hardcase - will have to try them sometime.<br />
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21 chins is a good effort mate, especially for a bigger fella like yaself.<br />
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I haven't do any for a couple of weeks but think 29 was my max. Keen to crack the 30 asap. Bear in mind that I'm only just over 80kg.<br />
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12 months back I couldnt do many - maybe 2-3 of my body weight. Use to do 1 set of max pullups to failure every workout and then 3 sets of weight assisted (12,10 and 8 reps). That worked well and after 2-3months I could do 10 body weight no probs. My PT then made me knock off 50 of the buggers at the start of my upper body workouts (when did upper/lower split) and I think it used to take me 7 or 8 sets at first but can now do them in 3 cracks with 10-15seconds break between the 3 "sets". Good fun.[/QUOTE]<br />
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Shit great work mate. Your progress is inspiring! -
[quote name='JK']Hell those muscleups look hardcase - will have to try them sometime.<br />
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21 chins is a good effort mate, especially for a bigger fella like yaself.<br />
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I haven't do any for a couple of weeks but think 29 was my max. Keen to crack the 30 asap. Bear in mind that I'm only just over 80kg.<br />
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12 months back I couldnt do many - maybe 2-3 of my body weight. Use to do 1 set of max pullups to failure every workout and then 3 sets of weight assisted (12,10 and 8 reps). That worked well and after 2-3months I could do 10 body weight no probs. My PT then made me knock off 50 of the buggers at the start of my upper body workouts (when did upper/lower split) and I think it used to take me 7 or 8 sets at first but can now do them in 3 cracks with 10-15seconds break between the 3 "sets". Good fun.[/QUOTE]<br />
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Say what you want about bodyweight, 29 is a sensational effort. Great work JK especially given how many you could (n't ) do to start <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
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Might have to try the 50 rep thing at the start of my weights too, question is how the fuck do you manage anything else after that ????? -
[quote name='JK']Never found the 50 that taxing to be honest. Have always done chin ups early in the workout - usually straight after warmup. Finds it gets me pretty pumped for the rest of the workout rather than draining me.[/QUOTE]<br />
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Dude you're the expert, i'm gonna attempt 50 next "guns" workout and see how many sets it takes me. What is the rest period ? a minute or whatever ? -
muscle ups are a bloody good work out, I can crank out 2 now, took lots of practice.<br />
Al Kavadlo has a great website and great tutorial videos on youtube about bodyweight calisthenics workout.<br />
Great training for muscle ups is a playground with jungle gym or monkey bar at chest/neck height that you can jump off the ground to achieve the muscle up - it trains you nicely into the motion that you should be achieving for a full hang muscle up - its all about speed and momentum.<br />
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[url]http://www.alkavadlo.com/[/url]<br />
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/alkavadlo?feature=watch[/url]<br />
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the dude rocks.<br />
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my goals are more fluid muscleups and the human flag. Numbers don't bother me, quality of the movement is much more appealing to me. -
[quote name='Quo vadis']muscle ups are a bloody good work out, I can crank out 2 now, took lots of practice.<br />
Al Kavadlo has a great website and great tutorial videos on youtube about bodyweight calisthenics workout.<br />
Great training for muscle ups is a playground with jungle gym or monkey bar at chest/neck height that you can jump off the ground to achieve the muscle up - it trains you nicely into the motion that you should be achieving for a full hang muscle up - its all about speed and momentum.<br />
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[URL]http://www.alkavadlo.com/[/URL]<br />
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/user/alkavadlo?feature=watch[/URL]<br />
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the dude rocks.<br />
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my goals are more fluid muscleups and the human flag. Numbers don't bother me, quality of the movement is much more appealing to me.[/QUOTE]<br />
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Wicked thanks for that mate. Have now saved Alkavadlo to my favourites. Lately Ive found myself moving away from powerlifting movements and drifting towards more functional BW strength and conditioning. The pistol squat and muscle up are two new exercises I want to work towards. -
[quote name='MN5']Dude you're the expert, i'm gonna attempt 50 next "guns" workout and see how many sets it takes me. What is the rest period ? a minute or whatever ?[/QUOTE]. <br />
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No real set rest but I guess as long as you feel you need to get back up there and crack out a few more. PT just said to bang out 50 in the shortest amount of time and least amount of "sets" as possible. I would usually have 15seconds or so break between goes. Just enough to recompose self etc. Make sure ya do it straight after ya warm up though. Much harder later in the workout. -
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No real set rest but I guess as long as you feel you need to get back up there and crack out a few more. PT just said to bang out 50 in the shortest amount of time and least amount of "sets" as possible. I would usually have 15seconds or so break between goes. Just enough to recompose self etc. Make sure ya do it straight after ya warm up though. Much harder later in the workout.[/QUOTE]<br />
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Right, sounds like a challenge I need to take up. I still distinctly remember chin ups at primary school PE on the rack on the wall. I think I flexed with all my might and hauled my 40kg frame up for one, kicking as much as I could for all the momentum I could get. Glad to say I've come a long way since then. You can still see how they are a real bugbear for some folk though....... -
Chins suck. But then again I am about 122kg. I can normally knock out 4-6 reps of wide group chins for about 3 sets with full extension at the bottom. Just body weight though. <br />
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One thing I found a few years ago when I was focusing on them was using those bands you can find in the gym (often used for explosive bench). Ild max out on BW. Would go straight to the weakest band and max out, then shift to the medium strength, followed by the strongest band. Ild do 3-4 sets of that each upper body session and my strength for the exercise sky rocketed. -
[quote name='Chubby13']Chins suck. But then again I am about 122kg. I can normally knock out 4-6 reps of wide group chins for about 3 sets with full extension at the bottom. Just body weight though.[/QUOTE]<br />
That's bloody impressive at 122kg! -
caveat: I'm posting about pull ups in a chin up thread....<br />
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I'm down from my best since it's the Winter here, and not going often. I weekly do 3*10 full pull ups-with 1 second dead hang, plus at the top after doing 10 will do some stomach exercise.<br />
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5 months ago was doing cheat pull ups twice or thrice a week, would do 100+ each time, in sets of 30 (most ever was 37), 20, 20, 20, 20, 20....<br />
Most ever was 150 in 8 sets, and also 135 in 6 sets. Yesterday I did 30/20/20 but had to leave as busy, and have ended up with a small neck strain. Can't wait for better weather and can go more regularly.<br />
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The cheat pull ups are basically keeping a still body, but only lowering myself 60-70% of the way down. I always take about 2 minutes between sets.<br />
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Sometimes I'll do 10 sets of 5-6 pull ups, in 10 minutes. Full pull ups. Nice way to finish a hike. Am 85kg. -
Use momentum.
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[quote name='Chubby13']How do you do cheat pull ups?[/QUOTE]<br />
well I don't use momentum-they're not those cross-fit type of kipping movement.<br />
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[QUOTE][COLOR=#3E3E3E]The cheat pull ups are basically keeping a still body, but only lowering myself 60-70% of the way down. I always take about 2 minutes between sets.[/COLOR]<br />
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So, a good workout would be 6 sets of those (130 reps total), with decent breaks, then 10 sets in 10 minutes of 5-7 strict, full pull ups with stomach exercise after each.<br />
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Anyway, each to his own, I doubt I could keep up with Bartman on any exercise apart from stairs, at least.
