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@canefan said in US Politics:
Mr Smith going off the network reservation
You seem confused. Fox has been the only network that actually debated this. What network reservation are you talking about? I can only assume you never actually watch Fox.
I can guarantee that for every piece of Trump praise all the other networks combined I can find 5 negative reports on Fox about Trump.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Illegality was certainly mentioned, insinuated and fantasized about by a few. But glad we can put the absurd claim of illegality to rest. ..that leaves political games...MSM use the word "collusion". Collusion is not a statutory crime.
Funnily enough, that is not mentioned unless they are challenged on it.To be fair, I have read that Don Jr. might have broken campaign finance laws or something. I note the media is now shifting their focus to Jared Kushner - more valuable target.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Illegality was certainly mentioned, insinuated and fantasized about by a few. But glad we can put the absurd claim of illegality to rest. ..that leaves political games...MSM use the word "collusion". Collusion is not a statutory crime.
Funnily enough, that is not mentioned unless they are challenged on it.To be fair, I have read that Don Jr. might have broken campaign finance laws or something. I note the media is now shifting their focus to Jared Kushner - more valuable target.
That's bollox as well though. ..until someone can point out what was given to the Trump campaign. And they cannot.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
Illegality was certainly mentioned, insinuated and fantasized about by a few. But glad we can put the absurd claim of illegality to rest. ..that leaves political games...MSM use the word "collusion". Collusion is not a statutory crime.
Funnily enough, that is not mentioned unless they are challenged on it.To be fair, I have read that Don Jr. might have broken campaign finance laws or something. I note the media is now shifting their focus to Jared Kushner - more valuable target.
Kushner has always been the one with the most to lose as Don Jr has no official position in the Whitehouse and Manafort is long gone.
Theres plenty of stuff thats legal but broadly considered wrong which would undermine the integrity of the Whitehouse. Colluding with the Russians is one of them.
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@Bones said in US Politics:
So if I'm reading this right, we've got Trump supporters saying that past elections have had nefarious goings on, despite there being no evidence. Then we've got Trump supporters saying that nothing nefarious happened with Trump Jr because there's no evidence of it happening?
It's all rather confusing.
It isnt confusing at all unless you are trying to spin this into something terrible, then of course it would get tricky getting all the threads you fantasise about into something.
For example. I am still waiting for anyone to tell me what Trump jnr did that was illegal. Pretty vital BEFORE he is accused of treason and put to death. Yes really... Democrats senators have gone that far. Let that sink in for a minute.
I'm not trying to spin anything, just trying to understand why Trump has done nothing wrong because there's no evidence, yet all other elections have done something wrong even though there's no evidence. And we'd be stupid to think otherwise?
That just doesn't seem like very sane logic to me.
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Watching a story on 'Sunday' on the Mexico-USA border, pretty fucking shocking stuff. An old couple who own a ranch have 3000+ armed drug smugglers coming through their property every year. The "wall" is nothing more than a barbed wire fence.
Say what you want about Trump but the situation there is completely out of hand and needs a solution. NZ is lucky to be an island, fuck having criminals coming into your country on a daily basis with all manner of drugs, let alone the hordes of people that just want to enter illegally to live here. Tough situation alright.
Since Trump became president illegal crossings have dropped 40%. So he's doing something right in that regard!
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@Bones said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
So if I'm reading this right, we've got Trump supporters saying that past elections have had nefarious goings on, despite there being no evidence. Then we've got Trump supporters saying that nothing nefarious happened with Trump Jr because there's no evidence of it happening?
It's all rather confusing.
It isnt confusing at all unless you are trying to spin this into something terrible, then of course it would get tricky getting all the threads you fantasise about into something.
For example. I am still waiting for anyone to tell me what Trump jnr did that was illegal. Pretty vital BEFORE he is accused of treason and put to death. Yes really... Democrats senators have gone that far. Let that sink in for a minute.
I'm not trying to spin anything, just trying to understand why Trump has done nothing wrong because there's no evidence, yet all other elections have done something wrong even though there's no evidence. And we'd be stupid to think otherwise?
That just doesn't seem like very sane logic to me.
Maybe if you didn't make up things you wouldnt be so confused? Nobody has said anyone doing this in previous elections were doing anything wrong. So yeah I think you were spinning.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
So if I'm reading this right, we've got Trump supporters saying that past elections have had nefarious goings on, despite there being no evidence. Then we've got Trump supporters saying that nothing nefarious happened with Trump Jr because there's no evidence of it happening?
It's all rather confusing.
It isnt confusing at all unless you are trying to spin this into something terrible, then of course it would get tricky getting all the threads you fantasise about into something.
For example. I am still waiting for anyone to tell me what Trump jnr did that was illegal. Pretty vital BEFORE he is accused of treason and put to death. Yes really... Democrats senators have gone that far. Let that sink in for a minute.
I'm not trying to spin anything, just trying to understand why Trump has done nothing wrong because there's no evidence, yet all other elections have done something wrong even though there's no evidence. And we'd be stupid to think otherwise?
That just doesn't seem like very sane logic to me.
Maybe if you didn't make up things you wouldnt be so confused? Nobody has said anyone doing this in previous elections were doing anything wrong. So yeah I think you were spinning.
Hah, so defensive. What am I trying to spin? I'm not making things up, I couldn't give a shit either way, I'm finding the whole discussion interesting and I'm sure you know what I meant, but be pedantic and pick up not having the exact wording if you want.
I just don't understand the logic where evidence is required of Trump's wrongdoing but we can say it's happened loads in the past without any evidence. That sounds like conspiracy theorist logic.
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@Bones said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
So if I'm reading this right, we've got Trump supporters saying that past elections have had nefarious goings on, despite there being no evidence. Then we've got Trump supporters saying that nothing nefarious happened with Trump Jr because there's no evidence of it happening?
It's all rather confusing.
It isnt confusing at all unless you are trying to spin this into something terrible, then of course it would get tricky getting all the threads you fantasise about into something.
For example. I am still waiting for anyone to tell me what Trump jnr did that was illegal. Pretty vital BEFORE he is accused of treason and put to death. Yes really... Democrats senators have gone that far. Let that sink in for a minute.
I'm not trying to spin anything, just trying to understand why Trump has done nothing wrong because there's no evidence, yet all other elections have done something wrong even though there's no evidence. And we'd be stupid to think otherwise?
That just doesn't seem like very sane logic to me.
Maybe if you didn't make up things you wouldnt be so confused? Nobody has said anyone doing this in previous elections were doing anything wrong. So yeah I think you were spinning.
Hah, so defensive. What am I trying to spin? I'm not making things up, I couldn't give a shit either way, I'm finding the whole discussion interesting and I'm sure you know what I meant, but be pedantic and pick up not having the exact wording if you want.
I just don't understand the logic where evidence is required of Trump's wrongdoing but we can say it's happened loads in the past without any evidence. That sounds like conspiracy theorist logic.
Now you are changing what you are saying. Get specific about who said it has happened loads in the past and that it was wrong and failed to provide evidence. You clearly do give a shit because you are trying really hard to find an issue with something nobody said.
It is not pedantic to point out that the whole key to your supposed confusion is based on something that nobody said.And it isn't defensive to call someone out for making stuff up.
I find it more strange that people still cannot tell me what he did that was illegal, if you really want to be confused.. try that. It is working for me.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
So if I'm reading this right, we've got Trump supporters saying that past elections have had nefarious goings on, despite there being no evidence. Then we've got Trump supporters saying that nothing nefarious happened with Trump Jr because there's no evidence of it happening?
It's all rather confusing.
It isnt confusing at all unless you are trying to spin this into something terrible, then of course it would get tricky getting all the threads you fantasise about into something.
For example. I am still waiting for anyone to tell me what Trump jnr did that was illegal. Pretty vital BEFORE he is accused of treason and put to death. Yes really... Democrats senators have gone that far. Let that sink in for a minutebolded text.
have you got a link for that nothing shows up in my news feeds
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback I'm sure we can all read back in the thread where @Rancid-Schnitzel is saying that previous election campaigns have had meetings with foreign representatives to gather dirt on the opposition and that it's naive to think otherwise, despite there being no evidence.
Yet nothing illegal happened in Trump's meeting because there's no evidence.
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@Bones said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I'm sure we can all read back in the thread where @Rancid-Schnitzel is saying that previous election campaigns have had meetings with foreign representatives to gather dirt on the opposition and that it's naive to think otherwise, despite there being no evidence.
Yet nothing illegal happened in Trump's meeting because there's no evidence.
Except he never said there was anything wrong with it when previous campaigns did it. He was pointing out the hypocrisy. So call your faux confusion is based on bollox.
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@Bones said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I'm sure we can all read back in the thread where @Rancid-Schnitzel is saying that previous election campaigns have had meetings with foreign representatives to gather dirt on the opposition and that it's naive to think otherwise, despite there being no evidence.
Yet nothing illegal happened in Trump's meeting because there's no evidence.
Excuse me? If you'd actually read, you'd see that my argument was that any candidate who was offered the dirt on an opponent would at least find out what that dirt was. Again if you could read, you would see that the naive part relates to the claims that they wouldn't and would immediately call the feds.
So please address that rather than make ignorant cracks from the sideline.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback I'm sure we can all read back in the thread where @Rancid-Schnitzel is saying that previous election campaigns have had meetings with foreign representatives to gather dirt on the opposition and that it's naive to think otherwise, despite there being no evidence.
Yet nothing illegal happened in Trump's meeting because there's no evidence.
Excuse me? If you'd actually read, you'd see that my argument was that any candidate who was offered the dirt on an opponent would at least find out what that dirt was. Again if you could read, you would see that the naive part relates to the claims that they wouldn't and would immediately call the feds.
So please address that rather than make ignorant cracks from the sideline.
Address what was actually said instead of what they wished you said? Unlikely.
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@Frank as Ben Shapiro said, now we just need The Rock to run and we'll be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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