D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders
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On some of the points raised above.
The bidding process specified that matches must be played in the bidding union territory. So no sharing out after that fact or horse deals on that one.
The French bid had money for individual unions on offer. Substantial money for Tier One unions who had the 3 votes.
Browne of the IRFU is ‘disappointed with our neighbours’. Like John Pullin before, the English turned up again. But their Celtic cousins and PRO14 partners lost their way.
The SRU followed the money to France and WRU’s Davies said he was honor bound to follow the recommendation because he was on Rugby World Cup board. Those 6 votes changed the picture completely from a likely France 15, Ireland 14 and SA 10 to Ireland being also-rans and out.
The often-quoted myth of home union harmony and voting en bloc in WR is well and truly dead. The IRFU’s other PRO14 partner, Italy, also turned away giving their vote to SA, despite owing the IRFU a good chunk of money from non-payment of their PRO14 participation fees over the last few years.
Should make for a few interesting meetings and pained silences in Celtic Rugby over the next few months.
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@pot-hale Irish Times article had Italy voting for France.
(... maybe to get the money to Ireland ... ?)
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@booboo said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
Am wondering if anyone is incandescent with rage?
I’d say that Browne is spitting....
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@taniwharugby I suppose the consolation is, it doesn't matter where it's being hosted as much as which cupboard Bill spends his 4 years in. For all their money, I don't believe they can even beat a shambolic Bok team let alone a home RWC.
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@pn said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
I guess that this means we wont see another RWC in NZ again.
Why not? Under the current rules - sure, but under the current rules Japan would not win hosting rights either.
Things will change, sub hosting will likely come back on the table, there will be a move on for a RWC in the Americas in the next 20 years. I fully expect a RWC fixture to be played in NZ during my lifetime.
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I'm sure the Irish would have done a great job, but I'm not surprised that France won the bid. They're the hub of professionalism for a range of nations. I look forward to going there.
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Get. Fucked.
France again already? Fuck "World" Rugby. At least their whole process has been shown to be an expensive sham. FIFA-lite.
I'm sure Samoa are stoked, as maybe they won't go bankrupt owing $400k....
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@mariner4life said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
Get. Fucked.
France again already? Fuck "World" Rugby. At least their whole process has been shown to be an expensive sham. FIFA-lite.
I'm sure some Samoa Rugby administratorsare stoked, as maybe they will be able to appropriate shitloads more dosh and Samoa won't go bankrupt owing only $400k....
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Warning - assumption only
2023 Rugby World Cup vote breakdown on Round 1
Ireland
England 3
North America 2
Canada 1
USA 1
*Oceania 1 (split vote)
Total: 8South Africa
Wales 3
New Zealand 3
Australia 3
Argentina 3
Oceania 1 (split)
Total: 13France
Scotland 3
Italy 3
Japan 2
Asia 2
South America 2
Europe 2
Africa 2
Georgia 1
Romania 1
Total: 18England, USA, Canada, Oceania shifted to France in Round 2.
Scotland said they were going to vote for whoever would generate the most money so they backed France. Italy did the same. Wales said they were bound to follow the recommendation since Gerald Davies was on the Rugby World Cup board. Those 9 votes were pivotal to Ireland’s demise.
Unlike SANZAR who stuck together in backing SA, the myth of the Home Union unity got exposed as votes split three ways. Equally, the three original unions in the PRO12 didn’t back Ireland either.
If just Wales had backed Ireland, it would have knocked SA out and removed the obligation to vote for the recommended union. Scotland or Italy had eyes only for the promised surplus from France – 55% of which would be split amongst the Tier 1 unions – about £4m each.
Money talks. Reports take a back seat.
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@pot-hale Is that a public release or mere supposition?
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@antipodean said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@pot-hale Is that a public release or mere supposition?
Pure idle speculation, supposition and assumptions by lil’ ole me based on media reports and reported quotes from people involved in bids.
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Money talks and bullshit walks. Fourth time now that WorldRugby has kicked SARU in the balls. Wonder if they have the stamina to go for it in 2027? Or should they?
Question though is does any Southern Hemisphere nation have the capacity to increase on the so called £350 mil promised to WorldRugby by the frogs? I suspect WorldRugby is going to have to take a knock if they want to see the RWC in the Southern Hemisphere. So 3 RWC in the Nothern Hemisphere.
What irked me the most was that the CAR vote went to the Frogs, fucking useless pricks. Getting free boarding at SARU offices. Hope you get a fucking eviction notice, godam pricks.
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Quick query:
@pot-hale said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
North America 2
Canada 1
USA 1Que?
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