The new wine thread
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@canefan I've just tried them out on winesearcher and the Cab Say/Merlot Grand Reserve is only available in NZ
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@catogrande It's hard to know what you get there. Back in 1999 when I visited the UK for the first time they were selling White Cloud wine IIRC and it was a big deal. But no one drank that shit at home, a bit like aussies not drinking Fosters!!
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@canefan said in The new wine thread:
@catogrande It's hard to know what you get there. Back in 1999 when I visited the UK for the first time they were selling White Cloud wine IIRC and it was a big deal. But no one drank that shit at home, a bit like aussies not drinking Fosters!!
Probably because people thought they were drinking Cloudy Bay!
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Felton Rd wines are very nice
https://www.nzhouseofwine.co.uk/product-details/felton-road-dry-riesling
The pinots are delicious and the riesling is underrated, usually has aromas of apricots, yummy
Coleraine is regarded as one of NZ's best reds
http://www.raymondchanwinereviews.co.nz/blog/te-mata-coleraine-2015-1982
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@catogrande said in The new wine thread:
@canefan Not heard of the Church Road brand. Do they export to the UK do you know?
Very few NZ wineries sell under the same label in the U.K.
Often the brand name is registered by someone else, sometimes the name is unsuitable
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@crucial said in The new wine thread:
@catogrande said in The new wine thread:
@canefan Not heard of the Church Road brand. Do they export to the UK do you know?
Very few NZ wineries sell under the same label in the U.K.
Often the brand name is registered by someone else, sometimes the name is unsuitable
Are you an accountant? That post is informative but not actually any help.
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I’m a huge fan, but haven’t made it across to Cromwell for a few years. It’s maaaaaaaaad money here, so I never buy kiwi wine in Japan.
Planning to take the Mrs there next year, with lunch and a few bottles at Mt Difficulty too.
Last time I was home, I had an amazing Sauv Blanc from Peregrine - their Pinots are always pretty good, but I was super impressed with the white, and it was a reasonable price too - like $25 bucks or something and we’ll worth it.
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@catogrande said in The new wine thread:
@crucial said in The new wine thread:
@catogrande said in The new wine thread:
@canefan Not heard of the Church Road brand. Do they export to the UK do you know?
Very few NZ wineries sell under the same label in the U.K.
Often the brand name is registered by someone else, sometimes the name is unsuitable
Are you an accountant? That post is informative but not actually any help.
I'm an even better example than an accountant. I produce KPI reporting systems for IT delivery teams.
Baffle them with bullshit is the motto.
People want to pay for it, so who am I to question?
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@catogrande said in The new wine thread:
@canefan I've just tried them out on winesearcher and the Cab Say/Merlot Grand Reserve is only available in NZ
Church Roads top wines are produced under the "Tom" brand names after Tom MacDonald their iconic winemaker from 50's-70's. Quick check suggests you're not going to get them in UK either which highlights NZ wines major issue which is lack of scale.
Wines like Coleraine and LaRose are consistently judged as comparable to the top Bordeaux cru's by international reviewers - even Aussie critic's say Coleraine is better than Grange (which is bizarre as one is a Bordeaux blend the other mainly Shiraz) but they're difficult to get even here in NZ and are priced accordingly. Effectively you have to either know the right merchant or be on the vineyards mailing list and have bought previous vintages to have a chance of getting one. LaRose sells out en primeur but will reward you if you can get hold of a drop. The fact that someone like Robt Parker has scored them both in the mid 90's has made getting hold of any even harder.
Still I think that even at $200/bottle they are better quality than similarly priced French bordeaux
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I bought a Tom a few years ago and enjoyed it - very Saint Julien-ish even though i think it’s mainly merlot. But, at that money (and given what I can get Bordeaux Grand Crus for here) it’s still a pretty hard road to be cost competitive internationally. It fills a great space in NZ though, and I’d buy it again if I were home or looking for a special gift for my wine snob friends.
I haven’t been able to get my hands on the others, but as I can get almost anything for reasonable money (bar premier grand cru class) it’s hard to pull the trigger anyway. As an example, I can get a first rate Super Tuscan for the same (or less money) plus almost any second through fifth class Bordeaux (some of which don’t deserve the ranking anymore, but some of which are still unbelievably good).
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@canefan said in The new wine thread:
@gt12 They do a very nice lunch at Amisfield near Arrowtown too. So many choices
Amisfield is a great spot. Lovely Pinot Noir - not cheap but really good as is the food. I don't care for their Pinot Gris, too sweet for my liking. Looked at buying a property a few years ago from Tom Tusher who owns Amisfield. Nice guy. also owns Blanket Bay Lodge which is fantastic down near Glenorchy. Was ex CEO of Levi jeans bought up large station and has been selling off sections of it. Gave heaps back as national park as well I think as part of the deal.
Back on topic -A couple of Saffa reds worth a mention that I haven't had for a while but worth getting your hands on, Meerlust rubicon and I think it was a Springfield that I had with @Billy-Webb about a decade ago but still remember it because it was really good.
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@gt12 I'm a big fan of Te Mata wines. I enjoy their more Old World style and have never been disappointed. They just do what they do incredibly well and don't compromise on quality.
Having said that I've never gone for the bigger bottles simply because they work out more expensive due to the bottle cost. Having said that I just looked and Glengarry have the Magnum on special now so it works out cheaper than 2 x 750 ml https://www.glengarrywines.co.nz/brands/te mata
You can get it even cheaper through the vineyard website but the 750 is only $115 at Moore Wilson -
With thanks to @dogmeat ive got two bottles on their way. Looking forward to it!
Had a crazy dinner (b-day) last week where they put on a wine tasting with the main course (5 full glasses of Barolo Oddero from 5 vineyards across Barolo, including a 2009 Brunate, and a 2010 Bussia riserva). They are proper money over there (by the looks), but very elegant. Amazing wine with Kagoshima wild duck. Half that price here (or less), but if you are looking to go large for Xmas I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.
2012 @ United Cellars
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Felton Road Bannockburn Pinot Noir 2018
