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    @taniwharugby

    He's had plenty of time to make better selections though. I think that the moment he made Pulu captain, the writing should have been on the wall. Both Kaino and SBW are there, plus others who I'm not such a fan of (Parsons). The only nailed on selection in the team (IMO) was SBW. If he didn't bring him there for that, why the fuck did you guys rob us of him? And if not him, sign a captain - Luke Whitelock-esque someone from somewhere.

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    @gt12 kinda what I was saying, he is blinded by his loyalty in regard to,selections and is hindering this team fulfilling the potential

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    @gt12 Tupou was meant to be that guy.

    There was confusion when O’Keeffe asked Tupou who was the captain when Pulu left the field. IIRC he (Tupou) said Kaino was the new captain but then it ended up being Tupou. You would think teams would have this sorted.

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    Yep, but he doesn’t hold his place, sadly.

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    @taniwharugby

    One thing I think you are right about is that they’re aren’t far away. So, with a few good choices they could get there. Even Pulu, when he is used we’ll, can be a weapon. I just don’t think he is a starting halfback for this side.

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    @gt12 Williams might be experienced but he really doesn't strike me as even close to captaincy material. Pretty loose as a player at times and that's without going into any debate around his tactical nous...

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    @bones

    Yep. All good points. But, I don’t know another player in that Blues team who is an automatic selection. Kaino? Parsons? Ofa? Duffie? Ioane(s)? Pat T maybe?

    Looking at that, I can somewhat understand the Pulu idea, even though I think it’s wrong.. that’s why I would have considered recruiting a captain (which, admittedly, is super hard).

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    So who stood up as a leader in that game? Parsons? PT? Scrafton? Tupou? Kaino (at the end)?

    Nope. No one.

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    @crucial said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    So who stood up as a leader in that game? Parsons? PT? Scrafton? Tupou? Kaino (at the end)?

    Nope. No one.

    Parsons had a great game I thought. For a 2nd week in a row. Tana's signing Apasai came on and was horrible...for the 2nd week in a row.

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    @kiwimurph said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    @crucial said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    So who stood up as a leader in that game? Parsons? PT? Scrafton? Tupou? Kaino (at the end)?

    Nope. No one.

    Parsons had a great game I thought. For a 2nd week in a row. Tana's signing Apasai came on and was horrible...for the 2nd week in a row.

    Had a good game, yes. Stood up as a leader? Didn't see much of that?

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    @crucial and whose fault is that?

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    I guess when the team's supporters are asking the question in Week 2 of the competition there's probably an answer there in itself.

    I'd say the Blues have got better under Tana - but, @rotated has previously made the point that Super rugby competitions don't tend to be won by coaches making gradual improvements, but by new guys coming in and grabbing things by the scruff of the neck.

    I'm inclined to think there are contingencies around that - in terms of player quality, etc - but, it's pretty hard to see the Blues winning a championship in the next couple of seasons under Tana - a bit like Toddy, he seems to have a ceiling.

    Question is - what does someone new do? Maybe recruit some leadership - or put in place a different structure.

    Maybe what Tana should've done this year is name Pulu and Parsons as co-Captains. Haven't heard much of Pulu, but Parsons is often in the media and seems like a smart and eloquent guy. Maybe Pulu is the guy to lead from the front.

    One apparent thing from tonight's team is the number of guy who are second-string ABs (aside from Reiko - and JK on the bench). Not really anyone who's going to be grabbing the biggest matches by the horns and dragging their team over the line.

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    What would the status be if the coach didn't happen to be AB legend Tana Umaga? Same players, same results but solid if unspectacular coach called, for example, Tom O'Meilly. I think Mr O'Meilly would be in trouble.

    I heart Tana, but this is getting beyond a joke.

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    @kiwimurph said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    @crucial and whose fault is that?

    Ummm? His own?

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    Actually one thing I think that would have made a difference at the Blues since Evans pissed off is a proper world class flyhalf. It wouldn't have won them a title but they probably would have won a shit load more matches.

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    @rancid-schnitzel said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    What would the status be if the coach didn't happen to be AB legend Tana Umaga? Same players, same results but solid if unspectacular coach called, for example, Tom O'Meilly. I think Mr O'Meilly would be in trouble.

    I heart Tana, but this is getting beyond a joke.

    Perhaps Tom O would’ve had a better attacking structure firstly by playing a centre that knows how to distribute and therefore not having such a predictable attack. Perhaps Tom O wouldn’t have his 1st 5 standing so deep. With a surname like O’Meilly I’d guarantee he’d take the 3 on offer....

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    @crucial said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    @kiwimurph said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    @crucial and whose fault is that?

    Ummm? His own?

    So theres a lack of leadership at the club and the coach who has been there for 3 years has no blame for that? Ok sweet.

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    @act-crusader said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    @rancid-schnitzel said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    What would the status be if the coach didn't happen to be AB legend Tana Umaga? Same players, same results but solid if unspectacular coach called, for example, Tom O'Meilly. I think Mr O'Meilly would be in trouble.

    I heart Tana, but this is getting beyond a joke.

    Perhaps Tom O would’ve had a better attacking structure firstly by playing a centre that knows how to distribute and therefore not having such a predictable attack. Perhaps Tom O wouldn’t have his 1st 5 standing so deep. With a surname like O’Meilly I’d guarantee he’d take the 3 on offer....

    Don't stereotype Tommy the Drunk.

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    Actually, posing this question denies any possibility of a positive answer ...

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    @kiwimurph said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    @crucial said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    @kiwimurph said in Is Umaga doing a good job?:

    @crucial and whose fault is that?

    Ummm? His own?

    So theres a lack of leadership at the club and the coach who has been there for 3 years has no blame for that? Ok sweet.

    What you think he's telling all these supporting leaders to not show leadership? I just think they don't have it in them to step up and lead. He may well be telling them he expects them to front up but it just isn't in their nature.
    I'm sure he knows the problem but where is he going to find a bunch of top players which will command respect and lead the team? Who from his top XV is he going to put them in place of?

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