Build A Waterfront Stadium
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@hooroo Only what is in the media but I do have a few immediate thoughts.
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lt's being touted as a free stadium - but its not going to be free. At a minimum I would anticipate that the private investors would want the land gifted to them. That land being Bledisloe Wharf. I guess that this implicitly accepts that the proposal pre 2011 was never going to work as there was insufficient space
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PoA are in the very early stages of examining alternative sites for the port location, but any relocation is decades away. Losing Bledisloe at this stage is not commercially viable
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More commercial realities. Moving the port (probably to Firth of Thames) will cost shit loads. the cost-offset is the development of the existing port to unlock its land value. Plonking a stadium down wastes this land value effectively making the port relocation more expensive.
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A stadium is a poor use of such a prime site. As I have said before - there's a reason renders of stadia are always night shots with stands brilliantly lit up a people spilling out into the surrounding area. The reality is that during the day every one of them is effectively and blank walled citadel 13 stories high with no activity or street level engagement.
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It appears there has been an attempt to mitigate the above by part sinking it into the harbour. LMFAO way to dramatically increase costs. I can't imagine the millions of litres of water that will continually have to be pumped away but when Britomart was going to be 5 levels deep it was an astronomical figure.
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By all means move the port and develop the land - at some point in the future, but IMO such a development should be a combination of public space and residential. This both by the "private investors" and Goff just screams vanity project. We have a history of doing things like this on the cheap. Just what Akl needs a cheap plastic box right on our foreshore that will become effectively an industrial wasteland for 90% of the time. If there is a real desire to move away from EP then a proper site should be identified and developed. The whole perceived need is actually down to a ham=-fisted attempt to rationalise Akl's sporting venues and gather public support through a smoke and mirrors conceptualisation of something that would turn out far different to the pretty pictures Granny Ferald publishes every 6 mths or so
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@kiwimurph said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@taniwharugby it's mentioned in the article
Goff had raised the prospect of a new stadium shortly after coming to office in 2016 and had received a pre-feasibility study from PwC, costing $932,000, recommending a run-off between five possible downtown sites and upgrading Eden Park. He received criticism this year from councillors over his refusal to give them full and open access to the report.$932000 for a report . A quick question for you Jafas , does your rates bill come with a tube of lube?
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@chris-b said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@jegga I'm incredulous.
A guy getting paid $5K a day gets to spend a year on the topic.
And then Goff doesn't think he needs to share it all with his councillors.
Penny Bright was right!!!
She certainly was.
$932000 , ffs no wonder he didn’t want the public to know the details and after all that money being spent nothing came of it. -
@jegga said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
$932000 for a report . A quick question for you Jafas , does your rates bill come with a tube of lube?
Fun facts about paying rates in Auckland
- No lube
- Not even a reach around
- Our mayor has more than 6 spin doctors (well, the last one did)
- Revenue is $4.5B. It feels like most of this comes from my house
despite all of this, I suspect we still have lower rates than Kaipara and Mangawhai. They really managed to stuff up their sewerage system in a big way.
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@jegga I can't envisage what the hell you would put in a pre-feasibility study that could possibly warrant paying that much money. I can't actually picture how you could pad the report out enough to convince Phil to write the cheque.
It seems like about 10-times the maximum amount that should have been contemplated!
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@chris-b said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@nzzp They may have stuffed it up a bit...but, did they commission a cake decorator to build the plant?
We didn't but our CCO AT managed to do this:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11805571 -
@Chris-B hookers and coke don’t pay for themselves you know.
@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@jegga said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
$932000 for a report . A quick question for you Jafas , does your rates bill come with a tube of lube?
Fun facts about paying rates in Auckland
- No lube
- Not even a reach around
- Our mayor has more than 6 spin doctors (well, the last one did)
- Revenue is $4.5B. It feels like most of this comes from my house
despite all of this, I suspect we still have lower rates than Kaipara and Mangawhai. They really managed to stuff up their sewerage system in a big way.
You must be oh so stoked about this then , if this pile of shit can double in price I’d imagine every dodgy contractor in NZ draws wood at the thought of Auckland ratepayers paying for a stadium.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11790137
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@jegga said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@Chris-B hookers and coke don’t pay for themselves you know.
@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
The margins on development are tiny. I know some developers with money, who can't make projects stack up. Land cost, + council cost +build cost escalation just leaves nothign in it for them. And these guys know what they are doing. It's pretty farking scary when you consider how many houses we need in auckland for the 70,000 new people each year.
Still, easier to talk about a waterfront stadium eh
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Building a port in the firth of Thames would be insane.
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@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@jegga said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@Chris-B hookers and coke don’t pay for themselves you know.
@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
The margins on development are tiny. I know some developers with money, who can't make projects stack up. Land cost, + council cost +build cost escalation just leaves nothign in it for them. And these guys know what they are doing. It's pretty farking scary when you consider how many houses we need in auckland for the 70,000 new people each year.
Still, easier to talk about a waterfront stadium eh
The margins are only tight if you play by the rules , draw out as much coin as you can until you have to declare bankruptcy , leave the subbies carrying the rest of the debt and start up under a new name and you’re sorted .
If a report can cost almost $1000000 a stadium is going to make Auckland ratepayers feel like Annabelle Chong. -
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@jegga said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@jegga said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@Chris-B hookers and coke don’t pay for themselves you know.
@nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
The margins on development are tiny. I know some developers with money, who can't make projects stack up. Land cost, + council cost +build cost escalation just leaves nothign in it for them. And these guys know what they are doing. It's pretty farking scary when you consider how many houses we need in auckland for the 70,000 new people each year.
Still, easier to talk about a waterfront stadium eh
If a report can cost almost $1000000 a stadium is going to make Auckland ratepayers feel like Annabelle Chong.
Or Bevan Chuang even!
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
Building a port in the firth of Thames would be insane.
Mt Maunganui?
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@booboo said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:
Building a port in the firth of Thames would be insane.
Mt Maunganui?
You would basically have the 2 biggest ports in the country right beside each other. Who exactly would pay for the HUGE cost of building a port out of basically nothing. Because the Port of Tauranga would slaughter them and make it a terrible investment.
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Personally I have no issues with a working port in the CBD, but I know many do.
Of the many sites that have been examined the Firth of Thames actually makes the most sense.
Caveat the other contenders were the Manukau, Kaipara, Marsden Point and Mahurangi.
Shipping Lines like it because it is actually easier access for them and much easier than crossing a west coast bar.
The idea is to have a rail link to the existing Wiri container terminal (about 25kms from memory). It is a deeper access than all the other options (including current) except Marsden Point which is one environmental point in its favour but any development will run up against green and iwi concerns I'm sure.
The cost will be many billions but there is the current port land as an off-set.
In any scenario Akl retains its cruise ship terminals
