Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne
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@act-crusader said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
@nta said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
@rembrandt said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
Perp confirmed dead. How does the dailymail get info so quick?
Usually they wait for some other outlet to write the article, then plagiarise it.
So this IS a mystery.
Herald Sun reported it a while ago.
There's your source, then
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People that are mentally unstable are more susceptible to acting out the fundamental teachings of Islam, which is why it's usually pretty easy to dig up stuff from these attackers past and then write it off as a nutcase that has nothing to do with Islam.
Which of course ignores the ideology behind the attack, the leaders of ISIS targeting people like this to do their dirty work, and the hate preachers from places like Saudi Arabia that often speak at Mosques encouraging people to follow their Wahabbi version of Islam and the salafi movement that calls for the killing of infidels, or non-believers.
Islam has a serious problem with extremists, there is a sizeable minority of Muslims around the world that follow these fundamental teachings, but hey we'd better not call that out and be critical lest we be branded a bigot or a racist.
It's difficult to have a meaningful discussion on this as you generally get caught between people claiming it has nothing to do with Islam (wrong) and people attacking all Muslims (wrong).
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@booboo similarly, the authorities involved aren't mincing words:
The Victorian premier, Daniel Andrews, has told a press conference he’s confident the police have the powers they need to keep Melbourne safe following Friday’s Bourke Street attack.
Asked about bollards or other infrastructure changes in the city, Andrews said he was not aware of additional things that could be done but would keep an open mind.
“I want to point out that what we saw yesterday was an act of terror,” he said, describing it as “pure evil”.
Andrews said he had congratulated Scott Morrison for his comments earlier today condemning “radical, violent extremist Islam that opposes our very way of life”.Also in that link
- Police are treating the attack as a terrorist incident. Shire Ali was known to counter-terrorism authorities at state and national level.
- Shire Ali’s passport had been cancelled in 2015 when Asio assessed he had intentions to travel to Syria to fight with Islamic State extremists.
- Police have spoken with Shire Ali’s wife.
- Authorities were not actively monitoring him before the incident.
- Joint counter-terrorism investigators were raiding two addresses in Werribee and Meadows Heights on Saturday morning.
- Shire Ali had a history of minor drug, theft and driving offences. He had migrated from Somalia to Australia in the 1990s, police said.
- Shire Ali drove a 4x4 laden with gas cylinders. Witnesses said the man drove the vehicle outside the Target centre about 4.20pm. As the car went up in flames, he attempted to stab people and fought with police and bystanders.
- The police officer who shot the man in the chest, had been out of the police academy for three months.
- Islamic State has claimed the attack, and police say Shire Ali had links to Isis
- The police presence in the city and at major events such as the Flemington races and remembrance day services has been stepped up.
I feel a bit sorry for the poor bastard who pulled the trigger - 3 months out of the academy, done everything that you could to talk the clown out of it, then have to pull the trigger anyway.
I'd disagree with anyone saying "what about a tazer in these cases?". In fact, I reckon for knife attacks, police should have Claymores.
"That's not a knife, mate"
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Out of interest I attended the vigil organised by the ALA tonight. About 200 in attendence, surprised at just how many 'non-whites'were in attendence, maybe 35%. The irony having a dozen exclusively white protesters across the road calling us all racists. Outside of the university contingent it seems to have bought people together from different backgrounds. ALA is Australia's anti-Islam party, a case could definitely be made that they're exploiting a tragedy but then again this is exactly what they have been warning about for years. Their key points were if you don't believe Islam is the cause of this just read the Qu'ran and that there is no such thing as moderate Islam Agree with the first point not so much the second.
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@rembrandt said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
Out of interest I attended the vigil organised by the ALA tonight. About 200 in attendence, surprised at just how many 'non-whites'were in attendence, maybe 35%. The irony having a dozen exclusively white protesters across the road calling us all racists. Outside of the university contingent it seems to have bought people together from different backgrounds. ALA is Australia's anti-Islam party, a case could definitely be made that they're exploiting a tragedy but then again this is exactly what they have been warning about for years. Their key points were if you don't believe Islam is the cause of this just read the Qu'ran and that there is no such thing as moderate Islam Agree with the first point not so much the second.
Sorry: ALA?
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@nta I know what you mean about feeling a bit sorry for the new cop but I'd turn it around and not let good intentioned people let him feel trauma or even victimhood ( I know you weren't doing that).
Rather reinforce the truth, he acted heroically and precisely. He's free from any criticism and while ending a human life is tough on the psyche, he should view this incident, forever, as a time he stood up for and protected society. He should look back with absolute pride.But modern day softcocks will doubtlessly fill him with victimhood mentality veiled as "counselling and support "
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@siam I agree with you about what that officer should be proud of. He did his job in a tough situation.
People react differently to ending life, human or otherwise. Whatever sort of support he needs, he'll get it - that may mean convincing the shrinks that he's not going through anything at all. That can be the toughest part - some people are just wired that way and will move past it quickly.
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@nta said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
@booboo @Rembrandt I assume Australian Liberty Alliance?
Yep that's the one, an offshoot of the Q Society
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All you need to know about the Melbourne murder is right here link text.
Forget the dirty, rotten primitive migrant African and his mongrel family - all "lone wolves" evidently - ignore the timid, typically hesitant, politically marketable reaction from the stupid, stupid amateur Victorian police* and the platitudes pouring forth from Prime Minister Morrison (who, in a bizarre twist, focused on a muslim family he has visited who "tragically" lost 4 sons fighting for ISIS!!!) and Premier Andrews - just have a long hard look at the exceptional life sacrificed by these appalling people so that they may continue with their disgraceful failures.
I was generally aware something had happened in Melbourne and ignored it, on the basis that it sounded as if we were still on track with the surrender of the West. At my wife’s urging, after she saw and recognised a photo of the victim on 7 News, I have done a little research and discovered he was Sisto Malaspina, one of the joint owners of the iconic Pellegrini’s Café in Bourke Street.
I assume there are some here who do business in Melbourne CBD and who have had a coffee at Pellegrini's and enjoyed the gentle peace during the day and the busy noise and laughter in the evenings until late. The owners are happy, chatty, charismatic old Italians who can rabbit on about soccer, politics, some recent personal event, AFL or why one should try the pastry on offer with cream and ice cream, matched with this coffee or that. Their manner with customers is as if they were merely continuing a chat with a neighbour from just yesterday - grinning all the while, laughing at their own jokes. Have a look at the photo of this good, good man and you will understand immediately.
They’ve been at it since the mid ’70s and it hasn’t much changed since I was introduced to it 40 years ago – long and narrow with bits and pieces of memorabilia on the wall over the bar. I have been in and out of Melbourne from my Sydney and Gold Coast bases for the whole of my business life, eating and sleeping at the Paris end of Collins Street, mostly at the splendid Regent Hotel, Collins Place.
Chinatown, Pellegrini and the fine Florentinos restaurant just alongside became favourite places to dine and enjoy while away. The area has a style about it reminiscent of mid town New York and restaurants here offer service at the same exceptional level.
Ironically Sisto Malaspina and his mate Nino are outstanding examples of successful migration, a couple of Italians who landed here with nought, who got on with the job right from the jump and who haven’t stopped working in 45 years since. These fellas offered happiness, joy, vibrancy, sparkle and an an unswerving amusement at life itself to a wide community of those who work and live in that part of the CBD.
He should not have died like this and, in a rare mood for me, I find it heartbreaking, simply heartbreaking. The Australian way I knew is being systematically, deliberately destroyed.
The black Africans should not be anywhere near Australia, they are incompatible by any measure. The mob from countries in that region have been running rampant in street crime, burglaries and robberies for years now in Melbourne and no-one does anything about it because it is not happening. The police and their union have been enthusiastically complicit in the suppression of crime statistics. "Courageous cops" I see further up this thread - pigs they are!
The politicians ignore any criticism directed at them.They create community leadership groups of elders, to curry favour with the elders who do precisely nothing as tribal elders; to create a vehicle to channel free money to them; and they write up grand statements of objectives ... for people who are illiterate ... and promise to not send police patrols into their area, or into the profitable surrounding suburbs, except at 10:00 to 11:15 on Tuesdays and midday to 14:00 on Thursdays.
These dishonourable, deceitful ponces will be lining up all next week to cuddle up to the black Africans because "Police say his family is well known and respected within the Somali community in Melbourne" and there is a State election in Victoria later this month. You can bet your life that the complicit media will voluntarily not photograph them attending Abdul's funeral.
Sisto Malaspina is dead. Big deal.
*they have form in such things - Google "Gargasoulas" to read all about the last palooka to drive along the Bourke Street, Melbourne footpath in January 2017, knocking down 33 pedestrians, hospitalising 27 and killing three-month-old Zachary Matthew-Bryant, Tahlia Hakin, 10, Yosuke Kanno, 25, Jessica Mudie, 23, and 33-year-olds Matthew Si and Bhavita Patel. Oh, and he stabbed his brother several times too, before leaving home to be followed about by the police for 12 hours. Yes, they followed him for 12 hours and it wasn't until his car conked out, choking on the dead flesh, broken bones, blood, coffee tables, umbrellas and chairs, that they felt justified in moving in and taking action ... with mops and buckets to clean up their mess.
In their considered opinion the lives of Zachary, Tahlia, Yosuke, Jessica, Matthew and Bhavita were a fair price to pay for their own self protection. For 12 hours of that day those innocents had an invisible big black cross hovering over them that they knew nothing about, but the police did. James Gargasoulas is alive today, together with the dozens of police who, at the end, in reality stood as spectators watching and taking notes as James drove donuts and baited them outside Flinders Street Station for 15 minutes before allowing him to mount the kerb in Bourke Street to first kill a three month old ("Witnesses saw Gargasoulas appear to drive deliberately at people without hesitation and went out of his way to hit a pram containing a baby and toddler").
He is being tried in the Supreme Court right now - the judge and police analysts and social workers and various enablers will be listening earnestly, compassionately, non-judgmentally to all the reasons why he is not guilty during next week when sweet, innocent James the real victim gives evidence. They already know a lot about him 'cos he was on a "watch list" too, just like Abdul the Dead from Friday evening. That means they have his name written down on a writing pad somewhere in Records Section.
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Pelligrini’s is a regular meeting place for me on Bourke Street. Sad news about Sisto.
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Avi's discovered the Islam recruitment station next to where Sisto was hacked to death. I don't like Avi's tactics but its amazing to see these Muslim blokes referencing 'The Age' and 'Huffington Post' as their proof that these attacks weren't related to islam.
7 attacks (carried out and foiled) in 2 years but yeah "Refugees Welcome", "Diversity is our strength", "Religion of peace" etc etc until next time.. -
@act-crusader said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
@jegga Trolley Man’s criminal record has caught up with him and police have charged him with a string of burglaries and other offences. The positive thing is that he does want to turn his life around.
Homeless people normally have a few issues with police and mental health issues or substance abuse so it’s not exactly surprising unfortunately. I hope they have something in place for the money they raised for him
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@Rembrandt nothing wrong with the PMs comments at all, was careful to specify the issue was not with all Muslims but with Islamic Extremism. Those people saying it was irresponsible are bare faced liars doing everything they can to shift focus away from the fundamentals that have taken root within their community.
Also, comparing terrorism to domestic violence is just about the stupidest thing I've heard.