Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?
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@Machpants said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
I think we all thought that, but I reckon they'll still bring one in for RC - so in case of emergency and a replacement RWC #10 is required then at least he is not coming in totally cold - even with minimal game time in RC he'll have squad time/training time/learning the books time. And they'll train as much as they can in NZ with the team before the team goes
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Agreed, for me it is a four part question:
- who is next in line if BB or RM are injured out?
- if he is outside the current squad, will they bring that guy in for the RC?
- will that guy even make the RWC squad?
- if they don’t take them to the RWC, who is covering there in the minnow games/knockout if the others will recover in time for the potential final?
My guess is Banks, Yes, No, Jordie for his goal kicking (TJP is too important at 9 to be fucking around at 10)
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If replacement is from of the franchises outside of the Hurricanes I suspect they will tip their hand at the June 3 South Island foundation day.
Also suspect if Cruden is coming back the financial play would be to head to Japan immediately after the RWC, which could be adding to any delay.
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All those going yeah for cruden. Have you seen him play recently?
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@Billy-Tell said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
All those going yeah for cruden. Have you seen him play recently?
I haven't - heard he has been shit but.
I don't think the argument for Cruden is on form though - it's that he solves the issue of having to blood someone at international level in a year when there are not enough tests to adequately prepare two first-fives let alone three.
They also still need to resolve the first string centre combo, which would be made more difficult trying to jam a debutant ten in at every opportunity.
I'm also fine with taking two 10s, although Cruden would be handy to have in the pocket at Mitre 10 Cup if possible.
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Forget Cruden. It won't happen.
Super Rugby 2019: Aaron Cruden not part of Chiefs recovery plan
All Blacks legend John Kirwan suggested NZ Rugby should swoop quickly to secure Cruden's services for the rest of the Super Rugby season and the World Cup campaign, but Cooper denies that's an option for the struggling Chiefs. "I don't see that as a foreseeable option," says Cooper. "He's contracted, so we'll look at what we've got among our own group in our region and around the country." The Chiefs' shortage of first-five/fullback cover was further exacerbated over the weekend, when they lost Jack Debreczeni to concussion during their loss to the Lions. Cooper admits that will change his approach to the dual-playmaker role. "[Debreczeni] is not here," says Cooper. "He's still poorly, so once he's stopped having his headaches, he'll go through his protocols. -
@rotated will they though? Hansen mentioned that they were only inviting players that were selected last year as to not interupt Super Rugby team selections.
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@Canes4life said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@rotated will they though? Hansen mentioned that they were only inviting players to the foundation days that were selected last year as to not interupt Super Rugby team selections.
That's the difference. They also said that other players could still make the squad.
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@Stargazer said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@sparky I don't think anyone will have any doubt Mo'unga will re-sign. Our 10-shortage increases his market value though. He's in a good negotiating position.
BB is probably already on top money (in NZ terms), but he's almost 28, so I can see him leave. All NZR can offer him is sabbaticals and out-clauses, so he can do some overseas' stints if he decides to stay. I can't see him re-sign for longer than 2 years tbh.
If I were NZR, I'd do some better scouting (in NZ). Ensure that all young, good & promising first five-eighths playing M10Cup have SR (development) contracts for the next few years, so that there's an adequate pathway for their development. Everyone who's read the Hurricanes thread, knows that that's not the case at the moment. Try converting current young fullbacks, halfbacks or second fives into 10s, at least up to "emergency standard" etc etc. I don't know what NZR are doing at the moment to increase depth, but I have the feeling they could do more.
And here he is - till 2022!
Very important signing!
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@Chris-B said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
And here he is - till 2022!
Weird year for the contract to end - but bloody good.
It has to be said the Crusaders have never really lost a major free agent signing - the NZRU have always come in with a big contract or sabbatical clause to make it happen.
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@rotated not really, gives him huge power to re-negotiate if he is a crucial figure leading into the 2023 RWC
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@taniwharugby said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@rotated not really, gives him huge power to re-negotiate if he is a crucial figure leading into the 2023 RWC
Weird for the NZRU to agree for the contract to end that year.
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Would be interesting to know where he sits in terms of cash offered on this contract.
In my view, the only people I might offer more are Retallick and Beauden (who checking their ages I see were born four days apart in a good week for NZ rugby back in 1991).
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According to Dave Rennie, Aaron Cruden is not going to Glasgow.
If Glasgow Warriors supporters had started dreaming about what life might be like with the former All Black Aaron Cruden running the show at Scotstoun in the coming years, then now is the time to wake up.
Cruden, a protege and friend of Glasgow coach Dave Rennie and the subject of all sorts of chat linking him with a move from Montpellier to Scotland, will not be playing his rugby for the Warriors next season. "He's not coming," said Rennie.
"There was a lot of speculation around Aaron and has been for a long period of time. I'm constantly talking to him. I know him well and we're pretty close. I'd love him to join us. I think he'd be great around educating our young 10s, Adam [Hastings] and Brandon [Thomson], but he's not coming."
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@Stargazer said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@rotated I think they'd have agreed to almost any contract duration up to 2023. It's not like we're stacked with test quality first fives ...
But you never actually know what is around the corner.
Yes there are guys that make Age grade rep teams, but who actually kicks on and then gets picked is still unknown.
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Cruden has a year left on his Montpellier contract and they aren't releasing him apparently.
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Hayden Parker not available until 2021 either:
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Josh Ioane for sure, way ahead of Cameron. I think he is 23 now so next five or six years likely to be his optimum years so give him some exposure now. Seems to be growing into his role nicely for the Highlanders, step up in game pressure against Canada or Namibia would be ideal start for him
