2019 Rugby World Cup
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@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.
These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.
England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.
I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.
I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.
Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.
so, a change in plans then?
You ask like that aspect was ever debated by anyone.
I'm really lost as to what your argument with my post was then?
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@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What a complete shambles this has become.
It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools
Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.
Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.
I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though
Its a shit situation that had a good likelihood of occurring. Yet the organizers seemed to be totally unprepared for.
Totally agree, this wasn’t some freak occurrence that no one saw coming. It was entirely predictable.
The fact they chose to have a contingency plan of “lets have no plan and just cancel” is an absolute joke for a tournament like this.The lack of accommodation excuse is a cop out. This isn’t invercargil. How many millions of people live in these cities? You can’t find 100 hotel rooms?
The fact that the day after the event is likely to be completely fine also lends itself to reserve days being a perfect solution too. The Cricket world cup had them. Why can’t the rugby? If fans miss out because they had booked travel then tough shit. At least the tournament is actually carried on.
Again it’s not the fact that these games won’t be played during 200km/hr winds. It’s the fact they came up with precisely zero plan to deal with a totally predictable issue.
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@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What a complete shambles this has become.
It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools
Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.
Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.
I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though
Agree.
The cancellations have just happened top occur on this final weekend. But if it had been on Wednesday (and reserve days were 'mandatory' or expected), and Scotland had been forced to have their game postponed by 1 day, then their 3 day turnaround turns into a 2 day turnaround.Or if France's game v USA was delayed by 1 day and they pay Tonga after a 2 day turnaround.
etc etc etc
If they expand the world cup and get rid of the uneven pool numbers, then they can introduce reserve days into their next world cup schedule. As every one will have even turnarounds.
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@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What a complete shambles this has become.
It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools
Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.
Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.
I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though
Its a shit situation that had a good likelihood of occurring. Yet the organizers seemed to be totally unprepared for.
Much like our current measles outbreak
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@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What a complete shambles this has become.
It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools
Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.
Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.
I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though
Its a shit situation that had a good likelihood of occurring. Yet the organizers seemed to be totally unprepared for.
Totally agree, this wasn’t some freak occurrence that no one saw coming. It was entirely predictable.
The fact they chose to have a contingency plan of “lets have no plan and just cancel” is an absolute joke for a tournament like this.The lack of accommodation excuse is a cop out. This isn’t invercargil. How many millions of people live in these cities? You can’t find 100 hotel rooms?
The fact that the day after the event is likely to be completely fine also lends itself to reserve days being a perfect solution too. The Cricket world cup had them. Why can’t the rugby? If fans miss out because they had booked travel then tough shit. At least the tournament is actually carried on.
Again it’s not the fact that these games won’t be played during 200km/hr winds. It’s the fact they came up with precisely zero plan to deal with a totally predictable issue.
They will have reserve days for the knockout stages, they don't for the pool stages.
This is in fact exactly the same as the Cricket WC.
Because the knockout stages are even numbers and all have week long (6 or 7 days) turnarounds. The pool stages don't.
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@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.
These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.
England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.
I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.
I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.
Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.
so, a change in plans then?
You ask like that aspect was ever debated by anyone.
I'm really lost as to what your argument with my post was then?
Perhaps your problem is you see a response as an argument.
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@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.
These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.
England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.
I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.
I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.
Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.
so, a change in plans then?
You ask like that aspect was ever debated by anyone.
I'm really lost as to what your argument with my post was then?
Perhaps your problem is you see a response as an argument.
oi oi oi, nah, don't you paint me with that brush.
I said i was interested in how this affected planning behind closed doors. You said we weren't going to get anything out of it anyway. That's a disagreement no?
lawyers... honestly
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@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.
These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.
England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.
I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.
I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.
Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.
so, a change in plans then?
You ask like that aspect was ever debated by anyone.
I'm really lost as to what your argument with my post was then?
Perhaps your problem is you see a response as an argument.
oi oi oi, nah, don't you paint me with that brush.
I said i was interested in how this affected planning behind closed doors. You said we weren't going to get anything out of it anyway. That's a disagreement no?
No, it's not. I said the game wasn't going to give us anything of benefit and if they wanted to change things on account of not getting a game, they could change the captains run for example to get more of an opposed session. an example of the planning that might happen 'behind closed doors'.
Funnily enough, that seems to be what Shag was saying anyway.
lawyers... honestly
Not a lawyer. Just studied law.
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@antipodean so, you're not interested?
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@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean so, you're not interested?
I already knew. Hence my post.
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@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean so, you're not interested?
I already knew. Hence my post.
you do not you liar!! you guessed. I'm interested in actuals. And not what Steve says at a press conference, what he actually thinks.
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I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.
Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.That scenario isn’t out of the realms of possibly. Not like, you know, a typhoon during typhoon season. That would never happen.
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@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.
Yep. The guys playing with themselves (so to speak) may actually be better.
Only going to add ammunition to the “ABs are a bunch of wànkers” brigade though
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@pukunui I'd say that your multiple scenario's are way out into Fantasy Land.
For a start you have Italy beating the Boks who have beaten us - OK both those have happened before - perfect storm etc but then us beating the team that beat the team that beat us is a bankable BP win? Bit of a failure of logic there
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@dogmeat said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@pukunui I'd say that your multiple scenario's are way out into Fantasy Land.
For a start you have Italy beating the Boks who have beaten us - OK both those have happened before - perfect storm etc but then us beating the team that beat the team that beat us is a bankable BP win? Bit of a failure of logic there
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@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
I wonder if people would be as ok with this situation if it was the ABs being knocked out because they didn’t get to play the last game.
Eg. We lose the first game against boks by 8.
Italy then beats Boks. Assuming everyone picks up BP wins over Canada and Namibia. Then what should have been a pretty bankable BP win against Italy to get into the Quarters is declared a draw instead.
Bye bye Two time defending champs.
This place would go into meltdown.That scenario isn’t out of the rhelms of possibly.
The same Italy that hasn't won a single 6N game since the last RWC?
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@pukunui some big old sliding fantasy world doors there...in this world, we lose to the Boks and then they lose to Italy?
Then, our cancelled game v Italy is somehow bankable despite us losing to Boks and them losing to Italy?
Yea I'd be pissed if it happened to us, but by the same token what else do you do?
WR have made the call (imo 24 hours too early - what is the 'phoon looking like now?) and unfortunately it is what it is.
I am surprised the French aren't making more of it, their game was the most pivotal of the 2 canned.
