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<p>No conflict here. Never mentioned in Dem debates either.</p>
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<p>She did however tell Bernie Sanders she is proud to take all of Wall Street's money <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/opinion/hillary-clinton-botches-wall-street-questions.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0'>'cos... 9/11</a>.</p> -
<p>RT, I'm assuming that donating to the Clinton Foundation is not the same as donating to Hillary's election campaign?</p>
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<p>RT, I'm assuming that donating to the Clinton Foundation is not the same as donating to Hillary's election campaign?</p>
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<p>See:</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:18px;"><strong><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html'>Double Dealing</a></strong></span></p>
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<div><span style="font-size:24px;">America's Allies Are Funding ISIS</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.</span></div>
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<div>This is why the official report on the 9/11 attack on WTC gets a 28-page redaction -- because we wouldn't want to finger-point or offend the people who finance these terrorist operations, because these financiers are our "dear friends" and contribute campaign cash to the election.</div> -
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<p><span style="font-size:18px;"><strong><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html'>Double Dealing</a></strong></span></p>
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<div>This is why the official report on the 9/11 attack on WTC gets a 28-page redaction -- because we wouldn't want to finger-point or offend the people who finance these terrorist operations, because these financiers are our "dear friends" and <strong>contribute campaign cash to the election</strong>.</div>
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<p>The bolded bit is the thing. Surely the foundation is a quasi charitable enterprise and not financially linked to Hillary's campaign?</p>
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<p>None of the other stuff surprises me really. The idea of normal relationships in the ME went out of the window decades ago, if it ever existed. Far too many vested interests and it's amazing that someone (or some country) that is mutually aligned with our (or the US, or Europe, or Russia) interests latterly becomes part of a much wider problem. Fuck knows what the answer is - and that's the thing really, the whole region is pretty fucked up by our standards and then we come along and fuck it up a bit more every few years.</p> -
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<p>West needs to get serious about the Saudis, for a start. They are barbaric backstabbers. Yet the West treats them like Super-Friends.</p> -
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<p>The ME really is just a bunch of internecine conflicts that the west have been drawn into and now have a history of meddling in.</p>
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<p>WW2 the Nazis were a serious threat with a massive war machine. Conscription got farm boys from NZ, Oz, Canada, later USA and trained them in six months to be mobilized for combat -- and they won. You'd think an army of Iraqi and Afghani conscripts would learn to clean-out and defend their own neighbourhoods after more than a decade of training. But, umm, nope. Keep throwing more good money after bad, maybe in a century they'll learn how to stand their ground and fight for themselves. </p> -
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<p>The bolded bit is the thing. Surely the foundation is a quasi charitable enterprise and not financially linked to Hillary's campaign?</p>
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<p>Regardless of what the money is doing, there's clearly a back-scratching exercise going on.</p>
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<p>She receives money from barbaric regimes, then in an official capacity makes arms deals with these very same barbaric regimes.</p>
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<p>Conflict...?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"> <strong><span style="font-size:24px;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman', times, serif;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nationalmemo.com/jeb-bush-accuses-obama-of-getting-us-into-a-quagmire-in-middle-east/'>Jeb Bush Accuses Obama Of ‘Getting Us Into A Quagmire’ In Middle East</a></span></span></strong>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'Ideal Sans SSm A', 'Ideal Sans SSm B';">“What I would do ... </span><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'Ideal Sans SSm A', 'Ideal Sans SSm B';">to defeat ISIS, and to defeat Assad, to bring stability because it’s in our national security interests to do it,†Bush said Monday morning on </span><em>Fox & Friends</em><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'Ideal Sans SSm A', 'Ideal Sans SSm B';">. “That requires a no-fly zone, safe zones. It requires arming directly the Kurdish forces in Iraq. It means reengaging with the Sunni tribal leaders that were successful in fighting with us, side-by-side, with the surge.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);">Clever man. He can defeat both ISIS and Assad. But he'll probably need Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld in his Oval Office to pull his ingenious plan together. Good luck with that, Jeb.</span></span></span></p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="red terror" data-cid="542668" data-time="1447771417"><p>WW2 the Nazis were a serious threat with a massive war machine. Conscription got farm boys from NZ, Oz, Canada, later USA and trained them in six months to be mobilized for combat -- and they won. You'd think an army of Iraqi and Afghani conscripts would learn to clean-out and defend their own neighbourhoods after more than a decade of training. But, umm, nope. Keep throwing more good money after bad, maybe in a century they'll learn how to stand their ground and fight for themselves.</p></blockquote>
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Bizarre post. Big difference between urban guerrilla conflict and ww2. Especially when yr conscripts include supporters of the people ur trying to eradicate <br><br>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary'><span style="font-size:24px;"><span style="font-family:georgia, serif;">The blindingly obvious political attack that every 2016 candidate should use against Hillary</span></span></a></p>
'>NOT The Onion</a> (August, 2011)</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary'>http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary</a></span></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/world/africa/29diplo.html?_r=0'>NOT The Onion</a> (August, 2011)</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theonion.com/article/america-gets-set-to-enjoy-month-or-so-of-libya-see-21228'>The (ACTUAL) Onion</a> (August 2011)</p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;font-size:16.002px;">GRAND RAPIDS, MI—Americans across the nation told reporters Wednesday that with the collapse of Muammar Qaddafi’s despotic regime, they were preparing to savor the next month or so of Libya seeming like an inspirational symbol of freedom. “We’ve got a nice four weeks of thinking Libya represents a triumph of liberty before the situation begins to deteriorate and some new form of authoritarianism inevitably asserts itself,†said Michigan-based architect Wes Reinhorn, adding that while he was looking forward to the nation potentially <strong>serving as a model for other Arab countries</strong>, he would eventually realize the situation in the region was very complex, and any hope he had of Libya transforming things for the better would presumably fade away by October. “We should all enjoy this stirring image of Libya as a beacon of democracy before Islamists or a new military strongman moves in to fill the power vacuum.†<strong>Other Americans, however, said that after a month of looking to Libya as a symbol of freedom, they planned to simply stop paying attention to the nation altogether.</strong></span></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theonion.com/article/america-gets-set-to-enjoy-month-or-so-of-libya-see-21228'>http://www.theonion.com/article/america-gets-set-to-enjoy-month-or-so-of-libya-see-21228</a></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/world/middleeast/isis-grip-on-libyan-city-gives-it-a-fallback-option.html'>NOT The Onion</a> (November, 2014)</p>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">MISURATA, Libya — Iraqi commanders have been arriving from Syria, and <strong>the first public beheadings have started</strong>. The local radio stations no longer play music but instead extol the greatness of the Islamic State’s self-proclaimed caliph, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">When the Libyan arm of the Islamic State first raised the group’s black flag over the coastal city of Surt almost one year ago, it was just a bunch of local militants trying to look tough.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Today Surt is an <strong>actively managed colony of the central Islamic State, crowded with foreign fighters from around the region, according to residents, local militia leaders and hostages recently released from the city’s main prison. </strong>[...]</span></div>
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<div><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/world/middleeast/isis-grip-on-libyan-city-gives-it-a-fallback-option.html'>http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/world/middleeast/isis-grip-on-libyan-city-gives-it-a-fallback-option.html</a></div>
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<p>Bizarre post. Big difference between urban guerrilla conflict and ww2. Especially when yr conscripts include supporters of the people ur trying to eradicate<br><br>
Factor in a lack of political will and you get a monumental cluster fuck.</p>
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<p>Probably would be easier if the "bad guys" all wore a distinctive uniform to tell them apart from the rest. Then the great powers like the USA would have to do something about getting rid of them...</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="reprobate" data-cid="545671" data-time="1449006663"><p>hillary is such a fluffybunny. that 9-11 answer to wall street funding was just magic.</p></blockquote>
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She sure is , as far as election bribes go this one is awesome.<br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/30/hillary-clinton-floats-275b-infrastructure-plan/?page=all">http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/30/hillary-clinton-floats-275b-infrastructure-plan/?page=all</a> -
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<p>the majority of politicians reek of being prepared to say and do just about anything to get and/or maintain power, but <em><strong>she out-stinks just about all of them i reckon.</strong></em></p>
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<p>I would suggest you take a look at Carly Fiorina & her comments on planned parenthood to win votes.</p>
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<p>Hillary, like Romney, Jeb, Obama, Rubio, any mainstream candidate, will lie through her teeth to get funding, and take funding from anyone. Because American politics is all about funding. But she (like the others) has limits over the levers she will pull to get headlines. The likes of Cruz, Jesse Jackson, Fiorina, Trump etc do not have those limits.</p>
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<p>Theres a LOT out there worse than Hillary. Hell Dick Cheney worked at Halliburton. Became VP. Left Haliburton - with a Haliburton pension & <em><strong>stock options.</strong></em> Handed Iraq to Halliburton on cost plus deals. Donated his Haliburton option profits, to his own foundation. Tony Blair has made millions advising anyone who will pay - including the Saudis.</p>
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<p>Bill is financially shadier than Hillary, but he's just so damn likeable.</p>
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<p>But I'll take financial shadiness over lying about aborted fetuses being cut up alive & defending terrorism, or deporting 5 year olds anytime. Money is predictable & rational, idiology scares me. </p> -
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary'><span style="font-size:24px;"><span style="font-family:georgia, serif;">The blindingly obvious political attack that every 2016 candidate should use against Hillary</span></span></a></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary'>http://theweek.com/articles/591387/blindingly-obvious-political-attack-that-every-2016-candidate-should-use-against-hillary</a></span></p>
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<p>At the start of the election for the new labour leader Corbyn was added to the ballot as a sort of token option . It was assumed he wouldn't win but he came in on a landslide .<br>
I wouldn't count out Hillary, she has the democratic nomination sewn up doesn't she?</p>
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<p>Yep, no chance of her not getting the Dem nomination. Tho' I thought she'd beat Obama, run for 2 terms with him as VP & he'd now be running. God that would have been a slam dunk....</p>
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<p>Presidential I still think Rubio has a very good shot, but he is having to wade so deep in crazy at the moment that he will have said something very unhelpful at some stage. Thats the issue wiith the Republicans, because 8/12th of the card is batshit crazy its incredibly hard to stay on the card & at not, at some stage be forced to agree that yes, all Mexicans are rapists, or corporations are people too, or women are too simple to decide shit like contraceptiuon. Then wham, its election time & you have to go "well... thats not what I meant!"</p>
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<p>The Republicans probably have the best candidates, but are hamstrung by an awful process they have set up. </p>
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