2020 All Blacks Squad
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@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
No they didn't, they tried an approach that screamed we don't trust you. He should have been tried in one of the tier2 games, like everybody else, so he could prove himself.
How they managed him singled him out from everybody else, and with the mismanagement from the Blues overdoing his workload, we ended up where we are now.
It amuses me how he gets stuck with the lazy tag when coach after coach plays him in every single game, for the full 80, and for the Blues he's the last line of defence on our goal line, often getting try saving turnovers deep into game (he gets a lot of practice at the Blues for that). He puts in a huge workload, often to the detriment to his chances at higher honors.
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@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
One of the interview questions for the prospective All Black coaches should be "How are you going to help develop Akira Ioane into the world-class player we all know he could be?"
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@Cyclops said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@cgrant said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Potential NZ "B" squad for 2020 (uncapped players only ?) :
Props : Ross, O'Neill, Fidow, Tuilamo (he was injured this year but his size could guarantee a seat there)
Hookers : Taukeiaho, Makalio
Locks : IWL, Franklin, Scrafton, Whetton
Loose forwards : Robinson, Sotutu, Gibson, Douglas, Havili, TBN
Scrumhalves : Fakatava, Judd (leaving ?)
1st Fives : Perofeta, Trask, McClutchie
2nd Fives : Nankivell, Faiane, Walden
Centres : Tupaea, Thompson
Wings : Alaimalo, L. Fainganuuku, Rayasi, Lam (Nareki and Clarke with the 7s)
Full backs : ?????????? (Stevenson, Narawa, McKay, Trainor : no great option there)Will Jordan for fullback (or wing). Bryn Hall at halfback. Ethan Blackadder in the loose forwards.
Thanks ! I forgot Hall and Blackadder. Will Jordan should be in the AB squad.
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@sparky said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
One of the interview questions for the prospective All Black coaches should be "How are you going to help develop Akira Ioane into the world-class player we all know he could be?"
Nope.
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@sparky said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
One of the interview questions for the prospective All Black coaches should be "How are you going to help develop Akira Ioane into the world-class player we all know he could be?"
How about asking Akira that question himself?
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Possible All Blacks 23 for 2020:
- Joe Moody (Superb this year)
- Liam Coltman (Needs to improve throw, but better all round game than Codie Taylor now)
- Nepo Laulala (Excellent this year)
- Pari Pari Parkinson (Raw Talent) or Sam Whitelock (once rested)
- Scott Barrett ( Best NZ Lock at RWC
- Luke Jacobson (So much potential)
- Sam Cane (First name on the team sheet)
- Ardie Savea ( Best AB in 2018 and 2019) or Akira Ioane (if he can deliver on his potential)
- Aaron Smith (Best pass in the game)
- Beauden Barrett (Needs to play in best position)
- Will Jordan ( Going to be a superstar) or Reiko Ioane (If can recapture his form)
- ALB (Played well throughout 2019)
- Jack Goodhue (If he can stay injury free)
- Sevu Reece (Had a superb 2019)
- Damian McKenzie (Wheels from the back)
- Dane Coles (Still much to offer)
- Atu Moli (So much potential)
- Ofa Tu'ungafasi
- Patrick Tuitupolou
- Dalton Papali'i (Another one with big potential)
- TJP or Folau Fakatava (Looks an outstanding prospect)
- Richie Mo'unga or Josh Ioane (Both deserve game time)
- Ngani Laumape (power off the bench)
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@Bones Codie Taylor was superb in 2017 and 2018 but had a drop off in form this year. He did okay for the Crusaders and played well against Ireland, but apart from that was pretty anonymous for the ABs this year.
He had a poor game (under lots of pressure) against England.
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2nd Five is going to be really interesting. We don't have the combination of hard running, size, and distribution now. I prefer ALB at 13 at test level. These are the contenders:
TJ Faiane
Alex Nankivell
Ngani Laumape
Rob ThompsonWho's going to play 12 for the Crusaders?
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@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
2nd Five is going to be really interesting. We don't have the combination of hard running, size, and distribution now. I prefer ALB at 13 at test level. These are the contenders:
TJ Faiane
Alex Nankivell
Ngani Laumape
Rob ThompsonWho's going to play 12 for the Crusaders?
Havillie?
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@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
2nd Five is going to be really interesting. We don't have the combination of hard running, size, and distribution now. I prefer ALB at 13 at test level. These are the contenders:
TJ Faiane
Alex Nankivell
Ngani Laumape
Rob ThompsonWho's going to play 12 for the Crusaders?
Maybe one of those guys is a contender, as a back up to the long term ALB / Goodhue pairing.
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@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I hope that someone can get a tune out of the Ioane brothers. We could do with them playing at full potential. Imagine a back row of Cane, Ardie and peak Akira
I’d back Jamie Joseph as AB forwards coach to do that for Akira, at least he won’t thrown him under the bus like Hansen did in that press conference.
Had an obvious impact on his NPC. Players are not robots, and some need to be handled differently to get the best out of them.
A little bit of the faith they showed in unproven players like Jacobson, Fifita and Frizzell could have had him humming for the World Cup and filled the six shaped hole in the squad.
They managed him poorly.
Nah they tried the softly softly previously when he was in the squad, and didn't work. So they tried the harsh words. Also didn't work
No they didn't, they tried an approach that screamed we don't trust you. He should have been tried in one of the tier2 games, like everybody else, so he could prove himself.
How they managed him singled him out from everybody else, and with the mismanagement from the Blues overdoing his workload, we ended up where we are now.
It amuses me how he gets stuck with the lazy tag when coach after coach plays him in every single game, for the full 80, and for the Blues he's the last line of defence on our goal line, often getting try saving turnovers deep into game (he gets a lot of practice at the Blues for that). He puts in a huge workload, often to the detriment to his chances at higher honors.
Dreaming bud. He's had several chances. They opened the door again when he last made a training squad and he fucked it up. Again. I'll bet he now turns up in 2020 smelling of pies and KFC.
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@Machpants said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Next year is fookin exciting, new coaching set up - we get to challenge ourselves against World No1 and World Champs South Africa. Can't wait!
is it rugby season again yet?
In the 💯 th test against the Old Foe.
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An area we're sorely lacking in as things stand is grunt from the loose forward group. We have a proliferation of world-class openside flankers we seem to want to shoe-horn in ala Pooper and Smith/Waugh as we lack depth at 6, and as of 2020 we have a dire hole at 8 as well. (Still not dire enough to try Ioane though). Savea is an openside flanker, as of course is Cane. We need a couple of chunky lads in 6 and 8. Maybe Squire comes back and that helps, but we need a Fifita or Frizzell to stake a legit claim and/or a Blackadder to break through in SR. It's noticeable that throughout our game, loose forwards and locks are 'shrinking'. We first see our midget packs get beaten up by SA and England in the U20s and this has started to translate into the senior ranks. We have far too many blindside flankers playing as under sized locks in Super Rugby and even moreso in the NPC, and too few 8s and 6s regularly playing in those positions who have genuine size (around 1.92m+) and bulk. We also have stuff all 2m+ locks coming through (compared to around 10 - 15 years ago when we were flush in that department) and our openside flankers are on average getting smaller I reckon. Look at the emerging talent like Harmon and Kirifi. Harmon replaces another midget in Todd. Dillon Hunt isn't big either.
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@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark no he hasn’t. Try reading the post before scrambling to take cheap shots.
Ah yes, he has. He absolutely 100% has.
A plodder like Whitelock got shots against Tier 2 opposition. Evans, Fifita, Frizzel did too. Instead of trying the same with Akira to find out if he was good enough, and Super Rugby and Lions form suggest he is, he gets character assassinated publicly by the coach. Funnily enough he’s struggled since then.
Similarly, Hansen lies about Luatua not being in contact with them before signing an offshore contract. He also would have filled the six shaped hole in the squad. We have the players, just need to pick them, and if they have flaws coach them out if them.
We are happy to pick a ten with poor defence, for example.
