Planes
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Paul Holmes wrote a decent account of it called Daughters of Erebus .
I still haven't read that, mainly because I was no fan of Holmes when Air NZ was in a dispute with their pilots many years ago. He took a particularly one sided (and ignorant) view.
There are also quite a few people at Air NZ who would rather the whole Erebus topic is not discussed from both management and aviators sides. A bit taboo within the walls.
Strangely I did actually know one of the pilots daughters.
The podcast sounds good though.
Can see why it would be taboo, just a mess all round.
Hard not to see it as a major throwing the flight crew under the bus (so to speak) by A NZ.Interesting fact too is that Sir Edmond Hillary was supposed to be on the flight as the guide, was a late change that lead to someone else taking his spot.
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Paul Holmes wrote a decent account of it called Daughters of Erebus .
I still haven't read that, mainly because I was no fan of Holmes when Air NZ was in a dispute with their pilots many years ago. He took a particularly one sided (and ignorant) view.
There are also quite a few people at Air NZ who would rather the whole Erebus topic is not discussed from both management and aviators sides. A bit taboo within the walls.
Strangely I did actually know one of the pilots daughters.
The podcast sounds good though.
Can see why it would be taboo, just a mess all round.
Hard not to see it as a major throwing the flight crew under the bus (so to speak) by A NZ.Interesting fact too is that Sir Edmond Hillary was supposed to be on the flight as the guide, was a late change that lead to someone else taking his spot.
It was his mate Mulgrew that switched wasn’t it ? He ended up in a relationship with his widow after losing his own wife in a plane crash
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Paul Holmes wrote a decent account of it called Daughters of Erebus .
I still haven't read that, mainly because I was no fan of Holmes when Air NZ was in a dispute with their pilots many years ago. He took a particularly one sided (and ignorant) view.
There are also quite a few people at Air NZ who would rather the whole Erebus topic is not discussed from both management and aviators sides. A bit taboo within the walls.
Strangely I did actually know one of the pilots daughters.
The podcast sounds good though.
Can see why it would be taboo, just a mess all round.
Hard not to see it as a major throwing the flight crew under the bus (so to speak) by A NZ.Interesting fact too is that Sir Edmond Hillary was supposed to be on the flight as the guide, was a late change that lead to someone else taking his spot.
It was his mate Mulgrew that switched wasn’t it ? He ended up in a relationship with his widow after losing his own wife in a plane crash
Beat me to it. Yes, June is his widow
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There are plenty of stories about people who could have been on the flight but weren't for one reason or another. Paul Dykzeul's story is one of those highlighted in White Silence.
Similar with Hillsborough , lots of people who couldn’t make the game and gave their tickets away to people who then got killed have gone on to kill themselves .
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Pretty harrowing listening to the guys who had the fun task of collecting the bodies (parts) from the crash.
The term body grease is used a bit, plus they had to fight off local birds who kept trying to eat the dead.
Sounds like no one knew what they were doing, just something that had never happened before in our history -
Pretty harrowing listening to the guys who had the fun task of collecting the bodies (parts) from the crash.
The term body grease is used a bit, plus they had to fight off local birds who kept trying to eat the dead.
Sounds like no one knew what they were doing, just something that had never happened before in our historyThere was a TV movie made about it a few years back , they saved up all the alcohol that survived the crash and after they got the last body sorted out they drank all the booze .
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Hard not to see it as a major throwing the flight crew under the bus (so to speak) by A NZ.
Yep. Hence the "we don't talk about fight club" attitude. They have changed a lot though over the last 40 years so lessons were learnt all around.
There was a TV movie made about it a few years back ,
"Operation overdue" or something. That was actually pretty good.
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Found it:
"Erebus Operation overdue"
"Within hours 11 ordinary police officers were called to duty to face the formidable Mount Erebus. As the police recovered the victims, an investigation team tried to uncover the mystery of how a jet could fly into a mountain in broad daylight. Did the airline have a secret it wanted to bury? This film tells the story of four New Zealand police officers who went to Antarctica as part of the police operation to recover the victims of the crash. "The bold bit, well, it requires no further comment other than "whiteout".
This is a great quote:
*“There’s nothing worse than the fear of the unknown.
And the known wasn’t particularly good either.”- Stuart Leighton*
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Hard not to see it as a major throwing the flight crew under the bus (so to speak) by A NZ.
Yep. Hence the "we don't talk about fight club" attitude. They have changed a lot though over the last 40 years so lessons were learnt all around.
There was a TV movie made about it a few years back ,
"Operation overdue" or something. That was actually pretty good.
That’s the one , I thought it was really well done too .
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@Machpants said in Planes:
@Snowy was there for the Fairford coming together
Me too. My first thought following the collision was that it was all part of the show. Then I was struck by how quiet it was as I watched the planes and pilots drift to the ground. Very surreal.
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40th anniversary of the Erebus disaster coming up in a couple or weeks or so (28th Nov)
Stuff have released another fine podcast (shame their news site is such shit)
Couple episodes in plus have done a bit of catching up online with the history and facts.
Fuck me hard not to see this as a cover up at the highest level ( Air NZ were 100% govt owned back then and Muldoon was heavily involved)Did all they could to put all blame on the pilot despite the obvious fuck up of changing the programmed course the day before the flight and not informing the flight crew
Bizarre isn't it? Their longform articles are usually great [check out the one about the Christchurch redzone] and their podcasts are really really good.
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These were cool, I think they served on every front in ww2, they weren't a taildragger like most planes of their era either. Just behind and below the cockpit are nacelles with 50 calibre "ma deuce " machine guns , they also came with a 75 mm cannon and between four and eight 50 cals in the nose some later models.
Skip bombing in one looks like fun too
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40th anniversary of the Erebus disaster coming up in a couple or weeks or so (28th Nov)
Stuff have released another fine podcast (shame their news site is such shit)
Couple episodes in plus have done a bit of catching up online with the history and facts.
Fuck me hard not to see this as a cover up at the highest level ( Air NZ were 100% govt owned back then and Muldoon was heavily involved)Did all they could to put all blame on the pilot despite the obvious fuck up of changing the programmed course the day before the flight and not informing the flight crew
Bizarre isn't it? Their longform articles are usually great [check out the one about the Christchurch redzone] and their podcasts are really really good.
Yep totally. Black hands the podcast about our favourite jumper wearing murderer but got away with it, was very good too
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@canefan yep it was on the Doolittle raid . It’s the plane in catch 22 as well.
Later model Lancaster’s only had one pilots seat . The theory being if the pilot got smoked one of the remaining crew could keep it in the air long enough for everyone to bail out and it doubled the pilots they had available if lancs only needed one .
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The theory being if the pilot got smoked
Didn't know that. Inherently stable air-frame design could make that do able. Never considered it.
4 pilots are better than 3, 4 engines are better than 3, 4 hydraulic systems, 4 electric systems, etc, etc. Redundancy is a good thing.
However, needs must.
